UPSB v3
Fundamental Tricks / Charge Reverse Thread
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Date: Sun, Jul 1 2007 02:29:45
Use this topic to discuss the Charge Reverse (note that Charge Normal has a seperate topic).
This trick is basically the reverse motion of the charge. It is performed by moving the finger above the pen, rather tha below it in order to cause a rotation in the opposite direction.
Links:
UCPSB V2 Thread
Video Tutorial by Eso
TurtleSpin Article -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 07:55:55
Why i always failed to do it smoothly? so bad.
Although i can do it,my index finger is keep moving,this make my rev charge looks ugly.
i only can do it smoothly when i palm down,damn!
One thing,the video tutorial of Eso is left hand,i am quite confusing sometimes,because i am right-handed.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 10:49:37
Actually, does Charge Normal in right hand become Charge Rev in left hand with the same fingers?
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 12:00:30
of cause not.
right rev charge is anticlockwise i think.
left rev charge is clockwise.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 13:15:43CODEAlthough i can do it,my index finger is keep moving,this make my rev charge looks ugly.
r u talking about reverse charge between 23?
because if u are then yes i agree it does look ugly with the index moving with the ring finger. I would suggest trying to perform the charge with the index actually on top of the ring finger as if they were stuck together with glue or something so they were moving like 1 synchronized finger.
But if your talking about the reverse charge between 12, i always thought only the index finger was meant to move and 2, 3, 4 were meant to be stationery. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 16:49:50
Just get a mirror and place it next to your monitor.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 19:47:56
For Charge Normal, the bottom finger should be doing most of the work, but the top finger can help in the beginning. Eventually, you won't need to push with the top finger, it will just stabilize.
For Charge Reverse, the top finger should be doing most of the work in the beginning. Again, with more practice, the bottom finger will not to help, it will just stabilize the pen.
Charge Reverse rotation with your palm facing you:- Counter-clockwise for right-handers
- Clockwise for left-handers
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 12:04:25
I am having trouble with getting the movement smooth, it is really really jerky. Any tips or tricks that I could practice which would increase the smoothness. Or is it just a lot more practice needed?
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 12:11:00
just pratice when ur watching tv or somefin..i didn't really concentrate on the pen when i was praticing the charge rev..
so yea..just pratice alot.. -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 04:23:24
Probably no need to focus on practicing. It gets real smooth after a while. My Reverse Charge is smoother then my Charge.
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Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 04:36:40
Try practicing with a drumstick between 1 and 2, thats how I learned it.
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Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 04:43:23QUOTE (Chungy @ Sep 18 2007, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Try practicing with a drumstick between 1 and 2, thats how I learned it.
QFT!!
Thats exactly how i learned the feeling and motion of rev charge. Once you get a feeling for it move to a pen. -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 09:31:44
Drumsticks do work, but I had a different method
This is how I did it.
1. Watch Eso's Charge Reverse Tutorial Video about 3 times.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dvC164pzJ5I
2. Get like a long thick pen and try it out.
3. Move on to shorter pen, and set dates for myself. For example, I do 1 rotation on moday, 3 on tuesday, 7 on wednesday, etc.
But it may take a while, so yeah, if you don't want to waste time, use a drumstick -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 12:17:09
I don't know if you do so, but spin it near to your fingers tip, not exactly the fingers tip.
Well, sometimes it depend on your fingers, like i don't have independent middle and ring fingers, so doing charges with those fingers are rather not smooth or ugly, but i believe with more practices, it will eventually get better(btw, i seldom practise charges...lol). My best charge is Charge 12 Reverse. -
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 04:57:20
quick questions, how much do u move the middle finger? and where do u bend it or should it fairly straight? also, do u hold it the same way as a charge?
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Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 04:59:43
If you are doing a Charge Reverse 23, then you move the middle finger about as much as you would your ring finger in Charge Normal 23, but in the other direction. The middle finger moves down and out for the first 0.5 rotation, then in and down slightly to get back to the original position. The pen is held the same way, just different finger to push with.
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Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 05:08:03
...also, when you are learning charge rev you will tend to bend the top finger but with practice you should be able to do charge rev and keep your finger straight instead of bending it. So yeah...dont worry about if you bend your middle finger in a charge rev 23 for the time being until you can get the proper motion.
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Date: Mon, Nov 12 2007 04:14:03
omfg this trick is soooo annoying....
i learned charge normal first, and im so used to doing it to the point wer i cant learn charge reverse...
i've tried everything....
