UPSB v3

General Discussion / World Cup '10 - Round 2 - Results OUT!

  1. Zombo
    Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 21:20:28

    Website: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/


    Spoiler:





    Spoiler:
    Group A

    CODE
    TEAM  | W | D | L | MW  | VF | Pts
    KPSA  | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2   | 16 | 3
    GPC   | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2   | 15 | 3
    JEB   | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1   | 12 | 0
    PSH   | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1   | 11 | 0


    Group B

    CODE
    TEAM  | W | D | L | MW  | VF | Pts
    THPSC | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | 20 | 3
    TWPS  | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2   | 15 | 3
    HKPSA | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1   | 12 | 0
    BPSC  | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0.5 |  7 | 0


    W = Battle Wins
    D = Battle Draws
    L = Battle Losses
    MW = Number of Matches Won
    VF = Votes For: Number of votes gained.
    Pts = Number of points.


    Second round:

    DOWNLOAD: http://upsb.info/WC10/R2/
    All Vids Pack: http://upsb.info/WC10/R2/WC10R2.zip (RECOMMENDED)

    Youtube Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8A3AD1D0839150F2

    Group A

    5. PSH VS JEB

    PSH wins 2-1.

    6. KPSA VS GPC

    GPC wins 2-1.

    Group B

    7. TWPS VS THPSC

    THPSC wins 3-0.

    8. HKPSA VS BPSC

    BPSC wins 3-0.

    Detailed results
    Comments

    Themes Draw Video

    Schedule

    If there are no problems with round 1 judging, here is the schedule for round 2:

    Themes drawn and revealed: February 6th, 2010.
    Deadline to submit lineups: February 13th, 2010.
    Deadline to submit videos: February 27th, 2010.
    Judging Results: March 6th, 2010.

    Good Luck!

    Spoiler:

    Round 1
    Rosters and Groups
    Rules

  2. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 00:02:26

    CURRENT STANDINGS

    Group A

    CODE
    TEAM  | W | D | L | MW  | VF | Pts
    KPSA  | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2   | 16 | 3
    GPC   | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2   | 15 | 3
    JEB   | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1   | 12 | 0
    PSH   | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1   | 11 | 0


    Group B

    CODE
    TEAM  | W | D | L | MW  | VF | Pts
    THPSC | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | 20 | 3
    TWPS  | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2   | 15 | 3
    HKPSA | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1   | 12 | 0
    BPSC  | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0.5 |  7 | 0


    W = Battle Wins
    D = Battle Draws
    L = Battle Losses
    MW = Number of Matches Won
    VF = Votes For. Number of votes gained.
    Pts = Number of points.

  3. Glamouraz
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 01:51:23

    I don't get it. what's spinless?

  4. strat1227
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 02:15:57

    tricks where the pen doesn't actually rotate relative to the hand, you just move your hand/arm to make the pen looks like it's moving, or move your hand/arm around the pen.

    check out the 2 spinless vids from round 1

  5. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 03:04:28

    QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Feb 6 2010, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I don't get it. what's spinless?



  6. GSkyrunner
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 15:31:29

    Fingerless combo isn't considered as Spinless, right?

  7. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 15:34:11

    QUOTE (GSkyrunner @ Feb 7 2010, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Fingerless combo isn't considered as Spinless, right?


    no that has nothing to do with whether the pen is spinning or not. its pretty obvious when a trick is spinless.

  8. RdHg
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 16:33:26

    Whats body and environment about?

  9. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 16:38:30

    QUOTE (RdHg @ Feb 7 2010, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Whats body and environment about?


    body -> use of the whole body (arms, legs, feet, neck, head, etc.)

    environment -> use of external objects (table, floor, walls, etc.)

  10. Zombo
    Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 00:26:45

    Standings:



    by strat1227

  11. hoiboy
    Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 00:38:22

    VF?

  12. Zombo
    Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 00:52:59

    votes for -> number of votes gained by judges

  13. Zombo
    Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 20:19:40

    missing only kpsa.

  14. AyySoLo
    Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 14:25:23

    line ups all out yet?

  15. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 18:09:01

    updated website:

    http://worldpenspinning.com/poolone.html
    http://worldpenspinning.com/pooltwo.html

    deadline to submit videos is February 27, 2010 (2/27).

    Good luck

  16. hoiboy
    Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 00:51:07

    oh man, TWPS vs. THPSC is gonna come hella close

    baoO and evo vs. peem and thelegend

    i wonder how TKspin vs. BaiMai is going to turn out though, i've never seen them go spinless before

    also looking forward to:
    zzajae vs. minwoo
    kin+winky vs. kr4zy+knuckles
    X vs. ponkotu

  17. RH
    Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 03:27:55

    QUOTE (hoiboy @ Feb 15 2010, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    oh man, TWPS vs. THPSC is gonna come hella close

    baoO and evo vs. peem and thelegend

    i wonder how TKspin vs. BaiMai is going to turn out though, i've never seen them go spinless before

    also looking forward to:
    zzajae vs. minwoo
    kin+winky vs. kr4zy+knuckles
    X vs. ponkotu


    i actually am pretty sure that THPSC will win( yes i know im being baised)

    im sure supawit127 will have smoothness over Joey

    Baimai vs TKspin is up in the air IMO as no one has seem them go spinless

    Spinnerpeem and The Legend will rape the taiwanese( even though im taiwanese :'[)

  18. AwonW
    Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 03:34:01

    Supawit having more smoothness than Joey? .___.
    BaoO and evo vs peem and The Legend will be pretty close I think, last I saw of The Legend, he wasn't that good :\

  19. Miguel
    Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 03:51:16

    Looking forward for
    6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, ZzaJae (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC)
    laugh.gif

  20. Simplex
    Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 03:52:21

    QUOTE (AwonW @ Feb 19 2010, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Supawit having more smoothness than Joey? .___.
    BaoO and evo vs peem and The Legend will be pretty close I think, last I saw of The Legend, he wasn't that good :\


    i think peem's power tricks are a notch above evo
    but imo baoo's spinning in general is a notch above the legend

  21. Margareth
    Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 13:56:59

    can't wait on peems combo.. happy.gif

  22. Tushix
    Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 20:06:55

    Holy shit!

    Most exciting line ups biggrin.gif
    Olii vs. Fire@fox for difficulty biggrin.gif
    Zzajae vs Minwoo for environment

  23. blahblahting
    Date: Sun, Feb 21 2010 05:07:56

    ooh i wanna see baoo and evolution's tag biggrin.gif

    and wtf is "body and environment"? huh.gif

  24. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 21 2010 05:48:47

    QUOTE (blahblahting @ Feb 21 2010, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    ooh i wanna see baoo and evolution's tag biggrin.gif

    and wtf is "body and environment"? huh.gif


    already asked in this very thread

    http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?s=&am...st&p=328282

  25. Zombo
    Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 18:35:21

    Videos are due tomorrow.

