UPSB v3
General Discussion / World Cup '10 - Round 3 - Results OUT!
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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 14:24:56
Website: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/
Spoiler:
Third round:
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Group A
9. PSH VS GPC- 9.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs colddi (GPC)
- 9.2 Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Twister (PSH) vs Stuhl (GPC)
- 9.3 Double 2vs2: sMiku & cLear (PSH) vs taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
GPC wins 3-0.
10. KPSA VS JEB- 10.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Skydigital (KPSA) vs forever (JEB)
- 10.1 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Nia (KPSA) vs ponkotu (JEB)
- 10.1 Double 2vs2: ZzaJae & Kipple (KPSA) vs Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
JEB wins 2-1.
Group B
11. TWPS VS BPSC- 11.1 Technical 1vs1: Speed, Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)
- 11.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
- 11.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
BPSC wins 2-1.
12. HKPSA VS THPSC- 12.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, kin (HKPSA) vs The Legend (THPSC)
- 12.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Winky (HKPSA) vs BaiMai (THPSC)
- 12.3 Double 2vs2: Mist & Tony (HKPSA) vs 8 & Dongza (THPSC)
HKPSA wins 2-1.
Detailed results
Comments
Random Themes Screenshot
Schedule
If there are no problems with round 2 judging, here is the schedule for round 3:
Themes drawn and revealed: March 6th, 2010.
Deadline to submit lineups: March 13th, 2010.
Deadline to submit videos: March 27th, 2010.
Judging Results: April 3rd, 2010.
Good Luck!
Spoiler:
Round 2
Rosters and Groups
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Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 02:20:25
good luck to HKPSA, going up against THPSC with two hands
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Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 02:38:11
THPSC is so lucky to have BaiMai. They would have gotten owned so badly if they didn't.
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Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 16:02:40
standings updated
in Group A, no spot is decided; anybody can qualify.
If KPSA and PSH both win, its possible that GPC is eliminated.
if JEB wins and GPC wins, JEB can still be top 2.
anything in between will be a qualification of GPC and KPSA or PSH.
in Group B,
THPSC is qualified for sure. But it remains to see if they can get first spot in their group.
HKPSA is eliminated for sure unfortunately. Even if they win, one of BPSC or TWPS will get the remaining spot.
The big battle here is TWPS vs BPSC. Winner advance to next round, loser go home. If there is tie, BPSC will advance because they have a 1.5 match won advantage over TWPS. -
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 15:40:43
lineups due tomorrow
received
PSH
THPSC
BPSC
HKPSA
TWPS
GPC
JEB
missing
KPSA -
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:22:21
I was hoping that THPSC would get speed so that Dongza could unleash his awesomeness. Anyway, it's sad that JEB is currently cause they won the last world cup.
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Date: Sun, Mar 14 2010 12:26:02
so
where is the line up?
i am really waiting for this
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Date: Sun, Mar 14 2010 14:37:25
lineups posted see first post
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Date: Sun, Mar 14 2010 14:47:18
Minwoo actually not up?
wow
darcy for speed omg, cna't wait
BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC) both going all out? lol, gonna be epic -
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2010 14:48:06QUOTE (AyySoLo @ Mar 14 2010, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Minwoo actually not up? wow
darcy for speed omg, cna't wait
BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC) both going all out? lol, gonna be epic
minwoo injured himself doing breakdancing -
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2010 23:55:12
Winkyï¼ŒåŠ æ²¹.
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Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 00:46:37
Really looking forward to Stuhl's creativity, Ponkotu's Aerial's, Gisele 8's Speed and BaiMai's 2 Hand (again) combos.
I hope that GPC, JEB, THPSC and BPSC get through to the next round. (they're my favorites in this competition.)
Also hope Minwoo recovers well and fast -
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 06:43:19QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 6 2010, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>THPSC is so lucky to have BaiMai. They would have gotten owned so badly if they didn't.
lol seriously haha, although they'd still make it through by winning 2 of their battles every round..i think they could still pull that off fairly easily
can't wait to see JEB vs KPSA, that looks like it's gonna be good
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Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 08:24:16
i am SUPER! excited about Stuhl's creativity combo
he's been my favourite spinner this world cup
obviously the most interesting battles (in terms of who gets to move on) is kpsa vs jeb (go jeb) and bpsc vs twps (bpsc)
would like to see good doubles vid from jeb
thpsc like 8 and dongza combo dont they? second time if i'm not mistaken -
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 19:31:54
oh shiz
HKPSA has half a chance going against THPSC
TWPS vs. BPSC is craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy -
Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 03:59:58QUOTE (hoiboy @ Mar 15 2010, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>oh shiz
HKPSA has half a chance going against THPSC
lol yeah, kin vs the legend, i think kin can win that one
2 hands; i think baimai can win that one...but winky might be able to put up a fight
as for doubles, i don't know much about what tony and 8 can pull off, but that looks somewhat even maybe...so yeah, hkpsa vs thpsc is sorta in the air right now lol (especially since peem and supawit were taken out this round..lol) -
Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 04:11:27
kin's definitely going to win his battle, and I'd say Winky's definitely going to lose unless he seriously steps things up. The doubles battle is pretty much up in the air, probably leaning towards THPSC's side.
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Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 04:52:31
thpsc doesn't need to win this battle, they can win only 1 match and be guaranteed top spot pretty much. if their top players feel like they need a rest, this is a good move for them.
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Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 04:56:43QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 16 2010, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thpsc doesn't need to win this battle, they can win only 1 match and be guaranteed top spot pretty much. if their top players feel like they need a rest, this is a good move for them.
exactly, i was thinking more along the lines of giving the other spinners some spotlight lol, but giving their top spinners a rest is another reason too i guess haha (but baimai can't rest, cause they needdd him xD) -
Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 04:58:52QUOTE (JC @ Mar 15 2010, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>exactly, i was thinking more along the lines of giving the other spinners some spotlight lol, but giving their top spinners a rest is another reason too i guess haha (but baimai can't rest, cause they needdd him xD)
It's fine for him though, he just needs to pound out power tricks with two hands and he's got it in the bag.
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Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 05:08:26QUOTE (JC @ Mar 16 2010, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>exactly, i was thinking more along the lines of giving the other spinners some spotlight lol, but giving their top spinners a rest is another reason too i guess haha (but baimai can't rest, cause they needdd him xD)
Actually I thought Supawit could spin with both hands, I remember seeing it in his second solo video. Maybe not as good as BaiMai, but I'm sure he could come up with some insane stuff.
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Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 06:45:01QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Mar 16 2010, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Actually I thought Supawit could spin with both hands, I remember seeing it in his second solo video. Maybe not as good as BaiMai, but I'm sure he could come up with some insane stuff.
but that's the thing, it's not as good as baimai's..and i guess thpsc doesn't wanna risk losing in that area by using someone else other than baimai-- i think they probably feel like they're lacking in that area a little bit with the exception of having baimai
and even so, i don't think supawit's right hand would be able to keep up with his left hand and just wouldn't complement it very well...but i guess he could always go for more assisted stuff like minwoo does -
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 08:24:02
This might be slightly off topic but i was wondering what the roster would have been for UPSB if we had made it into the WC?
And also who would do well in each category?
2 hands: Eriror
Aerial: ??
Variety: Baaron
Speed: ??
Smoothness: Pen Ninja, Mystic
Creativity: Jamie Enns
Difficulty: Vicgotgame, Jamie Enns
Control: Eriror, Vicgotgame, Ellusion67, Mystic
Body and Environment: Ellusion67
Spinless: Baaron
I'm just guessing on these things what do you guys think? -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 01:26:28
Let's take Jamie Enns out, whoever he faces will probably be better until Jamie gets a different view.
2 Hands would be Eriror
Aerial could be Ellusion67 I guess
Variety would be Baaron or Mystic
Speed would be Eriror
Smoothness would be Penja or Mystic
Creativity would be Ellusion or Chau Tran
Difficulty would be Vic or Chau Tran
Control goes to Vic, Eriror, and Mystic
Body and Environment could be Ellusion or Eriror
Spinless goes to Baaron
This is just what I see though. -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 01:30:34QUOTE (TeddyBear @ Mar 22 2010, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Let's take Jamie Enns out, whoever he faces will probably be better until Jamie gets a different view.
2 Hands would be Eriror
Aerial could be Ellusion67 I guess
Variety would be Baaron or Mystic
Speed would be Eriror
Smoothness would be Penja or Mystic
Creativity would be Ellusion or Chau Tran
Difficulty would be Vic or Chau Tran
Control goes to Vic, Eriror, and Mystic
Body and Environment could be Ellusion or Eriror
Spinless goes to Baaron
This is just what I see though.
