UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Swivel
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 06:50:11
any comments on how to do this trick?? i dont have an idea -
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 07:38:23
the best way to get into this trick is ta> palmspin>swivel imo. but the trick it self has a lot of wrist movement. and the hardest part of this is catching it, because it might be uncontrolable at first
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 07:47:52
is this looks like a hand around?? anyway tnx for the tip
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 09:12:33
Before I knew this trick existed, I was practicing how to transfer the pen from the position where the pen is held by the palm and your fist is closed to the back of my hand by swinging my hand thumb downward. (Somewhat like a reverse twisted cobra bite.) When I was able to swing the pen such that the pen could balance on the pinky side area, that was when I discovered the swivel. I tried it once and I could get it. Hopefully this helps. Sorry if my explanation is not clear. (If you don't understand just say so and I'll try to re-explain it.) However, now I'm having a hard time learning the combo TA -> palmspin -> swivel.
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 09:32:45
i was shown a video of a swivel, and i thought it was a pinky bak
in actual fact its the reverse rotated pinky bak (pb goes cw, swivel goes ccw)
hope that also give you more of an idea of how to get a swivel -
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 10:26:32
i watch it on youtube.. and it really looks like a hand around or cobra?? i guess
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 21:56:21
I dont even know wat dis move looks like! Wat is it???T.T
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 22:16:39
I learned from watching the slomo over and over. -
Date: Thu, Feb 25 2010 02:23:07 a nice tutorial .. it's looks like a part of hand around
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Date: Thu, Feb 25 2010 02:59:04
you guys realize that technically, it's just a sonic from the outside of you pinky right?
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Date: Thu, Feb 25 2010 03:04:51
yea your right... it's a pinky sonic
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Date: Thu, Feb 25 2010 09:32:06
Technical term is sonic P4-12but should it be a FL. trick? I think so
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Date: Thu, Feb 25 2010 10:13:45
maybe
.. you will only use your pinky to realese the pen.. -
Date: Thu, Feb 25 2010 10:42:14
The motion is generated from the wrist movement. The pinky or any finger is just there as a fulcrum to turn the pen.
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Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 22:11:31
i have to clue how to do this trick but it looks so awesome...help please?
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Date: Thu, Apr 15 2010 22:35:16
Try to search Swivel by lindorspin at youtube.
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Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 04:32:12
hm trying to explain as easily as possible. try to think of it as a sonic because it does a 1.0 rotation..i think anyways i hold it in my palm with the pen sticking out on the side where the pinky is. if your right handed flick your wrist to the left and catch with 12 and vice versa if your left handed
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Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 06:00:23
this trick is pretty useless done normally to 12, looks ugly imo... but if u mix it up like vic's ~> pinky around and my ~> symmetrical backaround it gets much more tricky, im sure theres more u can do with it... like holding the pen under 3 and pushing it under 4, over 2 and 3 and under 1 and doing a fl ta. etc etc
mix it up people... so sick of standard swivel -
Date: Tue, Apr 27 2010 20:41:23QUOTE (spinneraddiction @ Feb 24 2010, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the best way to get into this trick is ta> palmspin>swivel imo. but the trick it self has a lot of wrist movement. and the hardest part of this is catching it, because it might be uncontrolable at first hope this helps
ta > palmspin > swivel is WAY OVERUSED and looks bad imo :/
QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Feb 24 2010, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Before I knew this trick existed, I was practicing how to transfer the pen from the position where the pen is held by the palm and your fist is closed to the back of my hand by swinging my hand thumb downward. (Somewhat like a reverse twisted cobra bite.) When I was able to swing the pen such that the pen could balance on the pinky side area, that was when I discovered the swivel. I tried it once and I could get it. Hopefully this helps. Sorry if my explanation is not clear. (If you don't understand just say so and I'll try to re-explain it.) However, now I'm having a hard time learning the combo TA -> palmspin -> swivel.
well the swivel's motion is the exact opposite of a tw cobra bite
just imo, but i think swivel should be classified as an around, not a sonic because there is a pinkybak component to the swivel (swivel = pinkybak p4-12 1.5 imo anyways.) SORRY I HOPE THIS DOESNT BRING UP A NOTATION WAR D:
and im definitely w/ penja. i mixing up swivels is definitely important. (ie. swivel p4-34 > ringaround > devils shadow 34-34)
EDIT: imo a good angle is also necessary to make swivels look nice
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Date: Tue, Apr 27 2010 23:10:03
Ok, after a full school day of practicing it I have mastered the swivel and soon post some variations, tips, and secrets on how to master this Trick
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Date: Tue, Apr 27 2010 23:23:56
by "variations", do you mean just catching it in different slots? there are a lot of variations of swivels out there.
yes, you probably have the trick down. but have you mastered it? i doubt it
hmm... IMO swivel is more of a moonwalk around than a sonic :/ -
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 00:18:33
I don't know much about swivels so excuse me for some dumb questions.
