UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Tipped Sonic
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Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 05:17:49
I've been trying to get this move down, but i just can't seem to make it look good. It keeps on slipping when it gets to my pinky (well, when i'm doing the tipped sonic fall). Some people find this trick to be fairly easy, but i dont' see how. And does the tipped sonic remind you of when a person kinda just stumbled on the stairs...i dunno, i just thought that it looked like that right now
so tips and tutorials would be appreciated
i watched eso's tutorial as that is where i go for every new trick that i learn, but i just want more advice on it because that video didn't go into much detail (not that i know if the trick has too much detail or not) compared to how in depth he goes into a trick when teaching other tricks -
Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 05:31:57
Well...all you can do is practice
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Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 05:37:41QUOTE (NoRice4U @ Dec 1 2007, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well...all you can do is practice
well...yes, but advice will help me learn it faster
i'll keep on practicing, but i'll still wait for tips since sometimes one thing can clear up a whole confusion of things for me
i tend to learn in a kind of wierd way... -
Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 05:41:16
Maybe posting a video of you trying to learn it, so people can give feedback? Instead of just explaining how your doing it.
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Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 05:58:06
Does anyone know for sure if Tipped Sonic needs to include the thumb?
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Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 07:11:11
i don't know, but i don't think so.. tipped sonic is basically sonic without charge motion, but see-sawish action.
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Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 14:28:33
That's what I think. Eso's video tutorial should be extended with non-thumb versions, since non-thumb Reverses are a lot easier.
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Date: Sat, Dec 1 2007 20:54:58
I've always thought of tipped more as a modifier that takes away the charge motion from tricks, like a tipped sonic just being a sonic that goes up and down without any circular motions. This means it can be executed between any fingers, not just with the thumb. This would also make it possible to do tricks like Inv Tipped Sonic Clip/Tipped Moonwalk Sonic, which are much harder to execute with circular rotations.
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Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 00:00:08QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 1 2007, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Does anyone know for sure if Tipped Sonic needs to include the thumb?
It doesn't need to include the thumb. I think a lot of people also don't realize that when the tipped sonic goes down the hand, it's a tipped sonic reverse. The normal, inverse, and inverse reverse can also all be done, although they're not as easy. -
Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 00:20:31QUOTE (NoRice4U @ Dec 1 2007, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Maybe posting a video of you trying to learn it, so people can give feedback? Instead of just explaining how your doing it.
i dont 'have access to a camera that will link up to my computer so i can't put up any videos >.<QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 1 2007, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Does anyone know for sure if Tipped Sonic needs to include the thumb?
if it doesn't include the thumb, then would it not start at teh t1 slot, and then would it just start at teh 12 slot
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Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 00:25:14
I was wondering why Normal would go down the hand, as Eso taught it. I've not looked into Tipped Sonic as it was originally planned, but if we are to use "Tipped" as a modifier, it may as well follow the directions of Sonic.
Inverse Tipped Sonic Normal 23-12 and Reverse 12-23 are easy enough, but it would take a lot of work to get a working Inverse Tipped Sonic Normal 34-23 and Reverse 23-34. My ring finger just does not want to pull back enough without taking the pinky finger with it. >_<
Anyone know who first started using Tipped Sonic as a trick? -
Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 00:46:15QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 1 2007, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I was wondering why Normal would go down the hand, as Eso taught it. I've not looked into Tipped Sonic as it was originally planned, but if we are to use "Tipped" as a modifier, it may as well follow the directions of Sonic.
Inverse Tipped Sonic Normal 23-12 and Reverse 12-23 are easy enough, but it would take a lot of work to get a working Inverse Tipped Sonic Normal 34-23 and Reverse 23-34. My ring finger just does not want to pull back enough without taking the pinky finger with it. >_<
Anyone know who first started using Tipped Sonic as a trick?
my ring finger always messes my pinky up as they seem to be just stuck together >.<
um as for who first started using it...i was looking around in the wiki and through a series of events, i went to the old upsb and read this topic about how some guy was wondering what this trick that koreans always did in their videos was called, which then lead to the naming of it as the tipped sonic
so i dunno who actually invented it, but i'm guessing it was some korean
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Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 02:33:53
Yeah, that's as far as I know about it too, I was hoping someone would know who that Korean was.
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Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 17:16:58
Lol well I can do it but I can't get any rocking sorta motion. I don't really care for the trick that much though.