  26. Wind
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 05:09:36

    Minwoo's combo is up

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1e6bn3-fRQ&feature=sub

  27. Zombo
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 15:16:43

    received:

    KPSA

  28. Frip
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 21:26:31

    Littleboy:



    vs

    Mist



    Theme: variety


    Supawit:



    Vs Joey

    BaoO/Evolution




    BaiMai:



    Vs

    TKspin



    Theme: Spinless


    Crew



    vs

    TheKOok



    Theme: Control

    I'll edit more later lol

    GPC Double Stuhl/colddi



    Minwoo's clip:



    You can post KPSA now Zombo

  29. melvenorc12
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 21:34:37

    ponkotu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7kg--PHyqo

    fire@fox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03oeltdcN4c

  30. vicgotgame
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 22:22:13

    Peems combo is crazy.. harder than Explore M. blink.gif
    and wtf Minwoo... crazzzy. lol

  31. RH
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 22:45:54

    Link to peem's combo? i did not see it on youtube.

    my guesses on THPSC vs TWPS (yes i know my opinions will be biased, please do not scream out "OMG THPSC FANBOY GTFO!!!" or anything related please)

    Supawit127 vs Joey: Winner IMO: Supawit127 as of right now because i did not find Joey's video. In addition his combo went entirely one direction plus im sure his difficulty will give him a few extra points

    BaiMai vs TKspin: Winner: ??? im actually unsure. TKspin did much more spinning than BaiMai but his hand was very shaky and some of it went off screen. BaiMai was very controlled except for the fact that he span for like 5 seconds of it?

    The Legend + Spinnerpeem VS Evolution + BaoO. this is actually much closer than i expected. BaoO and Evolution together had a great tag. the transition was nice... but why was evolution one hand clapping at the beginning? But if Vic says Peem's combo was more insane than his Explore M combo then TWPS has possibly lost. so the real X factor in this is The Legend. His combo will probably decide the outcome

    please do not flame me. these are the opinions of a noob who knows very little about combos

  32. vicgotgame
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 22:48:27

    QUOTE (RH @ Feb 27 2010, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Link to peem's combo? i did not see it on youtube.

    Peem sent me the file on msn. Itll be on Youtube pretty soon. smile.gif

  33. AyySoLo
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 23:27:45

    lol, GPC's tag is very funny tongue.gif
    but i saw KPSA's tag, imao kpsa wins the tag
    minwoo's body environment should be enough to beat zzajae, zzajae's combo is.....urrr~~~

    mist improved a lot, but littleboy is just a beast biggrin.gif
    TWPS has like a godly tag laugh.gif but it's too early to judge, i think THPSC gonna have something godly too
    BaiMai's spinless!!!! holy shit, BaiMai my friend, you are so sick!!

  34. Winner
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 23:47:40

    zzajae great ending

  35. Tushix
    Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 23:51:35

    Links D:

    LOL at GPC tag xD

  36. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 02:35:40

    here's what I got so far

    PSH:

    >> Olii
    >> X
    >> cLear & cLast

    JEB:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03oeltdcN4c >> Fire@fox
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7kg--PHyqo >> pontoku
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6xUQ6ZHo6w >> forever & Hibachi

    ---

    KPSA:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_JvfxJVpbs >> Crew
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Waz0m3XqIt4 >> ZzaJae
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0pc-wNuVqc >> TurnDont & Nia

    GPC:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X3Z9DVkc4s >> TheKOok
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1e6bn3-fRQ >> Minwoo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQRlIAPSxwI >> colddi & Stuhl

    ---

    THPSC:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mCcDs6tukA >> Supawit127
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDX2SQXBtTY >> BaiMai
    >> Spinnerpeem & The Legend

    TWPS:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg_iPdwVHQk >> Joey
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4quNe_N3lBk >> TKspin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMU-4HVKRMw >> BaoO + Evolution

    ---

    HKPSA:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBGej3Do7dU >> Mist
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPc4-wa7l4w >> wcy
    >> kin & Winky

    BPSC:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCtvo7-Str4 >> Littleboy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCkOEMuhpaM >> Ivabra
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o0YYIAS2Uk >> knuckles & Kr4zy

    still missing a few, if you foudn them, post it here plz

    Basically missing from:

    PSH
    THPSC
    HKPSA

  37. AwonW
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 02:36:15

    QUOTE (RH @ Feb 27 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Link to peem's combo? i did not see it on youtube.
    Supawit127 vs Joey: Winner IMO: Supawit127 as of right now because i did not find Joey's video. In addition his combo went entirely one direction plus im sure his difficulty will give him a few extra points

    BaiMai vs TKspin: Winner: ??? im actually unsure. TKspin did much more spinning than BaiMai but his hand was very shaky and some of it went off screen. BaiMai was very controlled except for the fact that he span for like 5 seconds of it?

    ">" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350">
    Joey's video

    BaiMai destroyed TKspin imo, TKspin was really sloppy and barely took the spinless theme into account whereas BaiMai's combo is one of the best spinless combo's I've ever seen.

  38. RH
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 02:54:37

    QUOTE (AwonW @ Feb 27 2010, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

    Spoiler:
    ">" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350">

    Joey's video

    BaiMai destroyed TKspin imo, TKspin was really sloppy and barely took the spinless theme into account whereas BaiMai's combo is one of the best spinless combo's I've ever seen.


    oh... i percieved the spinless as the pen does not make full rotations or am i just reading this incorrectly. but you will noticed that i did say TKspin's spinning was sloppy.

    Joey vs Supawit: Supawit wins IMO his hand was not as shaky and his difficutly was at least a few notches higher IMO.

  39. Hippo2626
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 03:01:42

    Man this tournament is so, very, incredibly, INSANELY, MIND-BLASTINGLY exciting!!!!
    SOme very awesome videos:
    MINWOO>>>
    > >
    SUPAWIT> > >
    > > >
    BAIMAI>> > >
    > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GODLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PONTOKU> > > >
    > > >
    STUHL>>> > >
    > >
    WCY>>>>>

    I predict that THPSC and GPC will go to the finals.
    Thats the battle I'm looking forward to.

  40. k-ryder
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 03:23:16

    .... wow, the videos were amazing

    pontoku, <3

    stuhl <333333 now my favourite spinner i think

    baimai's combo was basically all spinless, and was just amazing

    this WC is crazy

  41. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 05:41:10

    updated w/ PSH

    missing:

    Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC)
    kin & Winky (HKPSA)

  42. Tushix
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 06:00:36

    DDD:

    Why did Vic have to hype up spinnerpeem's combo so much for it to be one of the last posted xD

  43. Spinnerpeem
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 13:32:23

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUTmZlHIpgQ

    Go

  44. AyySoLo
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 14:08:05

    QUOTE (Spinnerpeem @ Feb 28 2010, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUTmZlHIpgQ

    Go

    spinnerpeem + the legend
    vs
    baoO + evolution
    =
    best tag battle i ever seen ohmy.gif

  45. Hippo2626
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 14:13:16

    Hey Zombo, will you be doing what you did in round 1 in round 2 as well where you let us download all the WC videos?