1) palm up
2) palm down
3) palm sideways
4) watched eso's tut
5) i practice with any free time i have, and no such luck
But, i can do both charge reverse/normal on my left hand(im a right-hand spinner), but thats only becuz i learned charge reverse b4 i learned charge normal
this trick officially hates me -
Date: Mon, Nov 12 2007 16:54:46
I would "walk" the pen around (with your other hand) in the motion of the charge reverse.
Your fingers will learn the motion and feeling.
it worked for me -
Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 19:13:03
I watched Eso's tut and I still can't get this. Whenever I try to do a reverse charge my fingers automatically do a regular charge.
arhoaogdf c∫å¨D! -
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 07:38:17
Make sure you go very slowly, and only aim for 1 rotation in the beginning, once you get that aim for more. Also try using a heavier pen or drumstick until you get it. his really helps, and is how i learnt it.
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Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 03:56:25
alright, thanks for the tip. I'll try it out.
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Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 06:16:36QUOTE (Kenzio @ Sep 16 2007, 02:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why i always failed to do it smoothly? so bad.
Although i can do it,my index finger is keep moving,this make my rev charge looks ugly.
i only can do it smoothly when i palm down,damn!
One thing,the video tutorial of Eso is left hand,i am quite confusing sometimes,because i am right-handed.
I have the opposite problem
I can do it palm sideways but not down... -
Date: Sat, Dec 22 2007 02:06:50
i'm trying to learn the charge reverse (yeah, kinda avoided this trick for awhile but i must face my dragons...or was it demons, don't remember which one
) and is it okay that i have the center of gravity on the inside of my hand
when i do that, i feel that there is more momentum in teh pen so that it can spin more circlely
is this bad? should i get out of this habit now?
if i do a continuous charge reverse with the cog inside, i feel that the pen will continue to shift more and more until i drop it -
Date: Wed, Jan 23 2008 17:22:44
right handed charge reverse will go clockwise or counter clockwise? cuz it doesn't look quite normal when i did normal charge going counter clockwise.
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Date: Wed, Jan 23 2008 20:13:20QUOTE (Dredre14 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>right handed charge reverse will go clockwise or counter clockwise? cuz it doesn't look quite normal when i did normal charge going counter clockwise.
Charge Rev for righties is CCW. It just looks weird because you're not used to seeing your hand doing it. As long as you have a somewhat circular motion going, eventually your Charge Rev will round out and become more and more circular and look more natural. -
Date: Sun, Feb 17 2008 11:00:28
Knowing sonic fall may help with reverse charge, because you're basically doing a 0.5 reverse charge when doing a sonic fall.
I'm currently learning reverse charge myself. I'm able to do 2-4 revs before it slips out of my hand or I accidentally do a sonic fall ._. Any tips? -
Date: Sun, Feb 17 2008 13:14:32
imo a charge reverse is a sonic revese still, for example: sonic reverse 12-12
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Date: Thu, Feb 21 2008 05:46:45
Eso's tutorial said to use the see saw method then outstretch my fingers. When I outstretch them my pen spin clockwise just like a normal charge. I don't see how to make it spin counter by outstretching my fingers.
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Date: Thu, Feb 21 2008 06:15:20
(right hand, doing a charge or rev charge in the 12 slot, with palm sideways)
well, when you're outstretching it for a normal charge, you're moving your middle finger more to the right which will start that clockwise motion
but when you're doing a rev charge, you outstretch your hand but move the index finger further to the right than the middle finger
if it helps, throw in a little wrist motion into the rev charge and see if that ccw circular motion gets going
then if that works, just start reducing the wrist motion little by little until it's unnoticable -
Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 00:13:02
I find this trick so harD! I wanna learn this so i can do sonic fall.. I always seem to end up doing a normal charge or the see saw movement xD
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Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 00:17:01QUOTE (Viper-X @ Mar 1 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I find this trick so harD! I wanna learn this so i can do sonic fall.. I always seem to end up doing a normal charge or the see saw movement xD
the seesaw motion is a trick, it's called tipped charge
try moving your hand, and try with the end of the pen, at the end of your fingers, like you're doing an infinity -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 03:29:31
can't do this, i just end up doing what looks like a new penspinner trying to do reg charge except alot worse 
QUOTE (PSingvideogamer @ Dec 20 2007, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have the opposite problem
I can do it palm sideways but not down...
you should teach me how to do charge reverse -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 05:18:55QUOTE (Cheap_Indian @ Nov 27 2007, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I watched Eso's tut and I still can't get this. Whenever I try to do a reverse charge my fingers automatically do a regular charge. arhoaogdf c∫å¨D!
i learned it by starting doing it like rllllllly slow...like so slow u would never be able to tell it was a charge at all.....but thats just me.. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 05:24:56QUOTE (cRzYfLyInAzN @ Mar 3 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> can't do this, i just end up doing what looks like a new penspinner trying to do reg charge except alot worse
you should teach me how to do charge reverse
ya.....you just start by trying to wiggle your hand and manage to get at least 1 rotation....
as you get the feel of it, you'll be able to do it without big hand movements, but with just finger movements instead.
start by trying out 1 rotation at a time, and gradually increasing it...