Does it have to start p4?
Can it end anywhere?
Is it a swivel as long as it rotates 1.0 on top of the hand being rotated by a fingerless motion?
Are there such things as inverse swivels? -
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 00:21:59QUOTE (miyat @ Apr 27 2010, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't know much about swivels so excuse me for some dumb questions.
Does it have to start p4?
Can it end anywhere?
Is it a swivel as long as it rotates 1.0 on top of the hand being rotated by a fingerless motion?
Are there such things as inverse swivels?
wat -
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 00:27:46QUOTE (miyat @ Apr 27 2010, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't know much about swivels so excuse me for some dumb questions.
Does it have to start p4?
Can it end anywhere?
Is it a swivel as long as it rotates 1.0 on top of the hand being rotated by a fingerless motion?
Are there such things as inverse swivels?
does NOT have to start p4
CAN end anywhere
rotation is not fixed, you could add more rotations if you like, but it cant have a total of less than 1.5 spins
there are NO inverse swivels, unless you can bend your pinky 180 degrees back to start it out on the back of your hand
i feel the swivel is more of an around than a sonic, and theres no such thing as an inv around, so yeah.....
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Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 01:02:52
omg yes i can do it
now to learn ta palmspin -
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 02:45:26
I find the best way to dish out this trick is by: wiper TF > swivel bust. Also I made this quick video to try and help people learn the trick. Idk how it ended up being sideways.
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Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 03:09:55
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Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 04:04:33
Just a tip about swivel usage: don't abuse it
There are way too many combo's out there that consist of spam > swivel > spam > swivel bust (or something along those lines) -
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 04:08:20QUOTE (hoiboy @ Apr 28 2010, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just a tip about swivel usage: don't abuse it
There are way too many combo's out there that consist of spam > swivel > spam > swivel bust (or something along those lines)
that video was bad, i got advice to start palm up and it look sooo much better now
but im honestly not a power tricker, if i use it at all in a combo it will be once not spammed, just to make it look better [im not against power tricks in combos just think some ppl overdo them]
im inspired by erirors smooth linkages more than anything u can see some of my noob linkages in the combo vid in my profile but i have a LONGGG way to go. i tried to do multiple fl ta's as the finisher like eriror but it failed lol
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Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 21:20:32
HOW DO U DO IT!?!?!?!?!
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Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 18:33:00
Keep on training =)
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Date: Sat, Jun 12 2010 00:58:18
I have a method that I use to teach swivels to my friends. Usually this helps more than tutorials (or so I've been told...)
1. Gun position: Thumb pointing up, Index finger pointing out. Using middle, ring, and pinky finger, hold semi-extremity of pen (like, 75% of the pen's hanging down)
2. Rotate hand sideways.
3. Loosen fingers' grip on pen. As you do so, jerk hand backwards. The pen should spin along the knuckles of your hand...
4. Bring up middle, ring, pinky to catch the pen between your index and ring.
Note: This looks really...really jerky. Once you get it down, add some style. -
Date: Sun, Jun 20 2010 10:33:22
now i lear swivel.. i think it's not that hard.
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Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 08:05:13
swivel= twisted cobra bite reverse
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Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:44:59
pinkyswivel P-12 = twisted cobra bite reverse¨P-12
Swivel is not only 1 trick. twisted cobra bite reverse is a swivel, like several other tricks. => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI19-gmxHiM -
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 11:37:49
so we can call tw cobra bite as swivel reverse?
anyway, I can do such a swivel spin 1.5/2.0 (don't know what is called). does anyone did this trick before? if none, later I'll post it.. -
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 14:05:26QUOTE (GLAND @ Jun 23 2010, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so we can call tw cobra bite as swivel reverse?
anyway, I can do such a swivel spin 1.5/2.0 (don't know what is called). does anyone did this trick before? if none, later I'll post it..
Uh, it's not that special I'm afraid. pretty much like doing a thumbspin 1.0 and 2.0. no difference really. -
Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 16:54:41
twisted cobra bite can be called swivel reverse (or pinkyswivel reverse 12-P), but you can also keep the original name, since everybody knows it i think.
Swivel with 2.0 rotations is just called... Swivel 2.0.