  46. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 16:31:01

    website updated
    download links added
    poll added

    see first post

  47. LittleboyBPSC
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 17:17:20

    Hum tonight I have time to give you my opinion about this second round wink.gif

    Group A

    5. PSH VS JEB

    5.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs Fire@fox (JEB) : Fire@fox : Difficulté is not only based on power tricks and I have really seen very few interesting linkages in both spinners's combo (except firefox's nice side impulses). Firefox also shows more difficult tricks. Olii's tricks are repetitive but difficult.
    5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, X (PSH) vs ponkotu (JEB) : Ponkotu : no hesitation, great combo, insane transferts
    5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH) vs forever & Hibachi (JEB) : Chinese team : more interesting tricks, great indexspin by clear, good combos. Forever is not so smooth

    JEB 2 - 1 PSH

    6. KPSA VS GPC

    6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew (KPSA) vs TheKOok (GPC) : Crew : both controlled combos but crew is largely better
    6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, ZzaJae (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC) : Minwoo : a lot of interesting tricks in both combos but minwoo shows us more body tricks
    6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't & Nia (KPSA) vs Stuhl & colddi (GPC) : really don't know. Awesome battle!

    ? KPSA 1 - 1 GPC ?
    Maybe no winner.

    Group B

    7. TWPS VS THPSC

    7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Joey (TWPS) vs Supawit127 (THPSC) : Supawit127 : smoothest combo ever. But really great vid by joey ; maybe a bit too long
    7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, TKspin (TWPS) vs BaiMai (THPSC) : baimai : a lot more of spinless tricks, better execution too and great ideas
    7.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & Evolution (TWPS) vs Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC) : really close but the thais win in my opinion

    TWPS 0 - 3 THPSC

    8. HKPSA VS BPSC

    8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Mist (HKPSA) vs Littleboy (BPSC) : Littleboy. Hum close, both spinners fit the theme really good but maybe I win this battle with my finish
    8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, wcy (HKPSA) vs Ivabra (BPSC) : Ivabra. No hesitation : wcy has made 2 huge mistakes (rotation no-controlled) and 1 big off-screen with is really unacceptable in the World Cup. But great ideas btw. Ivabra's combo is a lot smoother using 2 hands and more aerials even if they are less creative.
    8.3 Double 2vs2: kin & winky (HKPSA) vs Kr4zy & knuckles (BPSC) : really close. Don't know : great combo by meteor and nice execution and 2 hands by winky. I was confident with kr4zy's style and smoothness and knuckles ideas but I am afraid now...

    ? BPSC 2 - 0(1?) HKPSA ?

  48. AwonW
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 18:57:39

    Group A

    5. PSH VS JEB

    5.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs Fire@fox (JEB) : Fire@fox was really nice, not only did he have lots of difficulty with those spread, but he also had some hard, interesting linkages in there. Although he had too many spread I'm pretty sure he'll take this one seeing as though Olii has a good amount of repetition as well. Fire@fox
    5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, X (PSH) vs ponkotu (JEB) : Ponkotu's made my favorite WC video so far, just insane. Ponkotu without a doubt.
    5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH) vs forever & Hibachi (JEB) : The JEB tag was sloppy, it looked like it was recorded in one take. The PSH spinners on the other hand had really nice, interesting combos. I particularly liked whoever spun 2nd, cLast I think? cLear and cLast

    JEB- 2
    PSH- 1

    6. KPSA VS GPC

    6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew (KPSA) vs TheKOok (GPC) : Both spinners followed the theme but Crew's combo was just a lot better difficulty wise.
    6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, ZzaJae (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC) : Neither of these spinners had great execution but I think Minwoo's was a bit better. I liked ZzaJae's concepts but his ending was terrible. Minwoo
    6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't & Nia (KPSA) vs Stuhl & colddi (GPC) : Uhh.. I have no idea.
    KPSA- 1+?
    GPC- 1+?
    Group B

    7. TWPS VS THPSC

    7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Joey (TWPS) vs Supawit127 (THPSC) : Both were really smooth, I personally really liked Joey's video but the judges will almost definitely pick supawit. Supawit127
    7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, TKspin (TWPS) vs BaiMai (THPSC) : BaiMai destroyed TKspin, way more spinless tricks with great execution.
    7.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & Evolution (TWPS) vs Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC) : This is a really nice battle. The TWPS tag is a lot more balanced than the Thai's in which peem really stole the show. I hope TWPS will take this one.

    TWPS- 1
    THPSC- 2

    8. HKPSA VS BPSC

    8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Mist (HKPSA) vs Littleboy (BPSC) : I enjoyed both videos but Littleboy had more difficulty imo. Littleboy
    8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, wcy (HKPSA) vs Ivabra (BPSC) : Although wcy had nice tricks, his execution, control, and smoothness was really bad. There was a whole section that was off screen. Ivabra
    8.3 Double 2vs2: kin & winky (HKPSA) vs Kr4zy & knuckles (BPSC) : Another close tag; I don't know.
    HKPSA- 0+?
    BPSC-2+?

  49. hoiboy
    Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 23:39:56

    5. PSH VS JEB
    5.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs Fire@fox (JEB)
    --I'm giving this one to Olii. They both had nice difficulty, but Olii's combo had more stuff besides spreads. Fire@fox spammed spreads a bit too much.
    5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, X (PSH) vs ponkotu (JEB)
    --Ponkotu, for obvious reasons.
    5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH) vs forever & Hibachi (JEB)
    --cLear and cLast need better cameras, but their transition should rack up a lot more points than the JEB one. I agree with Awon, forever had a pretty sloppy combo, and the transition was terribly executed
    PSH 2-1

    6. KPSA VS GPC
    6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew (KPSA) vs TheKOok (GPC)
    --Crew should win this easily. Superior control + difficulty.
    6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, ZzaJae (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC)
    --As funny as ZzaJae's combo was, I liked Minwoo's better. Minwoo made a lot more use of his body + surroundings than ZzaJae did.
    6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't & Nia (KPSA) vs Stuhl & colddi (GPC)
    --I thought it was a terrible waste of talent putting Stuhl in doubles, but w/e. I liked turndon't and Nia's transition, and their tag seemed a lot more evenly balanced than the GPC one, where Stuhl stole the show.
    KPSA 2-1

    7. TWPS VS THPSC
    7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Joey (TWPS) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)
    --Joey's video was totally subpar to Supawit's smoothness and difficulty
    7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, TKspin (TWPS) vs BaiMai (THPSC)
    --...and BaiMai pulls off another rabbitinahattrickthingy again. TKspin was sloppy and his spinless wasn't nearly as well executed + integrated as BaiMai's.
    7.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & Evolution (TWPS) vs Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC)
    --BaoO and Evolution had an epic tag, as did Spinnerpeem and The Legend, though TL was far behind the skill level of Spinnerpeem. Could go both ways.
    THPSC, though it could go 2-1 or 3-0

    Then I got bored of judging.