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i'm not helping am i?..........
go check eso's tutorials....he'll explain them in-depth.....
eso ftw
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Date: Fri, Apr 18 2008 15:04:46QUOTE (Cheap_Indian @ Nov 27 2007, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I watched Eso's tut and I still can't get this. Whenever I try to do a reverse charge my fingers automatically do a regular charge. arhoaogdf c∫å¨D!
Thats exactly what happens to me u.u... -
Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 11:34:21
argh, im having trouble doing charge rev too x_x i want to learn it for sonic rev
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 20:20:28
To start, you can bend all your fingers, you will be able to bend only the index soon
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 17:17:27
Ok, so I can do the charge with all fingers, but I can't seem to send it in the erverse direction because it forces my fingers used in the charge to move the pen in the normal direction.
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Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 14:20:35
Okay, let's try another thing; practice to make circles counterclokvise with your middle. The try to charge with the same move.
I'l remember you noob, you don't need the sonics and chargfes rev for now. You can wait 2-3 months, or more if you want. Practice you normal before. -
Date: Wed, May 7 2008 03:23:45
It's weird...I never had to really practise charge rev, I could just do it.
But only in 12, I'm gonna have to start practising other slots -
Date: Wed, May 7 2008 23:52:02QUOTE (Missle_Z @ May 6 2008, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's weird...I never had to really practise charge rev, I could just do it.
But only in 12, I'm gonna have to start practising other slots
I can somewhat do the charge reverse in 12 but not in any other fingers as well -
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 17:38:17
when you charge reverse, the finger to the left of your pen moves up and down.....when i do it in slot 12, my index just moves up and down because i have it mastered...
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Date: Thu, Jul 3 2008 06:22:22
I am also trying to learn charge rev 12, but it seems that the middle finger always move T_T...
I tried to hold the middle still, but not possible. How do you guys do to get index move only (to make charge rev)? -
Date: Fri, Jul 4 2008 02:21:20QUOTE (NaDa @ Jul 3 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It doesn't really matter if you can't do over 5 revs. When are you going to charge that long at once in a combo?
for practicing
, i know i wont be satisfied if i only can do 5 revs in a normal charge. this is how i treated fundamentals . master it!
and i know it'll make my sonic rev much better (i still suck at it... )
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Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 04:06:36
i finally "mastered" the charge rev between 12 and its alright between 34 but is it just me but once u learn the charge rev the normal charge seems a little bit harder? like swtiching between charge norm and charge rev
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Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 16:20:17
>.< How do I get out of the normal Charge habit? (2-3 Charge. :\)
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Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 04:49:50
at first, it seemed almost impossible but as i practiced it got better.
i just used my arm/hand alot and try to do it face down or something
but indeed, its a tricky trick to master -
Date: Fri, Aug 15 2008 05:03:32
Agh! I started working on this fundamental this morning because I figured I was missing out on quite a few tricks by not knowing it. I can only manage to get like 3 revolutions before it goes 2d or turns into normal charge haha.
I followed the advice a few pages back that said to hold my bottom finger. That concept actually does help quite a bit. -
Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 01:04:36
I just kinda momorized the movement with the middle finger while doing normal charge 12 and repeated with the index. Strangely, it worked on the first try but i still can't do more than 4 rotations .-.
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Date: Sat, Aug 16 2008 23:08:12
When i do the charge in 23, i move my ring finger to rotate the pen so when i charge reverse i move my middle finger instead.
I'm still trying to get it smooth right now. -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 08:44:45
i find its easier to do charge rev palm down, if that helps anyone whos strugling
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Date: Sat, Sep 13 2008 05:03:25
I did try it palm down, but it slipped after 2 revolutions -.-
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Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 02:02:48
Wow, I CANT do charge rev upside down, If ind it easier with your fingers pointing downa nd gravity helpuing you =] try that =D
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Date: Fri, Sep 19 2008 20:53:43
Practice Practice practice, just remember, its easier than a normal charge ;D cuz you know what it should look like already =D
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Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 18:31:06
I can do charge reverse with my palm facing me, but I'm having trouble doing it palm down. Any advice?