What? None of these spinners are in the WC. -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 01:48:03QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 22 2010, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What? None of these spinners are in the WC.
They're saying IF our members got into the WC. -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 01:52:26
Ahh I should have read the post above.
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Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 23:33:23QUOTE (TeddyBear @ Mar 22 2010, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Let's take Jamie Enns out, whoever he faces will probably be better until Jamie gets a different view.
2 Hands would be Eriror
Aerial could be Ellusion67 I guess
Variety would be Baaron or Mystic
Speed would be Eriror
Smoothness would be Penja or Mystic
Creativity would be Ellusion or Chau Tran
Difficulty would be Vic or Chau Tran
Control goes to Vic, Eriror, and Mystic
Body and Environment could be Ellusion or Eriror
Spinless goes to Baaron
This is just what I see though.
dont forget you're restricted 6 spinners.
also you have a pair of technical, artistic themes per battle.
so the pair (2 hands, Speed) would be possible, and in your example, you cant use Eriror in both. So it's better to have at least 2 spinenrs per theme. -
Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 11:10:15
Doubles by HKPSA is up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HFxrOJ9PfE
Pretty cool stuff.
By the way, If say someone were to spin a pencil, use their non-master hand (like Minwoo in round 1) or others, would it be taken into consideration of the judging? -
Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 14:38:33
only if it has a beneficial effect on the appearance and quality of the spin
if you just handicap yourself for no reason, thats your loss
btw minwoo mirrored his video -
Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 14:42:09QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 26 2010, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>only if it has a beneficial effect on the appearance and quality of the spin
if you just handicap yourself for no reason, thats your loss
btw minwoo mirrored his video
But wouldn't doing these stuff help increase the difficulty of the combo, so in a difficulty match, would it help? -
Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 14:46:15QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Mar 26 2010, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But wouldn't doing these stuff help increase the difficulty of the combo, so in a difficulty match, would it help?
if you are confident it will not affect the quality of your spin maybe but the most important part is that the combo overall is good, you look at the theme after -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 07:48:03QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 26 2010, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you are confident it will not affect the quality of your spin maybe but the most important part is that the combo overall is good, you look at the theme after
yeah, that's right!
keep up your goodwork zombo xD -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 13:13:39
stuhl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7raN2y_NTrM
dongza + 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxMr2-yfzI
darcy (HOLY SHIT!!!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxyoD4ZjX_Y&feature=sub
x1213 + baoO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hqL4mVxzK4&feature=sub -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 17:36:42
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Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 19:25:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4s8pGmOAJ0
Littleboy & Voltaic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgn_R8T8wGQ
Knuckles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ptYkZ8pyM
Gisele 8
good luck twps and thanks for this awesome battle =o -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 19:26:07
Too much isolations from stuhl, but those are wicked isolations. No one does isolations like stuhl (even if it is because no one does as much isolations as stuhl).
Darcy sacrificed everything for speed. Imo, not the way to go.
Haha, I liked ponkotu. Very amusing combo. He gets an insta-win from me. -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 19:56:45
Just wanted to organize it a bit, I put up Evolution's video here too. All the underlined names are the ones with vids. I'll update this post once I receive more R3 clips or if someone posts it up first.
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Group A
PSH VS GPC
Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs colddi (GPC)
Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Twister (PSH) vs Stuhl (GPC)
Double 2vs2: sMiku & cLear (PSH) vs taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
KPSA VS JEB
Technical 1vs1: Control, Skydigital (KPSA) vs forever (JEB)
Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Nia (KPSA) vs ponkotu (JEB)
Double 2vs2: ZzaJae & Kipple (KPSA) vs Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
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Group B
TWPS VS BPSC
Technical 1vs1: Speed, Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)
Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
HKPSA VS THPSC
Technical 1vs1: Variety, kin (HKPSA) vs The Legend (THPSC)
Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Winky (HKPSA) vs BaiMai (THPSC)
Double 2vs2: Mist & Tony (HKPSA) vs 8 & Dongza (THPSC) -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 20:01:40
colddi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofDUm3wBz_4&feature=sub
as for darcy, here's his combo in 1/4 speed, some cool stuff in there other than speed actually
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZZ8sIklKZI
and holy shit, crazy speed from both darcy and gisele 8 -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 20:43:49
@AyySolo
you linked the same vid lol
round 3 is pretty intense.
I loved Stuhl's combo. very amusing to watch. my face was like this >
8's combo was a bit too spammy. Please cut down the twisted sonics
x1213's nails are too long...and it looks like someone died because the screen is so dull and grey
ponkotu- badass. loved the earspin thing. but what kind of a finisher was that? seems like you messed up
I don't see how anyone can find Darcy's spinning appealing but I guess we just have different tastes...
Gisele8's combo seems to be sped up?
I liked knuckle's finisher lol
Mist & Tony's tag was pretty insane.
Very solid spinning from both and the power tricks at the end were a bit overkill but eyepopping as well.
That is all for now. -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 21:35:39
added zzajae x kipple to JC's post
if you find other vids please post them -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 21:45:46QUOTE (SJ @ Mar 27 2010, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@AyySolo
you linked the same vid lol
round 3 is pretty intense.
I loved Stuhl's combo. very amusing to watch. my face was like this >
8's combo was a bit too spammy. Please cut down the twisted sonics
x1213's nails are too long...and it looks like someone died because the screen is so dull and grey
ponkotu- badass. loved the earspin thing. but what kind of a finisher was that? seems like you messed up
I don't see how anyone can find Darcy's spinning appealing but I guess we just have different tastes...
Gisele8's combo seems to be sped up?
I liked knuckle's finisher lol
Mist & Tony's tag was pretty insane.
Very solid spinning from both and the power tricks at the end were a bit overkill but eyepopping as well.
That is all for now.
lol, ty, fixed
and yeah, gisele 8's combo is CRAZYLY fast, considering he's using a dr.kt
darcy's got the clock there to prove his speed -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 21:52:28
added taichi & thumbs
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Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 22:26:05
Nice vids from TWPS.
Will be a very nice battle.
GG guys.
BTW, I just want you guys to stop talking about gisele's combo which could be sped up in your opinion.
This is absolutely FALSE.
His way, his natural way to spin is incredibly fast and in my opinion he is the faster spinner who has ever lived on earth
(Meetings)
If you are not able to imagine that a pen can be spun as fast, please shut up and don't post stupidities
Really liked tag team from KPSA which is really interesting.
Ponkutu is funny
@Wind : SJ and probably a lot of guys thinking about it -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 22:42:48QUOTE (LittleboyBPSC @ Mar 27 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Nice vids from TWPS.
Will be a very nice battle.
GG guys.
BTW, I just want you guys to stop talking about gisele's combo which could be sped up in your opinion.
This is absolutely FALSE.
His way, his natural way to spin is incredibly fast and in my opinion he is the faster spinner who has ever lived on earth (Meetings)
If you are not able to imagine that a pen can be spun as fast, please shut up and don't post stupidities
Really liked tag team from KPSA which is really interesting.
Ponkutu is funny
lol.. i don't think anyone is pointing out that he sped it up... -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 23:16:00QUOTE (Wind @ Mar 27 2010, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol.. i don't think anyone is pointing out that he sped it up...
you didn't read the youtube comments... -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 23:26:07QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 27 2010, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you didn't read the youtube comments...
NEVERMIND -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 00:00:46QUOTE (LittleboyBPSC @ Mar 27 2010, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Nice vids from TWPS.
Will be a very nice battle.
GG guys.
BTW, I just want you guys to stop talking about gisele's combo which could be sped up in your opinion.
This is absolutely FALSE.
His way, his natural way to spin is incredibly fast and in my opinion he is the faster spinner who has ever lived on earth (Meetings)
If you are not able to imagine that a pen can be spun as fast, please shut up and don't post stupidities
Really liked tag team from KPSA which is really interesting.
Ponkutu is funny
@Wind : SJ and probably a lot of guys thinking about it
lol no need to be all heated up
I don't really remember his spinning that much, so I just said it seemed like it.
and putting a clock somewhere there wouldve been a good idea to prevent things like this from happening in the future
look at darcy. he put a clock there even though we all know he spins hella fast -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 00:21:15
The way Darcy came to the scene was he did balisong at first, right?
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That explains for his.. err "unique" style that you would see someone trying to emulate penspinning when you first show them about it. I've never liked this way of spinning, but since he made it into the WC, it doesn't matter right? In my opinion, Darcy's alleged "spinning" follows the theme, but has no appeal besides the ending.