  50. melvenorc12
    Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 02:26:26

    I agree with most of what people are currently voting, but I definitely think PSH did better than JEB on this one. Ponkotu was the only one that did good enough to win in my opinion.

  51. Lanaro
    Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 05:23:36

    Since others are doing it, and I want to see if I am actually any good at analyzing.

    Group A

    5. PSH VS JEB

    * 5.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs Fire@fox (JEB)
    --------I voted for Olii, because the spread spam from Fire@fox seemed a little unappealing to me.
    * 5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, X (PSH) vs ponkotu (JEB)
    --------Ponkotu, nothing much else to say.
    * 5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH) vs forever & Hibachi (JEB)
    --------I'd go for PSH, because forever seemed a little choppy, and cLear and cLast worked well together.

    Final: PSH

    6. KPSA VS GPC

    * 6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew (KPSA) vs TheKOok (GPC)
    --------Crew, his style never gets old and TheKOok seemed to lack difficulty.
    * 6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, ZzaJae (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC)
    --------Minwoo, his video just looked badass. ZzaJae putting a pen down his shirt seems kinda weird.
    * 6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't & Nia (KPSA) vs Stuhl & colddi (GPC)
    --------Now this is one of the hardest decisions. Turndont's combo was alright, and his transition was a little choppy, but Nia turned it all around, his part was simply epic. Then there's Stuhl and his combo was on par with Nia's, along with the interesting transition. What's left is colddi, who I think did better than Turndon't, so my vote goes to GPC.

    Final: GPC

    Group B

    7. TWPS VS THPSC

    * 7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Joey (TWPS) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)
    --------Supawit, clockwise combo with godly smoothness is a win.
    * 7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, TKspin (TWPS) vs BaiMai (THPSC)
    --------BaiMai, since TKspin's spinless moves looked kind of choppy, and it wasn't really all that smooth. Baimai lacked difficulty, but it just seemed more appealing to me.
    * 7.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & Evolution (TWPS) vs Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC)
    --------BaoO and Evolution. Spinnerpeem's part was amazing and all, but the legend seemed really boring, so an overall good is better than just a half good to me.

    Final: THPSC

    8. HKPSA VS BPSC

    * 8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Mist (HKPSA) vs Littleboy (BPSC)
    --------Littleboy, his combo was simply epic. All the variety one could ask for, along with some amazing linkages and high difficulty.
    * 8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, wcy (HKPSA) vs Ivabra (BPSC)
    --------Ivabra, because wcy went off screen a lot, and he didn't seem all that smooth. I will say this though, that air displacement wcy did was really nice. Still, Ivabra had a better combo overall.
    * 8.3 Double 2vs2: kin & winky (HKPSA) vs Kr4zy & knuckles (BPSC)
    --------Lastly, Kr4zy and knuckles wins. Their combo had REALLY good transitions, along with some difficulty racked up. I also thought it was pretty sick how Kr4zy threw the other pen for knuckles to use.

    Final: BPSC

    Overall: PSH beats JEB
    ----------GPC beats KPSA
    ----------THPSC beats TWPS
    ----------BPSC beats HKPSA

  52. Jacobä
    Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 20:24:21

    I'll update this post as i analyze more matches.

    PSH vs JEB

    5.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs Fire@fox (JEB)
    This duel will come to my head next time i see a discussion about the strange relation between difficulty and creativity, which is in fact the choice one makes when deciding if pen spinning is an art or a sport. While it's very clear that in the technical criteria, specially when the theme is difficulty, the sport factor is surely of great importance, here what was really decisive was the artistic side of each combo. While both combos were pretty difficult Olii just dominates the match. Although busts are everywhere, and are clearly what he wanted to show (both the opening and the ending are filled with busts), it contains sufficient variety of tricks, including very difficult ones. Fire@Fox combo on the other hand gives an ugly impression. It looks as if he wanted to beat the continuous spread world record, and jammed some intermediate tricks in between his spread sequences. Now make no mistake, Fire@fox's combo may be even harder than Olii's (spreads are hard creatures to master) but pen spinning is not made of one single trick, but of interesting combos, and his is not.
    Winner: Olii, comfortably.

    5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, X (PSH) vs ponkotu (JEB)
    A very disappointing match to say the least. How can one expect to compete at the World Cup with a 9 seconds combo that contains a grave mistake. X's combo really made me feel insulted when it ended. No further time must be spent judging how bad he lost.
    Surprisingly, ponkotu's combo also insults the viewer's intelligence, and what concerns me is that the inexperienced judge can let it pass by unnoticed. At a first glance, it looks very interesting, with the use of original concepts and sufficient variety. Now take a deeper look. What on earth does he do with his left hand? He's surely proficient at holding the pen with it, but no harder trick than a twisted sonic was used. Nonetheless although this might've lost to a standard 2p2h spinner, his opponent just lost the match by himself, and the fact his video had 20 second is sufficient to secure the win.
    Winner: ponkotu, unfortunately.

    5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH) vs forever & Hibachi (JEB) First of all, i really laughed at the beginning of PSH's TAG, using bokura's solo theme against JEB was kinda remarkable. Now their combos, although not that much remarkable, were very solid. Both have a very similar style, and while cClear trows some interesting swivels, cLast started his combo in reverse motion, and made use of a nice executed spread and a twisted cobra bite. The main concern I have about this tag is the lack of any kind of transition… is it really that hard to add one, just for the sake of aesthetics?
    Now this could've been decisive, had JEB's combo been at least equally good at the other criterias, but it was in fact systematically worse. forever seems not to get that when you make a mistake, you should stop, take a deep breath and start over. The mistake at 0:06 was unforgivable, specially in a very simple, not really bold, 13 seconds combo. Now while PSH's combo had no transition at all, this video has a very bad one. forever just catches the pen in some odd fashion an moves the hand away from the screen.
    Hibachis combo is certainly way better, just for the fact that it was mainly mistake-free. But as it seems, JEB is not willing to do anything remarkable this round. While it flows well, his combo has no dare, no emotion to it. There were some nice hybrids and a spider spin, but these were groundbreakers 3 years ago if so, and penspinning has hugely evolved since.
    Winner: cClear & cLast, with a big enough margin.