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:44:40
I can only get a quarter of a revolution..
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:48:04QUOTE (Dt654 @ Sep 25 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can only get a quarter of a revolution..
I reccomend the thumb flap method because I''m going to guess that you dont ahve enough momentum.
Try using a longer pen, or a drum stick.
a raggity pen made out of several pens taped together to make a makesift baton may help you see how the motion looks and getting it down with a long pen may give you the drive to continue to learn new tricks =]its caleld the psing addiction ;D -
Date: Tue, Sep 30 2008 20:30:35QUOTE (Chungy @ Sep 18 2007, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Try practicing with a drumstick between 1 and 2, thats how I learned it.
This worked well for me since I was able to see the movement better. Makes me wonder if I should just learn all my tricks with a drumstick -
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 01:35:57
Diffenetly not. Drumsticks help for learning concepts, but if your g oing to learn EVERY trick on a drumstick you might as well be a baton twirler =]
Drumsticks wont improve more difficult tricks where you already get the concept but its jsut practice that is needed. -
Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 11:11:56
Hey,
I was just wondering if there's any real point in learning Charge Rev 34, because the only trick I can think of that uses this is Reverse Warped Sonic 34-23. -
Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 12:32:35QUOTE (Ogarathe @ Oct 17 2008, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey,
I was just wondering if there's any real point in learning Charge Rev 34, because the only trick I can think of that uses this is Reverse Warped Sonic 34-23.
Loads:
Rev Twisted Sonic
Rev Sonic - not that much though
Rev Shadow
Rev Warped Sonic
Rev Inv Shadow/ Sonic/ Twisted Sonic
Rev Devil's Sonic
Rev Devils Shadow....
Almost all the Rev's........
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Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 22:07:12QUOTE (Outsmash @ Oct 17 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Loads:
Rev Twisted Sonic
Rev Sonic - not that much though
Rev Shadow
Rev Warped Sonic
Rev Inv Shadow/ Sonic/ Twisted Sonic
Rev Devil's Sonic
Rev Devils Shadow....
Almost all the Rev's........
Uhm.. Rev Sonics into what? 45? -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 02:02:45QUOTE (Ogarathe @ Oct 17 2008, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey,
I was just wondering if there's any real point in learning Charge Rev 34, because the only trick I can think of that uses this is Reverse Warped Sonic 34-23.
Yes, you definitely SHOULD learn Charge Reverse because Sonic Reverse, Twisted Sonic Reverse, Inverse twisted sonic, and lots of other tricks use this. -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 02:15:27QUOTE (FrozenIce @ Oct 18 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes, you definitely SHOULD learn Charge Reverse because Sonic Reverse, Twisted Sonic Reverse, Inverse twisted sonic, and lots of other tricks use this.
I can already do Charge Reverse in 12 and 23. I specifically said.. in 34 slot.. And seeing as you CAN'T do a Twisted Sonic Reverse 34-45, I was asking if there was a real point in learning Charge Rev in 34.. -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 02:31:05QUOTE (Ogarathe @ Oct 17 2008, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can already do Charge Reverse in 12 and 23. I specifically said.. in 34 slot.. And seeing as you CAN'T do a Twisted Sonic Reverse 34-45, I was asking if there was a real point in learning Charge Rev in 34..
Yes, inverse twisted sonic 34-23 requires you to know Charge REVERSE 34. -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 02:53:55QUOTE (FrozenIce @ Oct 18 2008, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes, inverse twisted sonic 34-23 requires you to know Charge 34.
Sigh.. you do realise this thread is Charge -->REVERSE<--, right? -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 04:27:22QUOTE (Ogarathe @ Oct 17 2008, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sigh.. you do realise this thread is Charge -->REVERSE<--, right?
Sorry...I meant Charge REVERSE 34...Yes, Inverse twisted Sonic 34-23 and Shadow Reverse 34-34 requires you to know Charge Reverse.
Again, I'm sorry about the mistake...I guess I need to reread my posts before I post. -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 04:37:54QUOTE (FrozenIce @ Oct 18 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry...I meant Charge REVERSE 34...Yes, Inverse twisted Sonic 34-23 and Shadow Reverse 34-34 requires you to know Charge Reverse.
Again, I'm sorry about the mistake...I guess I need to reread my posts before I post.
Er.. I thought Inverse Twisted Sonic 34-23 is Charge 34-34 > Pass 34-23?