As for Gisele, he's been spinning that way for 3 years now? Of course you could point out some unappealing moments in Gisele's spinning, but the difference is he's actually spinning, rather than having Schizophrenic-hand orgasms. You can look through his entire Youtube and see that this is his style. Appealing? Questionable. He may have sped up ALL of his videos, but where's the proof? He's been doing this for 3 years.
Knuckles utilized more of the "Body and Environment" theme than Evolution did. Both did great, but Knuckles did better
I'll wait until the other videos are posted up to give some of my opinions.
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 00:40:13
TWPS VS BPSC
Technical 1vs1: Speed, Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)
It's hard to tell with this one, especially since both spinners sacrificed aesthetic appeal for speed. Gisele 8 won me over with his bigger variety. I'd like to see more emphasis on spinning than the theme in speed... the combo's were just ugly :/
Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
Knuckles, obviously. He had better control and had more creativity. I really liked his ideas, the bed bounce, the finisher, and especially the mirror. I can't tell what the mirror was for, but it was cool anyways. Evolution barely touched the theme at all, and his execution was subpar. He didn't bring anything new to the table.
btw, this tournament has the heaviest use of elbow pops i've ever seen
Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
IMO, BaoO/x1213 blew littleboy/voltaic away. Littleboy's cont. RA releases were the highlight of that tag, while BaoO and x1213 had an unstoppable flow of awesomeness there.
Bad lineup decisions by TWPS though, BaoO and x1213 were total overkill. -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 00:47:46QUOTE (hoiboy @ Mar 27 2010, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'd like to see more emphasis on spinning than the theme in speed... the combo's were just ugly :/
thats actually the natural speed for these spinners... they didnt have to change their style at all to fit the theme. so the combos would be similar even if there was no theme.QUOTEBad lineup decisions by TWPS though, BaoO and x1213 were total overkill.
i dont see how baoo or x1213 could have fit in any of the 2 singles so this was the right call. but i would have switched evolution with darcy to change the focus of the speed match a little bit. -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 00:51:36QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 27 2010, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thats actually the natural speed for these spinners... they didnt have to change their style at all to fit the theme. so the combos would be similar even if there was no theme.
true, but darcy sorta reverted back to his old style.
also, gisele 8 has had prettier combosQUOTEi dont see how baoo or x1213 could have fit in any of the 2 singles so this was the right call. but i would have switched evolution with darcy to change the focus of the speed match a little bit.
darcy <> evo switch would've been nice, though evo would be at a slight disadvantadge in speed
put joey in speed? (might not work out too well)
Edit: bummer for TWPS, the luck of the draw -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 02:32:10
added twister http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrG4tGSS9I
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 03:09:05
I'm unsure of the battle between Stuhl and Twister.
Stuhl had many isolations, more than his style usually incorporates. It seemed the entire video was built around his isolations. It was amusing seeing the wrist isolation and moving his hand from one end of the pen to the other quickly, but I wonder if it's still enough? I love the beginning, but I felt his isolations were repetitive. In my opinion, the whole combo itself wasn't too difficult. I think because many people adore Stuhl, he will reign above Twister.
Twister's video had some clean spreads, but the pen hitting the table was a distraction for me (he could've edited the sound out, and made it much better because something like that adverts the audience's attention, leaving it open for criticism). I felt as if I've seen his transfers before, so it was not as amazing seeing it again. There were some pauses in between his transfers to spinning as well, and the magic trick completely caught me off guard. I had to watch it a second time and I was completely baffled. Overall, it was a moderately solid combo, and with his unexpected surprise, I think the result is still a bit cloudy.
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 03:28:43QUOTE (Pandamonium @ Mar 27 2010, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The way Darcy came to the scene was he did balisong at first, right? That explains for his.. err "unique" style that you would see someone trying to emulate penspinning when you first show them about it. I've never liked this way of spinning, but since he made it into the WC, it doesn't matter right? In my opinion, Darcy's alleged "spinning" follows the theme, but has no appeal besides the ending.
As for Gisele, he's been spinning that way for 3 years now? Of course you could point out some unappealing moments in Gisele's spinning, but the difference is he's actually spinning, rather than having Schizophrenic-hand orgasms. You can look through his entire Youtube and see that this is his style. Appealing? Questionable. He may have sped up ALL of his videos, but where's the proof? He's been doing this for 3 years.
Knuckles utilized more of the "Body and Environment" theme than Evolution did. Both did great, but Knuckles did better
I'll wait until the other videos are posted up to give some of my opinions.
ARe u try to say Gisele is better?? and Darcy spinning for about 3 years too -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 04:30:50QUOTE (hoiboy @ Mar 27 2010, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>TWPS VS BPSC
Technical 1vs1: Speed, Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)
It's hard to tell with this one, especially since both spinners sacrificed aesthetic appeal for speed. Gisele 8 won me over with his bigger variety. I'd like to see more emphasis on spinning than the theme in speed... the combo's were just ugly :/
Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
Knuckles, obviously. He had better control and had more creativity. I really liked his ideas, the bed bounce, the finisher, and especially the mirror. I can't tell what the mirror was for, but it was cool anyways. Evolution barely touched the theme at all, and his execution was subpar. He didn't bring anything new to the table.
btw, this tournament has the heaviest use of elbow pops i've ever seen
Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
IMO, BaoO/x1213 blew littleboy/voltaic away. Littleboy's cont. RA releases were the highlight of that tag, while BaoO and x1213 had an unstoppable flow of awesomeness there.
Bad lineup decisions by TWPS though, BaoO and x1213 were total overkill.
I really liked the use of the mirror. The theme isn't just body but also environment. He was able to incorporate the mirror into the video (to count as the theme) while not actually incorporating it in his combo. Very clever. knuckles gets bonus rep points from me.
@Panda
The theme is creativity and both Stuhl and Twister both utilize aspects we've seen before (one focusing on isolations and the other on transfers) but they both brought something nice to the round. A really good battle I'll say.
Stuhl's opener is nice and eye-catching and I haven't' seen that done before. Looks like an indexspin with some assist from his left pinky. Quite cool. Although I'm not sure what the purpose of the left pinky is. I'd have to slow mo for further analysis. The wrist isolation was also nicely done. Stuhl uses a lot of isolations in this combo, but this one is a new one and I liked it. Had a nice aesthetic appeal to it, especially with the curve of his hand and wrist.
Twister had a solid combo with nice transfers. Nothing overly creative but it was nice...until the magic trick. That caught me off guard and I still can't figure out it was done. Quite well executed imo. Very cool magic trick. Though, as we've seen in the past, magic tricks don't seem to be awarded much points (as they wouldn't be considered pen spinning), so the winner would probably be: Stuhl. -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 06:05:08
kin (variety) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk4W6_4l9IM
Winky (two hands) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1UQh0_arjo -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 07:54:32
Uploaded and added to my other post..:
forever
sister_r + HAL
skydigital
Nia
Just missing baimai, the legend, olii, and sMiku + cLear -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 07:59:38
skydigital and forever seemed kinda disappointing
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:51:53
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 13:54:02
updated first post
we're missing
sMiku + cLear
The Legend
BaiMai (i know he already filmed yesterday but didnt upload yet, dunno)
if anybody sees those missing vids, please post the link -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 14:25:06
Just curious... What happens if people submit their videos in late after the deadline? :/
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 14:58:51
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 15:07:36
i'm just uploading smiku+clear right now, should be done very soon, sorry for the lateness
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 16:04:29
Dongza is so pro the part 0:11-0:12 was epic. I
dongza. THSPC and PSH should go to finals -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 16:18:29
@kirby
are u kidding me tony SLAUGHTERED them. -
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 16:24:45
I beg to differ
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 16:26:05QUOTE (Santa @ Mar 28 2010, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@kirby
are u kidding me tony SLAUGHTERED them.
Tony spun for more than 25 seconds in total.
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Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 01:55:22
Time to attempt reviewing w00t.
PSH vs. GPC
9.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs colddi (GPC)
---Olii: Pretty solid combo. The three wrist arounds he did were pretty nice. The ending was pretty appealing too, where he bounced the pen on the wall or something.
---coldii: Also another pretty solid combo. A LOT of spreads. The ending was pretty nice, with the hai tuas and spreads. The combo seemed to lack some variety, but overall I thought it was pretty good.
Overall: Now I understand that this is a difficulty theme, and I'm no professional spinner, but is there something else to represent difficulty without having to do a bunch of bust variations, spreads, and hai tuas? I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just wondering what else there is. In the end, I'd ave to give it to Olii, it's really close, and I just seemed to like Olii's style more. In the end, it's just opinion.