    This match made me really disappointed. I don't see communities working their hands and brains off trying to make good combos to maybe have a chance to classify to the next round, but rather some nice individuals (specially Olii) that were partially compromised by their teammates.
    I'll be surprised if the result is other than 2-1 PSH

  53. AyySoLo
    Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 21:13:15

    just want to make it clear....in the PSH tag, it's cLast first then cLear, Zombo's youtube name is flipped

  54. Kirby
    Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 23:47:33

    A couple days ago UPSB's voting had JEB 12 vs. PSH 2. Now PSH has had 9 straight votes and its almost tied up (11 psh vs. 12 JEB). I loved Stuhl and Colddi's tag. and thought THPSC swept TWPS(A minute ago)

  55. AwonW
    Date: Tue, Mar 2 2010 00:04:37

    I've been seeing a few combos about supawit's "clockwise combo", but I don't see what's so special about having a combo like that. To me it shows a severe lack of variety.
    @Jacobä I'd like to see you even try to copy ponkotu's combo. The theme is called Two Hands, not Do Only Known Penspinning Tricks with Two Hands.

  56. tylt
    Date: Tue, Mar 2 2010 03:33:55

    QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 1 2010, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I've been seeing a few combos about supawit's "clockwise combo", but I don't see what's so special about having a combo like that. To me it shows a severe lack of variety.
    @Jacobä I'd like to see you even try to copy ponkotu's combo. The theme is called Two Hands, not Do Only Known Penspinning Tricks with Two Hands.



    Mmm... I think that at this point in a penspinners career if they can make it to the WT they obviously can do a wide variety of tricks. Supa did a clockwise combo I think becuase it seems to me that this would be the easiest way to show somebody that you can spin smoothly. Spinning smoothly means not having breaks in a rotation of the pen and something that changes directions could be considered a break which would then "lower" the smoothness. I understand what you are saying that he wont get a variety score that will be as high but for his theme I think he nailed it because his combo made the pen just look like it was doing alot of circles which I thought was actually pretty cool. Maybe his opponent had more variety but Supas got him beat on theme.

  57. i.suk.at.everything
    Date: Tue, Mar 2 2010 05:42:50

    @awonw: the flow, speed of his pen and control were basically perfect throughout the combo (including the ta release? > hai tua x 2, palmspin ~ fl thumbindexpinkyaround and finisher), so it fits the theme very well.

    having a clockwise combo isn't special in itself, but its execution and difficulty make it amazing

  58. Zombo
    Date: Tue, Mar 2 2010 06:09:35

    Round 2 Analysis

    First I want to explain a little bit what I like to look for in a double video. One could simply treat doubles as a collab with 2 videos with a transition in between, but I believe a good double video is much more than that. The obvious idea here is to make more interesting transitions but it's not just about the interaction between the spinners. It's also about their style, about the structure of their combined combos, about the trick selection, the tempo and even the angles used.

    There are basically two ways to look at it. One approach is to use two spinners that are complementary: with different skill sets and styles. By doing so, the overall double is a lot more varied and each spinner has a clear responsibility. On the other hand, you can use two spinners that are similar. That way, the whole is very homogeneous and you feel more cohesion.

    The reality however, is that you need a balance between these two ideas. If the spinners are too different, the double will feel disconnected. If the spinners are too similar, you will feel like watching the same thing twice. Obviously, selecting the right pair of spinners is important, but what's even more important is to ensure that both spinners work together to make a cohesive and interesting video. It is however difficult to pinpoint exactly what makes a double video good or not and most of it just comes through trial and error, hence the difficulty.

    I believe however that many doubles this round were either worst than the sum of its parts, or better than the sum of its parts. The quality of spinning, when taken out of context, was not always consistent with the quality of the overall double.

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    5. PSH vs JEB

    5.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs Fire@fox (JEB): First impression is that Olii made a video that is much more visually appealing than Fire@fox. Olii had a lot of different continuous power tricks linked together in a very straightforward fashion. But I thought it was interesting to watch because the power tricks used were always different. However it did feel more like a showcase of various power tricks, one after the other, rather than a real combo. I would have liked to see more linkages between power tricks, but also linking power tricks in a different way. He only made continuous tricks, he should have tried to link some of these elements together one after the other instead of repeating them.

    The reason Fire@fox's video doesn't look good is that he basically spend half the time doing spreads. And they're always looking similar even though they are a bit different. The problem is not so much that he uses spreads, but the fact those spreads are located at the beginning, middle and end of the combos. Because you see sequences of spreads being repeated throughout the combo, it looks like he's doing a lot of them. If he had bunched them up more it wouldn't have looked so repetitive. Now between those spreads, there are actually some quite nice hybrids involving fingers going in and out of slots, which is quite difficult to do. The problem is they're completely overshadowed by the spreads so they're not really noticeable. I think Fire@fox really had the perfect formula to win this: blending power tricks such as spreads with finger-bending hybrids in a very balanced manner would have nailed the theme perfectly. The product however is not so good because those spreads just look too prominent.

    Winner: Olii, even though I don't think he deserve to win because it didn't really look like a combo.

    5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, X (PSH) vs ponkotu (JEB): To be honest, X shows that he has great 2p2h skills. He does difficult sequences synchronized with great speed and fluidity. But it really is unacceptable to submit a video that is so botched. The spinning is off-screen, too short and the combo has a big pause for no reason in the middle. It's as if he took a random 10 seconds cut out of a bigger recording.

    ponkotu on the other hand, wow! Probably my favourite this round. He shows off a lot of really cool and appealing two hands concepts. It starts with a really nice cross hand opener, especially the catch at :02. The way the pen flows from left hand to right hand to left hand back to right hand is amazing. Then another nice trick :07 on top of the left hand, looks so good. Another one at :08, using the side of the left hand as a fixed point to rotate the pen. The motion at :14 is a little bit jerky, but still great looking. In terms of actual tricks the content is fairly shallow, but to me it really doesn't matter because it shows so many promising two hands elements we should not judge it on standards. Good job!

    Winner: ponkotu, easily.

    5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH) vs forever & Hibachi (JEB): I don't know what's up with JEB doubles, but they have been terribly under performing in those matches. This is another awful release by them. It is marred with technical faults, especially for forever. Big mistakes like pauses and stumbles like at :05 and both combos were just not very smooth. The spinning itself is nothing spectacular that can even compensate such errors. The angles are so-so as well.

    The PSH double was OK but nothing great either. cLast in particular was weak: the spinning was not smooth and the level was decent but not the best. The transition was pretty cool. Obviously the editing doesn't count, but getting exactly the right spot takes effort. cLear's combo was pretty strong though, lots of good tricks in there. However, it did overlap fairly significantly with cLast and since cLear was much better than cLast, it made cLast look worse.

    Winner: cLear & cLast.

    PSH 2-1. Surprisingly, JEB will fall 0-2 after 2 battles. But those losses are deserved IMO and largely due to weak double videos. A JEB qualification will be very difficult to achieve or even impossible if KPSA and GPC tie their battle.