You really should re-read your posts. -
Date: Fri, Oct 24 2008 22:01:08
Is it normal for, like the whole hand moves when one is sill a beginner in reverse charge?
If so... I'm improving then!!! -
Date: Mon, Dec 15 2008 12:52:14
how come when I tried to do a charge, I always do the charge reverse?, it's moving away from me, I mean not like the normal charge, help me, lol
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Date: Tue, Dec 16 2008 01:51:42QUOTE (RedSerpenT @ Dec 15 2008, 04:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how come when I tried to do a charge, I always do the charge reverse?, it's moving away from me, I mean not like the normal charge, help me, lol
If you're trying to learn Charge Normal, use the pressure method. Personally, I feel that Charge Normal is easier to learn than Charge Reverse.
Take a look at Eso's tutorial:
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Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:15:39
there's absolutely wrong with my finger, could you tell me the fingers position? (index/middle/ring finger)
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Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 21:40:27QUOTE (RedSerpenT @ Dec 17 2008, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>there's absolutely wrong with my finger, could you tell me the fingers position? (index/middle/ring finger)
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Can you clarify so I can help you?
Thanks. -
Date: Thu, Jan 1 2009 02:22:04
looks like my index finger always stuck with my middle finger, so I can't do the charge (normal charge), it won't get straight, my index finger always waving when I'm doing the charge
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Date: Thu, Jan 1 2009 02:27:22QUOTE (RedSerpenT @ Dec 31 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>looks like my index finger always stuck with my middle finger, so I can't do the charge (normal charge), it won't get straight, my index finger always waving when I'm doing the charge
Practice by holding your index finger with your other hand. Eventually the motion will become natural and you'll be able to do it.
Hope this helps
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Date: Sat, Jan 17 2009 16:18:22
lol...
I want to say a serious thing that I can't do charge rev fluently although I can do almost kinds of sonic and their reverse[size="4"][/size]
It's so stupid, isn't it -
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 01:33:59QUOTE (Nam Dang @ Jan 18 2009, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol...
I want to say a serious thing that I can't do charge rev fluently although I can do almost kinds of sonic and their reverse[size="4"][/size]
It's so stupid, isn't it
Agree lmao
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Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 04:57:17
For charge reverse when i first started learning it in my 2-3 i pushed the pen with my 1 so it would help guide it, so ya try this method.
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Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 05:44:53
i kinda got the hang of it already and its my 4th day doing it lol. but how i do it is weird i do it face down and tape my middle, ring and pinky toghter. weird but works, im hoping when i get better i dont need to use the tape.
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Date: Tue, Feb 17 2009 16:40:31
I can do rev charge for about 4 seconds, but then it slips out of the front of my fingers! (in 12). Can anyone give me tips for the pen to not slip away??
Also, how useful is rev charge 34?
thanks in advance! -
Date: Fri, Feb 20 2009 11:10:15
Thanks for the tutorials. Still learning the basics.
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Date: Mon, Mar 2 2009 08:28:27
I my school, lots of people mixed normal and reverse. They do reverse easily but I somehow find it hard.
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Date: Mon, Mar 2 2009 21:18:06
It is harder to perform a Charge Reverse in 23 and in 34 then 12!!
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Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 22:40:50
i need help to learn this trick, it always seems to elude me and all my classmates can do it
any help would be gladly welcomed -
Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 01:14:54QUOTE (FLASHzer007 @ Mar 19 2009, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i need help to learn this trick, it always seems to elude me and all my classmates can do it
any help would be gladly welcomed
First of all, we need more information on why you are having trouble performing this trick to give you specific help :/
But as for general help, try to incorporate hand movement to add beginning momentum to give the charge a conical shape.
So curl your fingers in a bit, then extend to begin the charge reverse and practice from there.
It is very frustrating to get it at first, but practice is really the only way to learn any new tricks.
Also learning sonic reverse might help. -
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 17:12:34
for me it's charge reverse is easier than the normal charge, i don't know why but that's how it works for me
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Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 09:26:33QUOTE (G.lanz @ Feb 18 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can do rev charge for about 4 seconds, but then it slips out of the front of my fingers! (in 12). Can anyone give me tips for the pen to not slip away??
Also, how useful is rev charge 34?
thanks in advance!
with rev charge 34 u could do a warped sonic rise -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 11:18:29QUOTE (mr phua sy @ Mar 28 2009, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>with rev charge 34 u could do a warped sonic rise
i thought rev warped sonic rise? lol -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 11:20:01QUOTE (Metalm3 @ Mar 28 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i thought rev warped sonic rise? lol
yes ... -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 11:23:24
I find it easier to do this trick than the charge normal, and I think it's strange..