Winner: Olii (PSH)
9.2 Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Twister (PSH) vs Stuhl (GPC)
---Twister: Simply amazing, that levitate trick in the middle was just stunning. Overall it was pretty good on the difficulty and smoothness. Twister executed everything extremely well, a solid combo. The only thing I could find that was bad was his finish, it seemed like Twister had some difficulty catching.
---Stuhl: Now this combo is also impressive. I could Stuhl's hand shaking a little on some of the isolation tricks, but damn did they look nice. Not necessarily as difficult as Twister's, since Stuhl focused on creativity, which is the theme.
Overall: Another hard decision. Both Twister and Stuhl had really nice ideas, Twister with the levitation, and Stuhl with the isolations, but Stuhl just seemed to be so much more impressive. Twister had some difficulty in spinning, while Stuhl lacked a bit there. Overall, I think this comes down to opinion once again, which I hate. I'm going to give a draw, I can't say which is better.
Winner: None, Tie.
9.3 Double 2vs2: sMiku & cLear (PSH) vs taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
---sMiku & cLear: Now both of these guys worked together to form an excellent tag. They lacked a little bit on difficulty, but the combo was relatively smooth and the transfer was pretty creative. One thing I liked was that none of the spinners overshadowed another, kinda like what happened with Peem and The Legend last round.
---taichi1082 & thumbskiller: Excellent combo. The transitions were smooth, both spinners were equal in terms of air time, difficulty, smoothness, and all that other neat stuff. Not much I can say here, except making the finish a little cleaner.
Overall: taichi1082 & thumbskiller won it, they were smoother, better, and had the difficulty.
Winner: taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
Final Result: Tie 1.5-1.5
10.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Skydigital (KPSA) vs forever (JEB)
---Skydigital: There's some massive control here in this combo. The flow was really nice and some of the linkages were pretty unique like at :05-:06.
---Forever: This combo wasn't as impressive. The six or so busts kinda just made the idea of control a bad idea. The linkages were nothing special. However, the finisher was pretty nice, aside from going off camera slightly.
Overall: I think Skydigital won this round, because overall, it followed the theme more and was better in my opinion.
Winner: Skydigital (KPSA)
10.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Nia (KPSA) vs ponkotu (JEB)
---Nia: Nice aerials at the start, and using the other hand with the pinky. One thing that threw me off was the catch at :15-:16, the combo seemed to have a slight pause. At :19 Nia caught his aerial with a spiderspin, and that made up for it. Overall Nia did pretty good.
---ponkotu: As some comments mentioned, ponkotu kinda did body and environment, but that does NOT mean it was not an aerial based combo. He had a lot of air time with the pen. The ear thing he did was really smooth as well. The toss at the end where it palm spinned on his back was really cool, but I don't know if he was supposed to catch the pen or not.
Overall: I think I'd have to give it to Nia. He did stay on the theme more, and I just thought his combo seemed more appealing.
Winner: Nia (KPSA)
10.3 Double 2vs2: ZzaJae & Kipple (KPSA) vs Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
---ZzaJae & Kipple: ZzaJae had an alright start, nothing too amazing to me. He had some aerials and stuff, but ya. The triangle pass transfer was AWESOME, it was creative and well executed. The Kipple brang it home with his 1P2H.
---Sister_R & HAL: Another good combo, hurray. Anyway, Sister_R had some really good difficulty in the beginning, but he seemed to lose it in the middle. After transferring to HAL, it got really fast with some difficult tricks. It was interesting to see HAL use a different angle both times he spun. I thought it was a little weird that Sister_R only caught with a thumbaround only to "pass" HAL another pen. In the end, it was a pretty good combo.
Overall: I think this one goes to JEB, they seemed better in execution, even if their transfer wasn't as beautiful as KPSA's. JEB's combo was more difficult and faster than KPSA's, which is what gets my vote.
Winner: Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
Final Results: 2-1 KPSA
11.1 Technical 1vs1: Speed, Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)
---Darcy: Darcy had a pretty good combo, if was even a combo or freestyle I don't know. There were a couple pauses but there were some pretty quickly executed wipers. Not much I can say, it's just really fast.
---Gisele 8: Another really fast combo that I can't even dream of breaking down. Gisele 8's combo seems to have a bit more difficulty than Darcy's and it's a bit smoother.
Overall: I personally don't like the speed theme, it just looks too quick and poorly executed, but that's just me. Anyway, my vote goes to Gisele 8, for the difficulty and smoothness. The speed was equal on both competitor's sides.
Winner: Gisele 8 (BPSC)
11.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
---Evolution: Splendid combo with some nice ideas, like catching in between his hands and releasing. Evolution was pretty solid, following the theme, while keeping some pen spinning in the combo. A lot of elbow pops, which I have not grown tired of yet.
---knuckles: Okay, I just watched Evolution's video, but a mirror? That's pretty cool. Then knuckles switches perspectives along with throwing the pen from his back and catching it. I love it when he throws the pen on the bed and bounces it up. That's body and environment to the fullest.
Overall: Evolution had a good combo and all, but knuckles just took it to a whole new level. His combo was simply amazing, not saying the Evolution's was bad though.
Winner: knuckles (BPSC)
11.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
---BaoO & x1213: BaoO started off hard and smooth, so that was definitely a good plus. His part of the combo was pretty difficult and I didn't really find a flaw in it. The transition to x1213 wasn't anything special, but it doesn't have to be. The combo was pretty good, around the same level's as BaoO's. Overall, above average, but nothing jaw-dropping.
---Littleboy & Voltaic: First thing, I don't like the reverse TA at 0:17. Overall though, it was a well executed combo, with a neat transition. Littleboy was able to keep some in-combo moves in and Voltaic focused on the finishers, something I found quite appealing actually.
Overall: Yay for hard decisions, because in the end, I think this really does come down to style. In terms of difficulty, BOTH sides were pretty much equal, even if others may disagree. I'll give the vote BPSC, even for the thing Littleboy did at the beginning. I think it was executed more professionally.
Winner: Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
Final Results: 3-0 BPSC
12.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, kin (HKPSA) vs The Legend (THPSC)
---kin: Pretty nice combo, lots of variety. The smoothness was pretty good, not much to criticize.
---The Legend: The Legend had a pretty hard combo, but it seemed spammy to me, dunno why. It was relatively smooth and highly difficult, but didn't seem to follow the theme in my eyes.
Overall: kin, just because he stayed on the theme.
Winner: kin (HKPSA)
12.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Winky (HKPSA) vs BaiMai (THPSC)
---Winky: Okay, so at the beginning the combo's pretty interesting, pretty smooth 1p2h stuff. Then he pulls out the other tornado and synchronizes this, personally, I just was simply jaw-dropping. I really went "holy crap, that's amazing."
---BaiMai: So I see 4p2h, so that's DEFINITELY a good start. BaiMai slowly transitions down to 2p2h, and that was pretty wicked. Then he goes down to 1p2h, and while doing all this, everything he does is no joke, it's really difficult.
Overall: My vote goes to BaiMai. His combo was just amazing, and was on a whole other scale from Winky's. Winky's attempt was really good, but I think he did well, but BaiMai just threw up a combo that was probably the best in this entire round.
Winner: BaiMai(THPSC)
2.3 Double 2vs2: Mist & Tony (HKPSA) vs 8 & Dongza (THPSC)
---Mist & Tony: I like this combo, Mist starts off pretty light, and Tony starts to pick it up. Then Tony gives it back to Mist and he just starts busting power moves all over. One thing was that Mist overshadowed Tony, and I think it would've been nice if Tony was able to just do the peace finisher or something, giving it some sort of harmony.
---8 & Dongza: Dongza's portion of the combo was... Dongza, nothing much else to say. However, the transition was pretty nice, not creative, but good enough. 8 on the other hand could have some criticism. The overall difficulty was pretty good, and it's good that both spinners had similar styles, which is nice. The ending 8 had was kinda sloppy, it looked poorly caught.
Overall: I'd have to give it to 8 & Dongza, they seemed more coordinated. If it weren't for the transition, I wouldn't be able to decide.