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    6. KPSA vs GPC

    6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew (KPSA) vs TheKOok (GPC): First we look at the combos from an overall point of view. TheKOok made a pretty nice combo, kept my interest the whole time, I especially like the ending starting at :15. Now for Crew, when I first saw the video, I thought he made a mistake and sent me the first round video. Then I went back to check and the way I realized it was not the same combo was when I saw that his clothes were different. Seriously, it's almost the same thing: same tricks executed the same way at almost the same time. Even the wrist motion at :16 is the same. The combo itself is great though, difficult, looks nice.

    For theme of control, I believe this is where we see a distinct advantage for Crew. By having his combo very similar to the first round, it can only mean he is very consistent in those tricks and elements. For control, consistency is very important because the only way you can execute a trick effortlessly is if you master that trick completely. So in that regards, Crew makes it look real easy. He's also banking on the fact that his aerial tricks have good control at the catches, which can be difficult to control usually. You can see there's no mistake in his catches like in the first round. If you compare this to TheKOok, he seems to be struggling a lot when spinning. There's a lot of unnecessary hand movements, the pen goes off-screen partially, and the final catch took some effort to get.

    Winner: Crew.

    6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, ZzaJae (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC): Some interesting ideas from both sides, but I found the execution lacking and that is ultimately the deciding factor in this match. I love the start of Minwoo's combo, perfect integration of body spinning with real tricks. It looks good and flows right in and out from the combo. The strap move was nice, but it was the subsequent transfer to the right hand that looked weird. I also really didn't like the first aerial at :14, it seems like he slows down way too much to prepare it. I really like the contact rolling sequence starting at :18. The way the pen locks into the left bicep had a really rhythmic feel to it, I liked that a lot. It would have been even better to lock the pen in the right bicep after. The ending I thought was not so great: bumping with the knee at :22 is a good idea, but it really didn't generate any air to be useful.

    ZzaJae's combo had also some cool ideas, especially the ones involving his shirt. The first one is when he drops the pen inside his shirt. First of all, it's really cool to catch a pen with the shirt. Second, the fact that the shirt hides the pen forces us to imagine how the pen is traveling and where it's going to land, which puts a unique perspective to the combo. Furthermore, i thought that whole sequence was nicely executed and flowed well. The second element where he bumps the pen with his stretched shirt at :05 was not so great. It felt awkward because of the way he had to raise his chest. The move to roll the pen over the chest and make it jump with the knee was nice I thought. It is certainly difficult to orient the pen such that it rolls to the knee. I didn't like the palmspin to prepare that move, it was poorly executed. Also the angle didn't really show how the pen rolled. After that ZzaJae made a massive blunder by doing a crappy triangle pass ending, WTF. It is horrible I have no idea what he was thinking. What's even sadder is that he seems confused about why he's even doing this and it results in a super weak transfer to the left hand as the finish. I would have cut the video at :17, it would have looked a lot better.

    Winner: Minwoo, ZzaJae's mistake is unforgivable.

    6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't & Nia (KPSA) vs Stuhl & colddi (GPC): Difficult battle IMO. If you look only at the quality of the spinning, it's pretty clear that GPC won. However I found KPSA's vid to form a really nice ensemble. TurnDon't doesn't make a spectacular combo but it's mostly smooth and I really like the ending starting from the counter-air IA (?) at :09. The problem with his combo is his transition. He takes too much time to execute the transition, as if he forgot he had to do it after he drops the pen. Then for Nia, I like the magic trick. It's not super special but still cool. I really like Nia's combo a lot though. He shows a bit of everything, I like the stop he makes at :26 with his thumb before giving a big jolt of energy. And the ending is just insane. The way the handaround is executed looks so crazy and sudden it really wakes you up and make you want to re-watch it again. Furthermore, as a whole, the double looks very coherent. The way Nia starts off is very similar to where TurnDon't left off but then he just starts mixing it up really fast and really well, it makes the combo very exciting. Very entertaining video. KPSA has been handling double videos really well so far, with Nia as the backbone.

    For Stuhl and colddi, like I said, the spinning is very high level. Stuhl's combo is absolutely insane with the style he has. It starts right at the beginning at :05 where he does almost unintentional isolation just by holding the pen in 34. This isolation is what allows him to take more time to setup his pinky stall, although I still believe it is a tad too long. Yet, I think it is still acceptable because Stuhl has already established his graceful and delicate style using the isolation and the tempo. The transfer from pinky to pinky is very impressive and difficult. Then comes the pen rolling element which I found very cool. The most impressive part however is the seamless transfer at :17. It looks like the pen is floating in the air, but in reality it is rolling along the connected index fingers. However the connection is so subtle you're totally fooled. That was amazing. Finally, Stuhl brings his signature move of always finding a new way to do a triangle pass, this time with the left thumb. The arm roll that followed was a bit iffy, I thought it was unnecessary. Now the transition itself is funny, but of course editing is not counted. If you look only at the spinning part of the transition, it is an aerial from Stuhl to colddi. The problem is that colddi's catch is too fast so it looks like he just started spinning right away. That was not a good transition by colddi. Part of the problem is that it doesn't seem like the pen fell off from outside the camera: the air the pen took was only about halfway up in the screen. colddi's combo was pretty nice though, very aggressive with good power tricks. I especially love the part that goes palm up at :44 into the aerials. Solid.

    The problem I find with the GPC double is that overall it's not tight. I understand that they're trying to play on opposite, and clearly the presentation and the music indicate that. But at the execution and structural level, it felt too disconnected, it was too abrupt. One part of is because Stuhl has a very slow pace so you can't just cut him and have a pretty fast looking animation. It just doesn't fit his style. Maybe Stuhl should have sped up his combo for the finish. I also found the animation a little bit too long or maybe the animation itself should have increased its speed more and more. Even though editing is not considered, in this case it seems to affect the video cohesion negatively. IMO, if you really wanted to play along with the contrast of the two spinners, I would have opted with a full stop combo from Stuhl and then after the transfer give colddi the opportunity to start from scratch. The way it is right now is too abrupt and doesn't allow you to fully appreciate both combos.

    Winner: To me the cohesion problems with GPC is enough to justify a tie with KPSA, because overall I found KPSA video more enjoyable to watch even though it didn't have the talent of GPC. The problems with GPC disturbed me enough not to be able to fully appreciate their combos when you look at it all at once. So that's why I don't think KPSA should lose this match. But I think the results will indicate that GPC will win because higher quality of spinning is an important advantage to have.

    TIE 1-1-1. It all comes down to the double, the other two are set. Most likely will be a GPC victory.