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Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 10:06:54
what i do is
learn sonic first
then try to do the sonic, but don't pass is to the other finger but catch it again in the same finger(like, do sonic 23 but catch it in 23)
try for 1 time, then 2, then 3 and 4, when you get to 5, try to do as many as you can -
Date: Fri, May 1 2009 00:53:36QUOTE (marcelc @ Apr 26 2009, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what i do is
learn sonic first
then try to do the sonic, but don't pass is to the other finger but catch it again in the same finger(like, do sonic 23 but catch it in 23)
try for 1 time, then 2, then 3 and 4, when you get to 5, try to do as many as you can
Isn't that Pseudo Sonic(unofficial name I think)? But how is it related to Charge rev?
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 11:50:55QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 1 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Isn't that Pseudo Sonic(unofficial name I think)? But how is it related to Charge rev?
but if it was an unofficial name why did upsb wiki used the exact same name?and yes,w is it related to charge rev -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 11:55:13QUOTE (phua sy @ May 5 2009, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but if it was an unofficial name why did upsb wiki used the exact same name?and yes,w is it related to charge rev
=.= I only said I think that it was an unofficial name. There's a question mark at the end if you've noticed. And how is it related to Charge Rev...? Unless ur saying Pseudo Sonic reverse, I don't see the link. XD -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:05:07QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 5 2009, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>=.= I only said I think that it was an unofficial name. There's a question mark at the end if you've noticed. And how is it related to Charge Rev...? Unless ur saying Pseudo Sonic reverse, I don't see the link. XD
yes, i noticed the qn mark obvious i am nt blind and when u said think it was an unofficial name, i ans that qn the last post dude
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:08:51QUOTE (phua sy @ May 5 2009, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yes, i noticed the qn mark obvious i am nt blind and when u said think it was an unofficial name. i ans ur qn the last post dude
I didn't see your answer, unless you're referring to that "yes, w is it related to charge rev." I intepreted it as yes, with is it related to charge rev. So how is it related? ... -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:11:16QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 5 2009, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I didn't see your answer, unless you're referring to that "yes, w is it related to charge rev." I intepreted it as yes, with is it related to charge rev. So how is it related? ...
edited.i was answering another qn -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:14:24QUOTE (phua sy @ May 5 2009, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>edited.i was answering another qn
Which question? -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:17:04QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 5 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Which question?
actually it wasnt a qn set by u meant to be answered.i answered jus to clear ur doubts. -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:18:52QUOTE (phua sy @ May 5 2009, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>actually it wasnt a qn set by u meant to be answered.i answered jus to clear ur doubts.
Doubts? Can quote? lol -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:47:17QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 1 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Isn't that Pseudo Sonic(unofficial name I think)? But how is it related to Charge rev?
here u go ''unofficial name i think '' -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:54:10QUOTE (phua sy @ May 5 2009, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>here u go ''unofficial name i think ''
Lol, I see ^^. Then what do you mean "yes, w is it related to charge rev"? If you're only answering this "Isn't that Pseudo Sonic(unofficial name I think)?", then what's with the charge reverse there? lol -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 13:21:31QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 5 2009, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lol, I see ^^. Then what do you mean "yes, w is it related to charge rev"? If you're only answering this "Isn't that Pseudo Sonic(unofficial name I think)?", then what's with the charge reverse there? lol
typo error it was suppose to be how instead of a w
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 13:39:20QUOTE (phua sy @ May 5 2009, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>typo error it was suppose to be how instead of a w
Oh I see. That's what made me confuse.
And I still don't get Marc's point.
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 14:35:17
i tink u are rite :he is suppose to say reverse pseudo sonic instead
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Date: Fri, May 8 2009 02:18:27
I decided i learn this first before i learn reverse sonic which I got down about half of it, just the circular motion doesn't seem right.
When I do the charge reverse, I can barely get it to move the opposite way, note that i'm right handed. Instead, it always turns out charge normal. My finger just can't make that kind of motion for some strange reason and it puts strain on my fingers and feels a bit awkward. -
Date: Fri, May 8 2009 03:59:25QUOTE (NoSolutioN @ May 7 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I decided i learn this first before i learn reverse sonic which I got down about half of it, just the circular motion doesn't seem right.