Winner: 8 & Dongza (THPSC)
Final Results: 1-2 (THPSC)
I apologize greatly if I mixed up anyone's names on the doubles. -
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 03:08:07
I hate making people read my wall of texts (and refraining from using emoticons/faces), but after reviewing over the videos once again, my conclusions are:
PSH VS GPC
Difficulty: Olii (PSH) vs colddi (GPC)
Olii's combo was smooth and the swivel > palmspins were nice, but the wrist arounds were a bit excessive. Colddi had tons of spreads and power tricks, but he had to catch it in his 12 slot before setting up for his next set. Olii's busts were definitely smooth as well his whole combo, but I didn't it was enough for me to be in awe. As for colddi, sure his spreads were repetitive too, but transitioning the spreads > busts and FL TA > busts are difficult to pull off. He had to keep doing some mini combo to bring the pen to his T1 and THEN start his power tricks. Still, the theme was difficulty, and I felt colddi's combo was tougher to pull off.
Sorry to disagree Lanaro, but I think the winner was colddi.
Creativity: Twister (PSH) vs Stuhl (GPC)
I'm pretty sure most were taken by surprised from Twister's magic trick, but I saw some pauses in his transitions from his transfers to spinning. The transfers/interruptions themselves weren't significant, but were nicely executed (there was a noticeable delay at 0:13-0:14 after he caught the pen). That aside, his combo was solid, but was there enough creative aspects in it? For Stuhl, it was great. After the second time, I noticed that at the end, he caught it while crossing his fingers. As Lanaro said earlier, Twister had more difficulties in his combo, but Stuhl's was more creative (which followed them theme). Again, it's still up for debate, but I'm giving Stuhl this one.
Doubles: sMiku & cLear (PSH) vs taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
taichi1082 & thumbskiller: higher difficulty, great transitions from each other's combos, instead of "here's my combo, and here's my partner's". They made it mesh together into one powerful combo rather than a combo split between two people, you know?
Control: Skydigital (KPSA) vs forever (JEB)
I didn't like the "control" of forever's busts and ending trick. Skydigital's combo was more fluid than forever's in my opinion. If forever's busts were cleaner, it would've shown much more control in his combo. Skydigital wins this one.
Aerials, Nia (KPSA) vs ponkotu (JEB)
Nia's pinky spreads and pinky bak 1.5s to air was crazy, but ponkotu approach was very creative. If you read some comments made from other spinners of other boards, Nia's aerials were amazing, but ponkotu's creativity still captivates the audience (lol'd at zombo's comment on ponkotu's vid). Ponkotu has the popular vote as well as this battle. Winner: ponkotu
Doubles: ZzaJae & Kipple (KPSA) vs Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
Too tough to choose! Both had great transitions between spinners. KPSA had that brix-shat worthy triangle pass transition and 2p1h, but JEB had higher difficulty with those linkages.
Undecided
For group B, I'll make it short and sweet.
TWPS VS BPSC
Speed: Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)
Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
Doubles: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
HKPSA VS THPSC
Variety: kin (HKPSA) vs The Legend (THPSC)
Two hands: Winky (HKPSA) vs BaiMai (THPSC)
Doubles: Mist & Tony (HKPSA) vs 8 & Dongza (THPSC)
EDIT: I really want to hear what other people think! -
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 03:21:11
I actually liked Twister's more than Stuhl's as opinion, I suppose, after reading some other reviews. People have done isolations before (no doubt these were v.good in Stuhl's vid) but the magic trick is, as far as I know, unheard of. So if it's the same for judges, this magic trick is brand new[creative], while Stuhl's multiple isolations (is that what you call those tricks where you simulate a hinge your pen spins on? ie "wrist-isolation" @ 0:14?) are rather variations of tricks that already exist.
dit: If you can disprove Twister's levitation as unique, enlighten me! -
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:48:23
Best battle: Twister vs Stuhl (Twister wins for me)
Hardest ownage: BaiMai on Winky. -
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 13:21:33
My opinioon on who should win. (no time to type the reason out)
Group A
9. PSH VS GPC
9.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs colddi (GPC)
9.2 Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Twister (PSH) vs Stuhl (GPC) (BEST BATTLE!)
9.3 Double 2vs2: sMiku & cLear (PSH) vs taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
10. KPSA VS JEB
10.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Skydigital (KPSA) vs forever (JEB)
10.1 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Nia (KPSA) vs ponkotu (JEB)(Cool stuff from ponkotu)
10.1 Double 2vs2: ZzaJae & Kipple (KPSA) vs Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
Group B
11. TWPS VS BPSC
11.1 Technical 1vs1: Speed, Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)(near same speed but gisele has more appeal than darcy)
11.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
11.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
12. HKPSA VS THPSC
12.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, kin (HKPSA) vs The Legend (THPSC)(Why didn't the legend submit a video?)
12.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Winky (HKPSA) vs BaiMai (THPSC)(Best spinner so far BaiMai)
12.3 Double 2vs2: Mist & Tony (HKPSA) vs 8 & Dongza (THPSC) (funny miss by dongza)
Winners GPC, JEB, BPSC, THPSC -
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 14:14:54QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Mar 29 2010, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Tony spun for more than 25 seconds in total.
start nearly 1s and trasit to mist in 12
11.xxS
and start over32s and end over45S
13-13.xxS
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Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 14:22:23
Updated first post, and my post on the 2nd page with The Legend's video.
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Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 14:38:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cetTkoCzss
This was SICK~!!! -
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 15:07:04QUOTE (Savian @ Mar 28 2010, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just curious... What happens if people submit their videos in late after the deadline? :/
in the case of thpsc they've been submitting their vids late every round they will definitely be penalized next round if late again and have been warned accordingly
added prediction poll -
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 19:44:53
will there be a zip download of these vids?
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Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 20:38:44QUOTE (RdHg @ Mar 29 2010, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>will there be a zip download of these vids?
not until I go back home, on thursday. -
Date: Tue, Mar 30 2010 00:23:40QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 29 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (RdHg @ Mar 29 2010, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
will there be a zip download of these vids?
not until I go back home, on thursday.
I'll take care of it now, just give me a little bit
EDIT: I added it to the first post, but here it is again, http://www.mediafire.com/?dzfhqzimryq -
Date: Tue, Mar 30 2010 02:19:09
My Opinions on THPSC vs HKPSA
The Legend vs Kin
It appears The Legend spun for over 25 sec. and also there were a few mistakes as well as some off cam so he will be faulted there. In addition it looked like he was performing much of the same tricks. Kin had an interesting start. 234 Triangle pass was 0.o and the rest was very interesting. Almost no repeats that i could find. Winner KIN
BaiMai vs Winky
um... how do i say this? um Winky just got raped. GG. Winner BaiMai (but i feel baimai deserves a break)
Tony/Mist vs Dongza/8
Mist and Tony were great but tony span for more than 25 seconds. In addition, the end was purely tony and it was pure power which makes it seem like Mist was a very insignificant part of the tag. 8 and Dongza were very well in sync IMO. the transition was the same as last time, but it was kind of funny how he missed. Winner Dongza/8
Total: HKPSA 1 THPSC 2
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Date: Tue, Mar 30 2010 09:17:31QUOTE (RH @ Mar 30 2010, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mist and Tony were great but tony span for more than 25 seconds. In addition, the end was purely tony and it was pure power which makes it seem like Mist was a very insignificant part of the tag. 8 and Dongza were very well in sync IMO. the transition was the same as last time, but it was kind of funny how he missed. Winner Dongza/8
please note these are the opinions of a noob.
regarding mist/tony
tony threw it to mist and mist threw it straight back....
i thought that was a killing point for me
if mist did even a twisted sonic, it wouldnt have seemed so bad
baimai was crazy
ponkotu again pulls out crazy shit out of his ass
stuhl was also lovely
opposing stuhl, twister's magic trick was awesome
and darcy seemed to have had too much caffiene in his system
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Date: Tue, Mar 30 2010 20:45:29
where's upsb?
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Date: Tue, Mar 30 2010 21:31:47QUOTE (King Kommander X @ Mar 30 2010, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>where's upsb?
Umm... here?
UPSB didn't qualify for the WC I'm afraid
If you are itching for some UPSB awesomeness I'd suggest checking the UPSB tournament~ -
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 01:04:25
Round 3 Analysis
Overall, the quality of the videos has raised considerably this round, which is expected since the stakes got higher as there will be elimination. I am also glad to see other people on UPSB getting involved and expressing their opinions, even though UPSB is not part of the WC.