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    7. TWPS vs THPSC

    7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Joey (TWPS) vs Supawit127 (THPSC): Well first of all, Joey will be disqualified for a video which is too long, so right away we know that Supawit127 will win, no question. But if we look at the combos more carefully, it's still Supa who is going to win anyway. From an overall perspective, Supawit has a superior level of technique. From the theme perspective, Joey did not do badly, his combo was very smooth. But supawit was even smoother, because he kept the rotation speed constant throughout the whole combo which is incredible. The pen never stops turning and it always turn at the same speed. That's a true indication of smoothness. It's always amazing to see the difference in his spin this round and the last round. When he was focusing on difficulty, his combo was much less controlled and but he had very risky tricks. This time, the flow of the combo is perfect but there are far less big air tricks. He makes a combo which is "tighter" to his hand. It is interesting to see how much themes have an effect on his spinning.

    Winner: Supawit127.

    7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, TKspin (TWPS) vs BaiMai (THPSC): I think this battle is closer than it should have been. BaiMai pulls a lot of great spinless elements. The problem is that there are too many of them. I still believe that the greatest example of spinless combos is Coulomb for JapEn 4th. However, what made that combo possible is the fact that is only 9 seconds long. I respect BaiMai a lot for making a complete 25 secs combo spinless and trying not to be repetitive by never repeating theh same element twice, but it gets tiring somewhere around :07. To me, in order to use spinless effectively, you must use them in moderation and have them integrated seamlessly with normal tricks. The idea is that spinless tricks can slow down the pace and provides a visual appeal different from regular spinning. Therefore by combining both types together, you get spinning which is very varied and fluctuates in tempo and visual beauty, which enhances the look of the combo. By having only spinless elements, it makes the combo too static. It's a bit like a car that has difficulty starting up. At some point you just gotta break the spinless, hit the gas and go!

    TKSpin's combo on the other hand is way too weak on the theme. The grabs at :05 looks way too strong and forced. The two hands element at :12 is not super interesting either. Furthermore the rest of the combo is not super nicely executed so it doesn't really compensate.

    Between a combo that respects the theme too much and one that doesn't really respect, I'd rather go with the one that respects too much. At least BaiMai's combo looked very special compared to TKSpin.

    Winner: BaiMai.

    7.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & Evolution (TWPS) vs Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC): Interesting battle but I have a clear idea of the winner. BaoO made a nice combo, good linkages and looked nice, except for the mistake at :10. The part I like the most is at :08 when he makes one aerial in one direction and immediately follows with another in the opposite. Evolution's combo is also very good. The linkages are not that deep, but I thought they looked good enough to prepare for the big tricks. The left hand finish also is nice. What I find really exceptional with this combo is how well both spinners fit together. Both have certainly different style, yet the transition between the two is flawless. I believe this is because they are able to spin at the same tempo. It really looks like the speed stays the same throughout both spinners, but tricks executed at that speed are very different between BaoO and Evolution, which made the whole video look very varied and balanced. Both spinners complement each other very well.

    For the THPSC combo, there are major balance issues. The Legend's combo was not really good. His spinning looks very "busy" but it really didn't have a lot of substance to it. Furthermore, it wasn't super well executed. There are major and sudden changes in speed through the combo which look unstable. But spinnerpeem after that just makes a ridiculous combo. Lots and lots of difficult tricks, nicely executed although there is a mistake at :42 where the pen suddenly slows down a lot, I think because the rotation was not complete and it hit something. The problem is that in this video, Spinnerpeem makes his own teammate look bad! The Legend seems to bring contribute absolutely nothing that spinnerpeem doesn't do, it seems like his spinning and the first half of the combo is pretty much useless. Spinnerpeem's combo was either too individualistic or The Legend is simply not good enough to keep up with him or not able to bring elements outside of Spinnerpeem's expertise.

    Winner: BaoO & Evolution. THPSC has the best combo of the four spinners, but TWPS is simply the better pair.

    THPSC 2-1, very doubtful that TWPS can win the whole battle.

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    8. HKPSA vs BPSC


    8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Mist (HKPSA) vs Littleboy (BPSC): I find that Mist put a solid effort. He finally fixed his camera angle, although I think he could be even more zoomed out. His combo had a good vibe, showed a lot of nice elements. It definitely kept my interest all the way. I think you can recognize the variety of a combo when it seems shorter than it really is. In this case, I felt like Mist's combo is really short but in fact it is a decent 18 seconds. This is because there's a nice array of tricks used.

    Littleboy on the the hand... great combo, one of the best this round for sure. The pen goes through so many different motions and it really travels around the whole space. My favourite moment is probably from :05 all the way to :14 where there's a wiper reverse. The finisher is great too.

    Winner: Littleboy, simply better in the theme and overall.

    8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, wcy (HKPSA) vs Ivabra (BPSC): wcy had some good ideas. In particular the mid-air isolation at :15 is amazing. The rest of the combo I thought had a lot of mistakes, off-screen, bad catches, etc. I also don't really like the way he executes some of his aerial pushes, it's like he gives too much of a push but the pen doesn't fly that high. It looks weird. I also liked the air bounce at :21. Some good ideas but bad execution.

    Ivabra made a solid effort. His combo doesn't have any major execution problems. It doesn't have as many nice air ideas as wcy but the two most important are located in the coolest sequence of the combo which is :04-:08. That's just insane right there with the smooth transfer from hand to hand.

    Winner: Ivabra, on the aerials it's about equal because I really liked the wcy isolation but execution-wise much better.

    8.3 Double 2vs2: kin & winky (HKPSA) vs Kr4zy & knuckles (BPSC): I thought kin's combo had some problem. It seemed to lack energy and flow. The pen had a lot of slowdowns in longer rotations and it doesn't look good. He also make a few mistakes, having to move his hand a lot to correct them. The combo itself is pretty sweet, especially the infinity sequence that leads right in the palmspin to swivel. Very tight sequence. The transfer to the left hand at :20 was also amazingly smooth. The transition to winky was not so good however. kin threw the pen too fast it's hard to see what's going on. But when it arrives at winky's side, it's suddenly really slow. Furthermore we can see winky's left hand coming into the frame which breaks the illusion of the transition. The idea of hitting a pen is not bad though. I liked this combo better than round 1. Right from the start the bakfall synchronized set a nice tone. Then winky did stumble a little bit and lost some momentum. The pen stall at :37 is a good idea in principle but the execution was too slow. I think I would have skipped the stall and just do the penaround part. The rest of the combo is pretty basic, although nicely synchronized for the most part.

    For KR4zy, I really like his style, very smooth and steady. The pen seems to be moving effortlessly. However he waited too long to transfer to knuckles. The throw itself was nicely received from knuckles side. What I really liked is that the pen doesn't travel very far in knuckles screen, therefore we don't see the fact that KR4zy actually threw very slowly and knuckles can start imposing his faster tempo right away without any problem. His combo is very nice as well, lots of very polished linkages. Now I really love the transition he made back to KR4zy. First of all making the aerial from the palm is quite refreshing. Second, the palmspin naturally slows down the spin, which is a perfect transition back to the slower KR4zy. Perhaps the only problem is that the line of the throw is a bit weird: seems like KR4zy should have caught from the bottom left corner of his screen. The second combo of KR4zy I thought was not as good as the first one because it is quite short but doesn't take too many risks even though it is easy to refilm it. What I liked though is that he does speed up with the last TA and with the throw back, which again transitions perfectly to knuckles. This second combo by knuckles does have some execution problem which is a bit surprising considering its length. I thought this was a perfect double combo from the perspective of the interaction and harmony between the spinners, they managed the speed beautifully.