When I do the charge reverse, I can barely get it to move the opposite way, note that i'm right handed. Instead, it always turns out charge normal. My finger just can't make that kind of motion for some strange reason and it puts strain on my fingers and feels a bit awkward.
try to only move ur index finger
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Date: Fri, May 8 2009 12:09:05QUOTE (NoobishPenspinner @ May 7 2009, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>try to only move ur index finger
and keep practicing
That's what i'm trying, however i bend my finger awkwardly and it doesn't rotate circular enough :/
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Date: Fri, May 8 2009 14:16:54
then how about not using the fingers, but the hand?
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Date: Mon, May 11 2009 09:04:28
hey guys i have a problem with this i cant do the inverse a COG...
i am using a bictory mod as my pen
i know the motion but i cant do it fast and at COG... how do i improve? i can only do it SLOWLY at the end of the pen, where 3/4 of the pen is on the palm side of my right hand -
Date: Sat, May 16 2009 07:35:22
im confuzed because i charge normal with my index finger moving not my middle when i do a 12 charge
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Date: Sat, May 16 2009 09:08:32QUOTE (EleteN00b @ May 16 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im confuzed because i charge normal with my index finger moving not my middle when i do a 12 charge
There's nothing wrong with which finger(s) you use to execute the circular motion. As long as your pen is moving in a circular motion, it's called charge, no matter how you do it.
And that belongs to the Charge thread.
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Date: Sun, May 24 2009 08:42:17
i can do 12
but cant do a charge reverse on the other finger XD -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 08:53:51QUOTE (marcelc @ May 24 2009, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i can do 12
but cant do a charge reverse on the other finger XD
practice, pratice! AND PRACTICE!! -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 09:03:27
yea, i will haha
but usually i get stress out and do another trick instead o.O -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 14:22:17QUOTE (marcelc @ May 24 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but usually i get stress out and do another trick instead o.O
Yea, me too.
Now i can do reverse sonic 12>23 and 23>34 but i still can't reverse charge >.< -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 14:38:44QUOTE (Desigaar @ May 24 2009, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yea, me too.
Now i can do reverse sonic 12>23 and 23>34 but i still can't reverse charge >.<
Lol. You'll be able to do Charge Reverse real soon if you keep on working on it, since you can do Sonic Reverse well.
Btw, Monk owns because your signature pwns. ^^ -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 15:58:22
lol what the heck. i only learnt this trick after 4 months of psing cause i thought it was useless..
oh yeah what i did was using hand movement to make the charge rev. then it gets easy. i mastered it in like 30 mins -
Date: Mon, May 25 2009 09:56:47QUOTE (Sian_ing @ May 24 2009, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol what the heck. i only learnt this trick after 4 months of psing cause i thought it was useless..
oh yeah what i did was using hand movement to make the charge rev. then it gets easy. i mastered it in like 30 mins
fast.. -
Date: Mon, Jun 1 2009 13:43:01
i still can't get reverse charge
but i can do rev sonic well --a
but i began to do charge on 23 though -
Date: Mon, Jun 15 2009 21:28:10
I can do charge pretty well but the reverse charge, for me, is next to impossible. I always end up just sort of flapping the pen in a side to side motion instead of making it rotate. Do I just need to practice more?
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Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 19:49:04
Charge reverse was really hard for me, then one day it just clicked. The see-saw method did not work for me. It is all in the "start" Hold the pen in 1-2 and slightly bend your index, then quickly straighten your index finger and the pen should start in its correct rotation.
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Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 06:14:31
clay's method isn't working for me
I'm trying and trying. seesaw, using my hand, using momentum, but nothing seems to be working. It's like something is inhibiting the pen from spin in the reverse and eventually after my fingers sputter, the trick turns into a regular charge.
I can't do any revolutions.
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Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 17:09:53
clay's method are quite if not exactly like the Sonic rev push.
I didn't get the see-saw method, it never worked for me. After learning the Sonic Rev I tried to adapt the push to the charge rev and I were able to pull out at least 4 revolutions.
If for example you're doing the charge 12, after the push, instead of sending it to the 23 slot like you would in a Sonic Rev you keep the middle finger still and take the index finger back after the push. That is enough to generate one revolution. Then it's just practice.
So if you know the push for Sonic Rev, it will be easier. -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 01:15:32
For my sonic rev, I just let gravity pull the pen down from 12-23 and it looks like a see saw. It's not really a circular motion
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 07:22:46
Maybe watch Eso's tutorial, IIRC he uses the same push as clay and I stated. It's just about the bending the index and then straighten it out to get half of the revolution.
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Date: Sun, Nov 29 2009 01:10:53
Charge Rev looks really nice in a combo, but i still cant get it! >.<
I can do a Sonic Rev but i cant seem to do a continuous Charge Rev (i can do about 1 or 2 revolutions) -
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 14:03:52
I can only do it if i move my wrist slightly and that looks really bad in combos.