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Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 18:19:35QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 1 2007, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I was wondering why Normal would go down the hand, as Eso taught it. I've not looked into Tipped Sonic as it was originally planned, but if we are to use "Tipped" as a modifier, it may as well follow the directions of Sonic.
Look at my video again. I labeled it as Tipped Sonic Reverse inside the video. I only labeled it as Tipped Sonic [Normal] in the Youtube video. I could change that.
JC, exactly what kind of detail are you looking for? I thought I went over the details on how to do it. If you're wondering about the slippage, then you're simply not curling your ring finger in enough. Either that or you just haven't practiced enough. Often times there are very subtle movements that I simply cannot explain and you can only achieve them through rigorous practice. -
Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 20:24:48QUOTE (Eso @ Dec 2 2007, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Look at my video again. I labeled it as Tipped Sonic Reverse inside the video. I only labeled it as Tipped Sonic [Normal] in the Youtube video. I could change that.
JC, exactly what kind of detail are you looking for? I thought I went over the details on how to do it. If you're wondering about the slippage, then you're simply not curling your ring finger in enough. Either that or you just haven't practiced enough. Often times there are very subtle movements that I simply cannot explain and you can only achieve them through rigorous practice.
well, it's just little stuff
like for example, when it's going down the hand, should i use my thumb to roll the pen the the left a little (for righties) or to the right a little (for lefties) to account for the difference that exists from the different finger lengths (like, should i roll the pen to the left a little with my thumb when going from the first finger to teh second, and then roll it to the right a little when goign from the second to the third, and the third to the fourth finger (for right hand))
or should i just push it straight down with no roll from the thumb and should the pen just go into that position by itself once the fingers are pulled back enough
even so though, love your tutorials , they're still the best ones out there in my opinion
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Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 20:37:21
Rather than rolling the pen, concentrate on finger positioning before performing the tricks. When going from T1-T2, for example, the tip of the middle finger should be positioned below the tip of the index finger, with the middle finger bent more than the index finger. When transitioning, the pen should basically just fall down onto the middle finger as the index finger is quickly bent inward enough to get out of the way of the pen. The thumb pushed downward as the pen falls to smoothly pinch the pen between the thumb and middle finger.
The same goes for other Tipped Sonic Reverses, keep the tips of the fingers in line to allow the pen to always fall/rise to the next finger position. -
Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 22:36:02
There shouldn't be any rolling.
See-saw > Push down & curl finger
T1 > T2
Just try working on the Tipped Sonic T1-T2 and practice the fall later.
This trick is a lot about persistence (and Eso's tutorial).
Good luck, though. :] -
Date: Sun, Dec 2 2007 22:44:43QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 2 2007, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Rather than rolling the pen, concentrate on finger positioning before performing the tricks. When going from T1-T2, for example, the tip of the middle finger should be positioned below the tip of the index finger, with the middle finger bent more than the index finger.
helped a lot, thanks
i'm gonna keep on practicing it make it smoother -
Date: Mon, Dec 3 2007 04:32:13
Anyone got tips for Inverse Tipped Sonic Fall?
It looks cool when done correctly....but I don't understand how to get consistent speed+the "rocking motion" that makes it look good
I understand regular Tipped sonic fall -
Date: Mon, Dec 3 2007 12:42:14
You use the same rocking motion, just move the pen when the tip closest to you is pointed down, instead of the when the farthest tip is down.
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Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 07:42:01
I'm just figured this trick out, but i can't find a smooth way to link this into my freestyles and combos. what is a good trick or short combo to do right after tipped sonic T1-T2, then to T3?
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Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 08:09:23
Tipped Sonic T1-T2 > Tipped Sonic T2-T3 > Tipped Sonic T3-34 > whatever you want from 34 slot
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Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 19:47:29QUOTE (sketching @ Feb 9 2008, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Tipped Sonic T1-T2 > Tipped Sonic T2-T3 > Tipped Sonic T3-34 > whatever you want from 34 slot
no... i meant Tipped Sonic T1-T2 > Tipped Sonic T2-T3... whoops...
i can't seem to get a smooth twisted sonic right afterwards... -
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 22:37:03
Yeah, after the Tipped Sonic T2-T3, I'm saying to then go down to the 34 slot so that you can continue the combo from there.