    Winner: KR4zy & knuckles.

    BPSC 3-0.

  59. Jacobä
    Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 01:10:08

    QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 1 2010, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    @Jacobä I'd like to see you even try to copy ponkotu's combo. The theme is called Two Hands, not Do Only Known Penspinning Tricks with Two Hands.

    That's like the oldest rubbish ever in the history of judging things. Obviously the judge doesn't have to be a expert practitioner in order to judge properly.
    It's the same thing at every other sport. A ornamental jump's judge for instance doesn't need to have the ability to do better when he criticizes an athlete. The same thing applies to every other kind of artistic competition. When one says that a composition is bad, he obviously couldn't do better, specially because there's no better or worse in arts, just a matter of taste.
    That's precisely what I based myself in when criticizing pontoku's combo, and then i tried to justify my internal feelings with logical argumentation.

    Now yes, the theme is two hands, but that must mean that the 'two hands factor' must be applied to all standard criterias that are used to judge combos. Two-handed tempo, two-handed variety and two handed difficulty... and that's where i think his combo greatly lacked.

  60. AwonW
    Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 01:17:59

    QUOTE (Jacobä @ Mar 2 2010, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    That's like the oldest rubbish ever in the history of judging things. Obviously the judge doesn't have to be a expert practitioner in order to judge properly.
    It's the same thing at every other sport. A ornamental jump's judge for instance doesn't need to have the ability to do better when he criticizes an athlete. The same thing applies to every other kind of artistic competition. When one says that a composition is bad, he obviously couldn't do better, specially because there's no better or worse in arts, just a matter of taste.
    That's precisely what I based myself in when criticizing pontoku's combo, and then i tried to justify my internal feelings with logical argumentation.

    Now yes, the theme is two hands, but that must mean that the 'two hands factor' must be applied to all standard criterias that are used to judge combos. Two-handed tempo, two-handed variety and two handed difficulty... and that's where i think his combo greatly lacked.

    Yes, but you said that what he did was lacking difficulty, why can't just anyone do it? Also, why haven't even skilled pen spinners done something of this caliber before?. You said that he used "no harder trick than a twisted sonic." You can do a twisted sonic can't you? Clearly there is a degree of difficulty in what he's done here. Two handed tempo? I have no idea what you mean by that, I saw no major lack of tempo or smoothness anywhere in the combo. Besides, tempo isn't even a judging factor. As for two handed variety, you may have a point here, but if you think about it, the pass to his left hand for the palmspin and the crazy thing he did at :13 seconds are very different things so there IS variety, maybe not a huge amount of it, but definitely a sufficient amount.

  61. Zombo
    Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 01:46:24

    QUOTE (Jacobä @ Mar 2 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Now yes, the theme is two hands, but that must mean that the 'two hands factor' must be applied to all standard criterias that are used to judge combos. Two-handed tempo, two-handed variety and two handed difficulty... and that's where i think his combo greatly lacked.


    the judging system has been changed to allow more flexibility. I think ponkotu's combo is significantly different from regular combos that you don't need to judge it upon regular criteria and you should appeal to the aspects presented by the combo instead.

  62. Jacobä
    Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 23:16:46

    QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 2 2010, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yes, but you said that what he did was lacking difficulty, why can't just anyone do it? Also, why haven't even skilled pen spinners done something of this caliber before?. You said that he used "no harder trick than a twisted sonic." You can do a twisted sonic can't you? Clearly there is a degree of difficulty in what he's done here. Two handed tempo? I have no idea what you mean by that, I saw no major lack of tempo or smoothness anywhere in the combo. Besides, tempo isn't even a judging factor. As for two handed variety, you may have a point here, but if you think about it, the pass to his left hand for the palmspin and the crazy thing he did at :13 seconds are very different things so there IS variety, maybe not a huge amount of it, but definitely a sufficient amount.

    Yes, i see yours and zombo's point, the combo is really interesting in the sense that it shows the spinner must've done some serious mental work before filming it, even if the result is not technically appealing (now that it has been done yes, i think I could do it with some training, but coming up with it is another story).
    And just to make it clear, I was just listing possible points to be judged in a two handed video, I never meant that pontoku's combo lacked variety...

  63. AwonW
    Date: Thu, Mar 4 2010 01:00:54

    QUOTE (Jacobä @ Mar 2 2010, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Now yes, the theme is two hands, but that must mean that the 'two hands factor' must be applied to all standard criterias that are used to judge combos. Two-handed tempo, two-handed variety and two handed difficulty... and that's where i think his combo greatly lacked.

    I think I misinterpreted this then..

  64. Zombo
    Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 14:02:16

    judging due today

  65. Zombo
    Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 17:53:15

    received judging:

    FPSB
    GPC
    HKPSA
    PSH
    SPSC
    TWPS
    VNPSB
    PPP
    BPSC
    THPSC
    UPSB
    KPSA

    missing:

    JEB

  66. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 14:32:26

    JEB still hasn't submitted, their decision can affect only 1 match for 1 battle but not a whole battle. I don't think JEB reads UPSB anyway so I can post partial results here.

    the rest are all decided, JEB doesn't vote on Group A:

    5.1 PSH wins 7-2
    5.2 JEB wins 9-0
    5.3 PSH wins 7-2
    5. PSH wins 2-1 (14-13)

    6.1 KPSA wins 9-0
    6.2 GPC wins 9-0
    6.3 GPC wins 6.5-2.5
    6. GPC wins 2-1 (15.5-11.5)

    7. THPSC wins at least 2-0 (no details because one match outcome is not clear)

    8.1 BPSC wins 8-0 (could be 9-0 or 8-1 depending on JEB)
    8.2 BPSC wins 6-2
    8.3 BPSC wins 5-3
    8. BPSC wins 3-0 (19-5)

  67. Jacobä
    Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 14:53:45

    Wow zombo, your predictions turned out to be 100% accurate.

  68. Zombo
    Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 15:35:24

    updated with JEB votes.

    Detailed results
    Comments

  69. AwonW
    Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 18:36:49

    I'm really disappointed with BaoO & Evolution, and also Fire@fox's losses sad.gif

  70. Gisele 8
    Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 20:14:49

    i'm also shocked that fire@fox lost... =OOO

    i also wanted the korean duo to win ='(


    well... but we are happy that we won ^^ sorry for hkpsa =/

    battle versus twps will be epic. whoo
    Good luck twps!