Third round:
Group A
9. PSH VS GPC
9.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs colddi (GPC)
A close contest. Both have their strength and weaknesses and it is not always clear what are their values. Olii has a very difficult combo. All the power tricks used are executed flawlessly, with great control and poise. One thing I really like about the combo is the symmetry of the power tricks in the middle section. The first one goes clockwise (:07) and the second one counter-clockwise (:14) in a remarkably similar fashion, which has a nice appeal. The problem lies in the structure. In the last round, I criticized him for making a power tricks showcase rather than a real combo. This problem was not rectified in round 3. The structure is so simple you can get it at first view: intro -> filler -> continuous power trick #1 -> filler -> continous power trick #2 -> filler -> finisher. The advantage of making continuous tricks is that it's really easy to see what you're doing since you're repeating it. But in terms of appeal, variety and even difficulty there is a limit to continuous tricks. The ability to link different difficult tricks in succession can significantly raise the difficulty even more. Another popular way is to insert certain tricks in between streams of continuous tricks. By doing so, both the continuous tricks and the inserted tricks are clear: the continuous tricks because they are repeated and the inserted tricks because they are being highlighted by varying the look of the combo. This is how for example Spinnerpeem can make a palmspin look very striking by inserting it in continuous flurry of hai tua, busts, etc.
colddi on the other hand makes better uses of the power tricks. For instance, the intro of the combo from :00 to :05 is the greatest sequence out of both combos combined. It combines a lot of different tricks together in a difficult fashion and when it comes to the spreads, although they look repeated, each spread is actually pushed with a different finger (spread fall?). His combo is more interesting to watch than Olii because there's more variety in the way the power tricks are being chained. The main problem is his camera. The frame rate is low making the combo very choppy. As a result, some of these subtleties, like the fingers used for spreads, are not very clear. Another problem is that his hand looks slightly unnatural during the combo. He often has his wrist cocked downwards which gives the impression he's not comfortable. In other words, he looks cramped doing his combo.
Winner: colddi, a combo which displays difficult tricks in a more interesting way.
9.2 Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Twister (PSH) vs Stuhl (GPC)
Going into this match, it was expected that Stuhl would dominate, since this is expertise. But Twister has made a surprising video and whatever the outcome of this match, Twister will have earned a lot of recognition for his performance.
For Twister to bank on a magic trick for a creativity battle is a gusty move. This is because magic is normally not considered real pen spinning, hence critics are quick to point out it is not real originality. To me, Twister just basically took this high risk idea and exploit it to the maximum; the result is the best outcome possible for magic in pen spinning we have seen so far. There are three main challenges to magic. First, execution is always all-or-nothing; if the illusion is slightly off, it makes the whole thing pointless so execution has to be perfect. In this combo, the magic trick is spotless. Second, magic tricks are typically limited in function to disappearing pens, the common magic used being invisible tricks. Twister offers us a different type of magic which floats the pen instead of making it disappear. Finally, magic tricks are hard to transition in and out of. This is because they typically require some setup or manipulation to make the illusion perfect. As a result, they often interrupt the flow greatly or take too much time to execute. Twister however makes some great transitions for his trick. The two handed manipulation didn't take too long to place the pen, and the hands movement to make the pen roll looks stylish and sets his hand in the correct position to grab the pen and continue the combo.
Because he has overcome those challenges that have plagued previous uses of magic, I believe Twister has just set a new standard in PS that future combos using magic will have to follow. Whether you like magic or not, the creativity in this combo is undeniable because breaking new grounds and redefining niche genres is what creativity in Pen Spinning is all about.
Stuhl also sets a new standard for a different family of tricks which is isolation. In particular, I am referring to the lovely wrist isolation :14 and the push that follows. It is very difficult to get a very round rotation yet he makes it look easy. The sea-sick at :08 can also be considered a form of isolation (using the glowsticking definition) which is nicely done (the pen moves barely). Other elements of interest include the assisted spin transfer in the beginning: I believe the left pinky is used to transfer the TA spin unto the index finger. To do so without losing smoothness requires a ridiculous amount of precision to place that finger exactly on the COP of the pen and have the correct weight touch to only guide the spin and not stop it. The two-handed table transfer was alright at :07, although I think the pen should have a more circular rotation (the pen was “lifted†during the transfer, losing that circle shape). The isolation at :18 could have been omitted; with the high quality isolation that was just presented, this one feels unecessary as the point has already been stated. Instead, I would have looked to try and bump the pen in the opposite rotation, since the current spin has been generated by a very cool wrist push. The finisher is also very interesting, it contains some nice looking hybrids followed by an aerial with a very difficult and impressive catch, although I believe Stuhl missed it. I think he intended to cross the index and the middle AND cross the ring and the pinky, with the pen held between 34, but he only managed to cross 12.
For Twister, the whole combo is very nicely executed, except for the finisher, but he did recover that nicely. His combo has less interesting elements than Stuhl, but still some good ones like the wristaround, which is similar to the arm flip by s777 in WT09, the two-handed spin at :09 looks nice but done before by Minwoo. The intro and finisher are nothing special, but does balance the combo nicely.
So in the end, I believe that Twister made the greatest contribution to PS with his magic trick out of both combos; however Stuhl overall does have more unique elements spread out. Everytime I watch both combos, my opinion seem to change on who is better as I discover new things, so the most fair is to call a Tie.
9.3 Double 2vs2: sMiku & cLear (PSH) vs taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
For sMiku & cLear, I liked the video, I thought both spinners have different style, yet their pace matched well together. For cLear, I liked the beginning although I believe he could have gotten a better jump from the fist push at :07. I thought however the two hand at :13 unnecessary; the pen barely moved or touch the left hand, I consider it a fairly big mistake. The other problem I have is with the transfer. The letter idea is fairly common, but hasn't been really developped. This particular use of this transfer is not so good; it takes too long to bring the letter in and put the pen in. Furthermore, the toss at :32 is half-hearted and obviously fake. He throws it with no energy, it's quite obvious it landed just outside the screen. Not convincing at all. I believe there is some potential to the letter idea that people have not used yet. For example, why not do an aerial with the pen landing inside the envelope?
The transfer at sMiku's side is not so great either. After opening the letter, it's quite obvious there is a cut before the real combo begins at :38. Although editing is allowed in the transfer, this cut disrupts the flow and is quite distracting, especially since the combo has already started before the transition is over. His combo is a bit on the safe side and focus on solid execution. It does have some nice moment like :55 to :58 which thought looked real good.
thumskiller & taichi1082 made a nice, balanced video. What I like the most about it is that both spinners are capable of great power tricks and they have arranged their video such that they can put together power tricks in succession but because they coming from different spinners, it does not appear repetitive. In particular, the 2nd and 3rd videos looks awesome and although they are both based on hai tua or some variation of it, their respective style makes those similar sequences executed in different ways and look more varied. Both do have some noticeable technical problems though. Another problem is that the transfers where often cut short on the receiving ends so it didn't look like the pen landed in their hands.
Winner: thumbskiller & taichi1082, really liked what they shown and how they arranged their videos.
GPC wins 2.5-0.5, which would qualify them in first place in Group A.
10. KPSA VS JEB
10.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Skydigital (KPSA) vs forever (JEB)
This battle is quite one-sided. When you finish looking at both combos, Skydigital's give you the impression of fulfilment and feels complete; forever's on the other hand feels like it's too short and missing something. Yet, both are roughly 15 seconds in length. This is because Skydigital delivered a much more focused and tightly organized combo than forever. Each trick is meaningful and executed perfectly either to reinforce a sequence of tricks or to vary the look. In particular, I like the section from from :06 to :10 where the sudden direction change announces the start of a new idea following a dense and fast introduction. This new section is composed of longer rotations and slower spinning which adds another dimension to the combo. The pace then quickens again naturally to bring the combo to the finish. The combo displays a fast-slow-fast pattern which also quite common in music as well. It goes without saying that in terms of control this combo is perfect and Skydigital is able to make the pen do exactly what he wants at all time.
forever on the other hand seems to wander a lot in his combo. There are “silences†in between pre-determined elements (like the busts) where the pen seems to be doing nothing at all and just waiting to go into the next big trick. The finisher starting at :12 is also poorly controlled and brings to a halt a combo with a lot of holes.
Winner: Skydigital, easily.
10.1 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Nia (KPSA) vs ponkotu (JEB)
I am a little bit perplex about Nia's combo. There are certainly a few elements worth noting: I like :03 to :07, with the nice transition to the spreads and the waterfall-like trick. But the combo seems incoherent, I have a hard time understanding what he is trying to do with the combo as a whole. The only part that really makes sense to me is :16 to :18, where he executes twice the same aerial, but lands with different positions. Even then, I thought the aerials were not so great because it seems like he's putting a lot of effort launching the pen but it doesn't to go very high. The ending is very abrupt feels like the combo should go on. The pace is terribly uneven and changes speed too often and too much. Both in the theme and overall, I don't think this combo even approaches an accurate representation of the potential of the elements shown.