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Date: Mon, Feb 18 2008 23:30:15QUOTE (ArchAngel2 @ Feb 9 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no... i meant Tipped Sonic T1-T2 > Tipped Sonic T2-T3... whoops...
i can't seem to get a smooth twisted sonic right afterwards...
how bout tipd sonic T1-T2-T3 tossed thumb around? -
Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 01:14:50
maybe "smooth" isn't the best way to look at it...after all it is just a controlled finger wiggle
TSxx to a fingeraround works fine -
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2008 20:46:14
How about tips on doing a tipped sonic normal? I mean, instead of going down, this one's going up.
It can be done (presumably) although I've yet to see a video of it.
I just don't even understand the motion!
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Date: Sat, Mar 1 2008 20:50:41
for a tipped sonic normal, just start it at say..the t2 slot and just pull it back with your thumb, and put your index under the pen and it'll be at the t1 slot
it's easy, but i don't find it as visually appealing as the tipped sonic rev, so...yeah.. -
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2008 20:51:04
a tipped sonic going down (not the reverse tipped sonic) should be called a moonwalk tipped sonic, just like a sonic going down is called a moonwalk sonic
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Date: Sat, Mar 1 2008 20:53:31
a tipped sonic going down is reverse cause it's like the sonic reverse
moonwalk sonic is called 'moonwalk' sonic cause it 'looks' like it's going to go up, but ends up going down
tipped sonic doesn't have that aspect to it -
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2008 20:55:25QUOTE (-JC- @ Mar 1 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>for a tipped sonic normal, just start it at say..the t2 slot and just pull it back with your thumb, and put your index under the pen and it'll be at the t1 slot
it's easy, but i don't find it as visually appealing as the tipped sonic rev, so...yeah..
No, you misunderstood me. I think you're describing an inverse tipped sonic normal.
I was asking for tipped sonic normal, which would have the upper finger come in contact with the pen from the palm side. -
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2008 21:02:54
mhmm...i don't know then -__-''
i was thinkign that even if it's comign from the palm side, it would come out, then go in front of your bottom finger, and then the pen would be placed on top on the new finger
i dunno how you would get the pen to go on top of your top finger if the top finger is coming out from teh palm and behind the bottom finger -
Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 02:02:13
In an inverse tipped sonic, not only do your fingers end up on the other side of the hand when you're done*, but the pen also tips the oppposite direction. In a normal tipped sonic, the pen tips outward. In an inverse tipped sonic, the pen tips inward.
*(after you finish a inverse reverse tipped sonic, your index finger should be facing away from your palm and your thumb should be between your index finger and your palm) -
Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 10:47:00
Nevermind, I think I've got it now.
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Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 10:54:35
inverse tipped sonic? how is that possible?
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Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 11:05:23
I think you mean a tipped sonic. I find the inverse tipped sonic to be a lot easier than the normal one.
The normal one is a lot of fun. I think I'm going to learn how to do harmonic falls. -
Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 12:58:58
can someone get me a video of inverse tipped sonic?
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Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 21:23:13
There's a video in the pen spinning wiki. Search for 'tipped sonic'.
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Date: Thu, Nov 27 2008 01:15:37
well, I was just cheking the trick book and writing all the tricks I know, when I was in tipped sonic, there was a tipped sonic reverse, and I thought it was impossible,, I cheked youtube but and I saw ppl actually doing it, but some of the said " reverse tipped sonic" and some of them said "tipped sonic"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mALeIgBTGo...feature=related
this is a eso's tutorial, and it says it is reverse, but isnt that normal tipped sonic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJDmxMtHEpA...feature=related
but here, title say it is a tipped sonic, no rev but Is just the same trick that eso is doing at hes video ( btw that video is not in english but is not hard to see that he is doin same as eso)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO_Z2A6ak18
and in this video the tipped sonic reverse is without the thumb and the tipped sonic fall is with thumb
so no I am REALLY confused here
so:
tipped sonic rise (tipped sonic reverse)
tipped sonic fall (tipped sonic )
or:
tipped sonic rise (tipped sonic)
tipped sonic fall (tipped sonic reverse)
or bomb= dinamite or tnt = terterimentun notorium teterium??
or even if sonic rise or fall exists!!!!
I am very confused, please someone clear my mind, and sorry for my english, its kinda hard for me to explain my doubts in english
PD: thee are some more ppl confused with this too, if u see eso's rev tipped sonic video u will se a guys says " isnt that normal tipped sonic"?? -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 19:48:30
What about this one?