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Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 19:26:10
For me it took realizing that for Charge reg I hold my 1 finger still and used 2 to cause the motion (like using 1 as a point to pivot on, it stays still).
For Charge reverse, 2 stays still and 1 causes the motion. Maybe trying that will help some people? -
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 06:10:31
I can only do reverse charge with palm down
weird...... x.x -
Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 18:00:27QUOTE (Flashy and Quota @ Sep 17 2007, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Probably no need to focus on practicing. It gets real smooth after a while. My Reverse Charge is smoother then my Charge.
Yeah same here, I started off learning charge reverse. That was when I had no idea of penspinning I was just trying to copy my friend, I didn't think it mattered which direction it was spinning with. Then when I got into PSing took me a long time to get normal Charge >.> -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 04:23:55
It's probably best to learn the charge and the charge reverse early in order to prepare for the more advanced tricks. For normal charge, use the middle finger to push, and for charge reverse, use the index finger.
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Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 15:28:01
it is not hard if you do not learned charge before ...
my friend learned charge reverse before charge and he can now do both
however,i learned charge before reverse and now i find it is much harder than normal
i can only do it with my arm "shaking"
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 00:57:30
I can't get the bloody rev charge!
Everyone is saying that for the charge (12) you move 2, but i move 1 and i do it fine. The weird thing is i only move the top for 12, not the others.
I watched Eso's tutorial and can get the single rev charge every once in a while, but it turns around into the charge if i go for more than one revolution.
Is this because i use the same finger for both the charge and rev charge? I've tried doing the charge with 2, but i just cant make it happen. I've never struggled this much with a new trick, i usually learn them by the end of the day and it's been two weeks. Any tips? -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 00:13:53QUOTE (Anderfreeb @ Feb 11 2010, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can't get the bloody rev charge!
Everyone is saying that for the charge (12) you move 2, but i move 1 and i do it fine. The weird thing is i only move the top for 12, not the others.
I watched Eso's tutorial and can get the single rev charge every once in a while, but it turns around into the charge if i go for more than one revolution.
Is this because i use the same finger for both the charge and rev charge? I've tried doing the charge with 2, but i just cant make it happen. I've never struggled this much with a new trick, i usually learn them by the end of the day and it's been two weeks. Any tips?
Step 1) Get a V8
Step 2) Watch some television
Step 3) Go to bed and allow your fingers to get some rest.
Now, when you're ready, you can try again, calmly. Now, not to be rude, but are you sure that when you move your index finger, you're performing the normal charge? Most, if not all pen spinners don't do that. And if you can upload a video, that'd be great . And the charge and charge reverse use opposite fingers. Since you use ur index for charge normal, perhaps u can use middle finger for charge reverse
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Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 20:26:54QUOTE (CDN-izedAZN @ Feb 12 2010, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Step 1) Get a V8
Step 2) Watch some television
Step 3) Go to bed and allow your fingers to get some rest.
Now, when you're ready, you can try again, calmly. Now, not to be rude, but are you sure that when you move your index finger, you're performing the normal charge? Most, if not all pen spinners don't do that. And if you can upload a video, that'd be great . And the charge and charge reverse use opposite fingers. Since you use ur index for charge normal, perhaps u can use middle finger for charge reverse
First off, I took the three steps. Secondly, I took a video, and from the different angle, I saw that for the charge 12, I occasionally switch between moving 1 and moving 2. I can now alternate between the two, although I can't use the top for 34 or 23. Go figure. Knowing this has somehow given me an epiphany for the charge reverse and I am actually progressing again. Thanks for the tip. -
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 22:25:29
How do u guys learn the charge reverse once you've learned the charge normal? HELP!!!! T.T
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 23:39:26QUOTE (RdHg @ Feb 24 2010, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How do u guys learn the charge reverse once you've learned the charge normal? HELP!!!! T.T
you practice we all did it dont worry just watch a ton of tutorial videos and try to understand how to move your fingers.
when i leanred charge rev i tried to focus on how you almost push the pen back using your index finger.
but yah just practice
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Date: Thu, Feb 25 2010 00:09:09
lol i haave the opposite problem of yours, i can do charge reverse but not normal >_<
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Date: Thu, Apr 22 2010 12:48:09
I can't grow out of charge normal
i know how to do reverse charge, but after about, say 10 rotations, it straightens and turns into normal charge ==
i can do sonic reverse, and i can do charge rev perfectly palms down. == but noe right side up ==