As for ponkotu, I feel like he got a bit carried away due to the last round. Even though this combo is probably more suitable for BnE, it does not mean that it does not follow Aerials; in fact it does quite a good job at it. The problem however is that its most interesting elements are not aerials. The eararound is awesome and I really like it; probably one of my favourite moment of this round. The kneespin is also very difficult to get stable. The actual theme elements themselves are not so great tough; the best aerials are probably the ones featured at the beginning. In particular, the ending is completely failed; I guess he was supposed to make the pen spin on his back and stop at his neck or something, but we can't see anything. His right hand looks clumsy hanging out of his back and his left hand scrambles to reach for the pen. It's not even clear if that should even be considered part of the combo. As for actual spinning tricks, it's pretty average; the part at :17 where the pen is really deep in his fingers don't look good at all.
Winner: ponkotu, simply because he respected the theme more and due to the highlight tricks like eararound and knee spin and largely due to the fact that Nia's combo is confusing and does not really follow the theme all that well.
10.1 Double 2vs2: ZzaJae & Kipple (KPSA) vs Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
I believe KPSA's double is singlehandedly ruined by ZzaJae: unsmooth, no flow, incomplete rotations (:02), the pen moves all over the place during the whole combo and is only steady for the triangle pass transfer... Kipple did OK though. The triangle pass 234 to start off was really sweet. The problem is his really bad smoothness caused by his 2p1h. It seems to 2p1h to artifically increase his difficulty, but the 2 pens are not actually that useful because the whole combo can basically be performed with 1 pen only. The added difficulty of holding an additional pen only impedes his performance by blocking his other pen and losing smoothness.
For JEB, finally a decent double video! By far their best double, but not without flaws. The biggest one is the transfer at :33; first of all there's no landing so it doesn't even look like a transfer. Second, the transfer is immediately stopped and thrown back which is retarded. The transfer back is not even anything fancy, just a simple throw, so really that was just a waste of time. Still the rest of the video looks very good, my favourite moment being from :29 to :31.
Winner: Sister_R & HAL, best double by JEB and worst double by KPSA so far.
JEB wins 2-1 and could possibly complete the comeback to qualify for the semi-finals!
Group B
11. TWPS VS BPSC
11.1 Technical 1vs1: Speed, Darcy (TWPS) vs Gisele 8 (BPSC)
Going in this match, I knew it was not going to be one of my favourites because I don't really like the spinners in it. Nevertheless you have to respect these guys ability to generate an insane amount of spin. The key to the victory I believe is the quality of the speed. This quality comes from the sources used to generate speed, which are different for these spinners.
In the case of Darcy, most of his speed comes from his fingers and hand. He has the ability to move his fingers and hand very fast and make the spinning look very busy. However, I believe it doesn't always work. I find the finisher from :18 to the end oddly appealing because it looks like the moving fingers and pen blend in together and the boundaries of the hand and of the pen are blurred. However at other times, this style totally doesn't work like at :08 to :10 where it quite obviously look like random flailing of the arm just to make it look faster. If Darcy could somehow only distill the best parts of this style, it has the potentially of being interesting and very unique. As for the combo itself, it is mainly variations of infinities, the most notable highlight being some kind of middle-finger swivel at :12 which stands out a lot. There are also a lot of unsmooth moments where the pen is just stuck and he uses his speed to cover up the mistake, much like distortion can cover up wrong notes played on an electric guitar.
For Gisele 8, this is probably one of the rare combos I like from him. His speed comes from very compact and fast rotating tricks and I believe the quality of this type of speed is higher than what Darcy presented. The reason I like this combo is that it is well structured; the tricks link well together. The only problematic section is :03 to :07 which is a bit too long, it could have been cut in half. I also like the fact that many tricks stand out, for instance the finisher, but also a beautiful triple infinity section at :11.
Winner: Gisele 8, much more appealing.
11.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Evolution (TWPS) vs knuckles (BPSC)
We can see that Evolution is not really comfortable with this theme and avoided it as much as possible. There is no environment at all, and the body tricks are fairly limited. The ones that are present are fairly standard and not all of them are well executed (:07 - the roll is shaky). The theme seems to have even affected his regular spinning, which is normally very sound: the sequence from :12 to :16 is weak. I do like however the aerial at :15 and the finisher.
knuckles did well. His technique is very good although at some places it looks like the pen is sliding from his fingers or he's stretching to make a catch. The slip at :05 could have been avoided. The one at :15 is actually very convenient because it sets him up right on top of the bed for the bounce. What I like a lot about this combo is that it not only respects the theme in the literal sense; by integrating tricks using the body and environment into his combo (such as the nice bed bounce at :15 or the knee roll at :13), but he is also exploiting the whole environment space. Pen spinning tend to be very fixed, using only a portion of the screen and leaving huge chunks of space completely unused during videos. Here, knuckles makes use of the whole viewable space by adding a mirror which gives a second angle on his combo, but also by moving his position during the combo to dynamically adjust the view and offer the best possible angle for the currently performed trick. It makes his spinning more vibrant and interesting, but requires carefully planning and preparation to understand when and where to move during the combo. Finally, the finisher should also be mentionned as a very nice trick to close the combo. This is my favourite combo this round.
Winner: knuckles, very convincingly.
11.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs Littleboy & Voltaic (BPSC)
Very solid effort by BaoO & x1213, I like this one even more than the first round. BaoO makes a well executed combo with great organization; the tricks are all linked in a beautiful manner. The transition is simple but effective. x1213 picks where he left without skipping a beat at the same pace. Although the transition is very natural, x1213 will soon differ from BaoO by offering very long rotations compared to BaoO's very compact style. I like :19-:22 a lot, especially the pass 24-12 done at the very tip of the pen. There's really no weakness to be found in this video.
Littleboy starts the video very aggressively with some nice tricks but I believe as his combo goes on he seems to fade a little bit. At some point it seems like he's not sure he can continue handling the pen and he has to completely stop the pen to regain control at :22. Still there's nice tricks to be found in that combo, including the inverse shadow at :18, really like how that one looks. The transition is fast which is good since it's also very clear. Voltaic seems to struggle at the beginning but quickly recovers. From :42 onward, he really starts to get monstruous. A much better combo from him than in round 1.
Winner: BaoO & x1213, I think their video was more united, with no mistake, looks very good and more focused. BPSC did very good, but TWPS was just a little bit better.
12. HKPSA VS THPSC
12.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, kin (HKPSA) vs The Legend (THPSC)
Crazy combo from kin which has a little bit of everything; an unusual trick like triangle pass 234, smooth linkages, aerials, two-hands. The only thing missing might be infinities, but it's not a big deal. My only complaint is the second two-handed manipulation at :15 is unnecessary and disrupt the flow (I really liked the first one where he touches the pen lightly). My favourite moment is when the pen spins on top of the base of his thumb at :12 while he's already moving his hand anticipating the next trick, it looks really nice and controlled.
The Legend didn't make a bad combo at all. His style complements the other spinners on his team quite well. He uses some very nice hybrids and understands how to link tricks together. Just the beginning looks really nice, with the two direction changes at the pinky which are perfectly frozen just enough to give a pause effect. He does have a few execution problems where the pen gets stuck. The problem is that he doesn't do enough to follow the theme. Although he does have a lot of great links and little spam, his spinning stays on the lower section of his hand far too long. As proof, note that his thumb is barely used. This will limit his possible tricks a lot and thus variety.
Winner: kin, both great combos but kin is better overall and on theme.
12.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Winky (HKPSA) vs BaiMai (THPSC)
I always feel like Winky's spinning is unpolished. His combo certainly looks prepared and planned in advance, but for some reason he doesn't seem to have that “professional†look to really make his combo shine. It always look slightly clumsy. The combo itself does have some nice elements and follow the theme quite well. The transfers between the hands are smooth, I really like the one at :03 where it crosses over his arm. But overall, the execution doesn't seem perfect, there are hesitations and pauses throughout.
BaiMai made a great combo. He expanded on his round 1 video by including all disciplines of two-hands, he even went beyond regular 2p1h and shows off some 4p2h. The transitions from 4 pens to 2 pens is great, but I didn't like the transition to 1 pen where he just simply stopped spinning on the left hand. The highlight of the combo has to be the incomprehensible arm bounce :21 which really looks like it was a fluke.
Winner: BaiMai, pretty easily.