Tipped Charge(or Sonic) on Lips Stall -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 20:03:59QUOTE (Kachineo @ Nov 26 2008, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well, I was just cheking the trick book and writing all the tricks I know, when I was in tipped sonic, there was a tipped sonic reverse, and I thought it was impossible,, I cheked youtube but and I saw ppl actually doing it, but some of the said " reverse tipped sonic" and some of them said "tipped sonic"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mALeIgBTGo...feature=related
this is a eso's tutorial, and it says it is reverse, but isnt that normal tipped sonic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJDmxMtHEpA...feature=related
but here, title say it is a tipped sonic, no rev but Is just the same trick that eso is doing at hes video ( btw that video is not in english but is not hard to see that he is doin same as eso)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO_Z2A6ak18
and in this video the tipped sonic reverse is without the thumb and the tipped sonic fall is with thumb
so no I am REALLY confused here
so:
tipped sonic rise (tipped sonic reverse)
tipped sonic fall (tipped sonic )
or:
tipped sonic rise (tipped sonic)
tipped sonic fall (tipped sonic reverse)
or bomb= dinamite or tnt = terterimentun notorium teterium??
or even if sonic rise or fall exists!!!!
I am very confused, please someone clear my mind, and sorry for my english, its kinda hard for me to explain my doubts in english
PD: thee are some more ppl confused with this too, if u see eso's rev tipped sonic video u will se a guys says " isnt that normal tipped sonic"??
Alright, this is a really old post that I'm answering but i'm going to answer it anyway just in case someone else was wondering the same thing.
The whole naming of tipped sonic hasn't really been figured out or decided on. The debate is that since tipped sonic fall goes down the hand, just like a sonic fall, it should be called tipped sonic reverse since sonic reverse goes down the hand. Same for tipped sonic rise, since that goes up the hand just like sonic rise, then it should be called tipped sonic normal.
But then the other side is that normal should be the more commonly used trick, and since tipped sonic fall was the only kind of tipped sonic being used for awhile, that obtained the name of "normal" tipped sonic. And when tipped sonic rise came into the picture, people called it the reverse since it was different...and I suppose it's a little weird to have been doing the reverse of a trick the entire time and then realize there's a normal version (harder version) out there.
I personally agree with:
Tipped Sonic Rise = Tipped Sonic Normal
Tipped Sonic Fall = Tipped Sonic Reverse
...but I only confuse people when everyone else doesn't see it that way.
Best way to avoid it is to just call it Tipped Sonic Rise/Fall, so people know if it's going up or down the hand. -
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 05:11:16QUOTE (-JC- @ Dec 1 2007, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've been trying to get this move down, but i just can't seem to make it look good. It keeps on slipping when it gets to my pinky (well, when i'm doing the tipped sonic fall). Some people find this trick to be fairly easy, but i dont' see how. And does the tipped sonic remind you of when a person kinda just stumbled on the stairs...i dunno, i just thought that it looked like that right now
so tips and tutorials would be appreciated
i watched eso's tutorial as that is where i go for every new trick that i learn, but i just want more advice on it because that video didn't go into much detail (not that i know if the trick has too much detail or not) compared to how in depth he goes into a trick when teaching other tricks
I had the same problem as you. Just use your wrist motion for the ring to the pinky sonic. -
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 05:32:04QUOTE (tofukebab @ Mar 8 2010, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I had the same problem as you. Just use your wrist motion for the ring to the pinky sonic.
lol, you quoted an oldd postt, i said that over 2 years ago... i can do it fine now xD -
Date: Tue, Mar 9 2010 02:42:27QUOTE (JC @ Mar 7 2010, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol, you quoted an oldd postt, i said that over 2 years ago... i can do it fine now xD
LOL.
edit: So in Lost 1st, Nikoo does a tipped sonic without using his thumb, is it considered a tipped sonic 1-x? i dunno, it looked really cool
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Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 14:59:20
Just wanted to share a tip that I had when I was learning the tipped sonic rise. I started by having majority of the pen in the palmside. COG of pen on the palm side of the pen. What really helped me was that I shake my hand up and down as I did the tipped sonic rise. As the pen swings upward on the palmside, You move your hand upward and vice versa. This helped me with generate momentum to bring the pen over the finger. I was struggling with this trick before I tried this method so I hope this helps you.
PS I think this would help those who can do the tipped sonic fall but not the rise. -
Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 17:00:34
this trick is like the easiest ever, easier than charge and ta
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Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 06:34:31QUOTE (tic @ Mar 26 2010, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>this trick is like the easiest ever, easier than charge and ta
Have you tried learing the rise?