12.3 Double 2vs2: Mist & Tony (HKPSA) vs 8 & Dongza (THPSC)
Mist and Tony made an interesting video, with both spinners focusing on their specialty. The result is very high quality, although you do feel some disconnect between the two spinners, but that's mostly due to their camera. I like that Mist started his combo with continuous-looking tricks to feed off the momentum created by Tony. I thought however the second at :29 unncessary, because he already did one before that, and Tony does a lot of them already (since he's quite good at them). The second transition is nice with the karate chop, never seen that before. The last part by Tony is the best part of the video and is simply quite insane.
For THPSC, it is again a very average double video. I have not liked any of their double videos so far, it seems to be their weakness. It hasn't affected them yet, but they will have to find a suitable pair since the competition will get a lot tougher from now on. Dongza made an amazing combo as always, it's really wonderful to see how he can manage to generate tons of huge rotations with such great speed. From :16 to the finish at :21 it is quite stunning. The transfer however is very weak; Dongza basically failed his first attempt and had to throw it again. I didn't like 8's part. The camera didn't help, but what I don't like the most was the excessive amount of hand movement, especially with the continuous tricks he's doing, which require steadiness. It's just very hard to focus on what he's doing.
Winner: Tony and Mist, the quality of their video is more consistent.
HKPSA wins 2-1, which is a slight consolation from being eliminated. -
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 01:16:34
Zombo and I almost had the same results except for I was undecided between Double 2vs2: ZzaJae & Kipple (KPSA) vs Sister_R & HAL (JEB)
Re-watched it and like Zombo said, JEB's doubles dominated, although I'm still admiring Kipple's triangle passes/2p1h action -
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 17:32:38
created a playlist of the videos
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=24BCDFB59AAC58A7 -
Date: Thu, Apr 1 2010 00:24:26
Group A
9. PSH VS GPC
9.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs colddi (GPC)
I think colddi will take this one. He has more variety and linkage to his power tricks, though his subpar cam quality ruins the combo. Olii had an appealing combo, but his power tricks amounted to continuous palm turns of some sort and fl fingerarounds. A shame, though, since Olii actually had a really nice combo going there.
9.2 Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Twister (PSH) vs Stuhl (GPC)
Stuhl overdid it on isolations. Isolations are nice, but if please don't make them your entire combo. I would just stick to the nontable isolations, such as the wrist one (O.o). Also, the isolations were sorta sloppy, the pen shook a lot. Twister had a very nice combo, including the magic trick that was executed nicely. He's not really bringing anything new to the table besides that though. In the end, Stuhl > Twister for better ideas. That's about it :/
9.3 Double 2vs2: sMiku & cLear (PSH) vs taichi1082 & thumbskiller (GPC)
eh... sMiku and cLear bored me a lot. wasn't really an interesting tag. taichi and ts though had eye catching transitions and the one not using a "minwoo angle" had very nice integration of power tricks.
:/ i'll do the last matchup eventually -
Date: Thu, Apr 1 2010 01:11:08
@Zombo
By and large I agree with your analysis. However, it has to be mentioned that tony spun for more than 25 seconds, which should declassify their video (quite sadly, coz it was a very good one) -
Date: Thu, Apr 1 2010 02:19:08
I have that that little bit in me that wants JEB to win semis
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Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 03:22:52
updated website
http://worldpenspinning.com/poolone.html
http://worldpenspinning.com/pooltwo.html
added download
http://upsb.info/WC10/R3/
http://upsb.info/WC10/R3/WC10R3.zip -
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 13:38:35
Gisele 8 the last air is amazing.So fast is the free fall.Is there a magnet below?
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Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 14:14:56
missing 2 judging
UPSB
HKPSA -
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 20:49:31QUOTE (AirGear @ Apr 3 2010, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Gisele 8 the last air is amazing.So fast is the free fall.Is there a magnet below?
lol -
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 18:47:58
posted results
disappointed that I didn't get UPSB judging, but the results are 99% final.
according to my math, group B is set in stone. THPSC first, BPSC second. Nothing can change that
in group A, JEB qualifies, PSH is eliminated for sure.
KPSA can only qualify if UPSB gave a 2.5-0.5 result for KPSA (2 win 1 draw), which is extremely unlikely.
The semi-finals are
THPSC VS JEB
GPC VS BPSC. -
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 20:15:34QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 5 2010, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>posted results
disappointed that I didn't get UPSB judging, but the results are 99% final.
according to my math, group B is set in stone. THPSC first, BPSC second. Nothing can change that
in group A, JEB qualifies, PSH is eliminated for sure.
KPSA can only qualify if UPSB gave a 2.5-0.5 result for KPSA (2 win 1 draw), which is extremely unlikely.
The semi-finals are
THPSC VS JEB
GPC VS BPSC.
UPSB wasn't in in the WC although I have a feeling I'm about to be Zombopwned. -
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 20:20:19QUOTE (Kirby @ Apr 5 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>UPSB wasn't in in the WT, although I have a feeling I'm about to be Zombopwned.
UPSB was in the WT, UPSB isn't in the WC though
Communities that aren't in the WC can still judge the other teams that are competing -
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 20:25:38
just got UPSB`s judging, the only difference is that colddi wins instead of draw
does not affect the semifinals qualifications at all. -
Date: Tue, Apr 6 2010 23:47:39
Can any physics buff check these facts?
From the apex of Gisele 8's aerial to when it lands in his hand, there is 0.13 seconds
At that point, velocity is 0 and acceleration is constant at 9.8 m/s^2 (ignoring air drag).
the total displacement is: 1/2 * 9.8 * (0.13)^2 = 8.8 cm
Gisele told me his aerial is 5 cm up from his hand.
Therefore the video is not sped up? -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 00:05:34
I got 8.2, but I question the accuracy of the 5cm figure ... Look on a ruler, 5cm is tiny, so is 8 cm ... It looked more than that to me
edit: and though resistance may not be much, it would make the true displacement even lower than what's claclulated, requiring more time -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 00:07:44
0.134s, not 0.13 sorry
he says his angle makes it hard to measure the distance -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 00:13:09
ok, I guess you'd need video pros to see the true distance
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Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 14:03:26
well...IMO ( as a beginner )
he just sped up in a few part of the videos...
see in round 1, gisele's tag video..when he sped up ( i mean naturally ) his play...in videos( 28s-32s) it looks like a lil bit broken..because his cam couldn't catch his speed up..
but in 3rd round...the linkages of the pen is so beautiful,although the speed faster than before..
and I thought he used the same camera..
I'm just trying to give my opinion..
thx
good luck in semi-final.. -
Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 15:59:59
hm, do you all really think, that a pro like gisele8 would speed up his video?
i think he is a honorable penspinner! so, i would never think about him cheating in such an official tournament!
everybody knows him. he will destroy his career if he would do something like that...
but indeed, it looks very strange. but as you see in darcys video, it is possible! if you believe in the clock!
because there are possibilities to make a doublescreen video. so why don't you think about darcy edited the clock into his video?!?
ever thought about something like that!
a clock is a very good alibi! but just joking i would never accuse someone! i'm believing in the good will of penspinners!
hm, i just think we should trust in the spinners!
just thinking about cheating destroys the atmosphere of this tournament...
stuhl -
Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 16:51:50
this is as funny as wearying...
sigh
i don't really care of people insulting me or something, no use ^^ (i don't know why, many from russia. )
about people that thinks this is sped up, i agree it looks.
for those people, i ll do a disclaimer soon (but im not in a hurry, cause i think i'm enough nice to do it.) with clock blabla, showing tries etc.
maybe written explaination for people who wants to read...
i think i don't have fast spin like dongza or sister_r or darcy (i tried sister_r r1 combo, i just can do it halfspeed
) but my spin got really violent moves -what is kind impressive irl => i can do tricks like pinky rev, pinky p4 , infinity reverses, charge t1rev and some sonic impulses really fast
that's why some people say i cheat only some parts of a combo
what is quite ridiculous xD
the other fact of course is cam. it's a 4-years-old webcam (Creative Webcam Instant,30 fps) what gives a smooth effect but also, i think, speed up effect... i don't know exactly how (blur,light,...) but it does not speed up the recording => im watching me on screen while spinning, not my pen , so i would'v noticed
about r3 vid, i didn't use a clock simply because it's damn ugly, and it was not asked. i thought also that my speed was "famous" enough after more than three years of agressive spin, looks like not
ok.
what looks like a problem is last aerial ... huh i asmit it's luck, i planed double ta i did fast and not high indexspread with kind of perfect catch... i was just happy and didn't think about it
but this r3 combo needed more than 15hours recording, you could at least respect that
i always used that cam, never touched the speed curve of my combos, for the 15235 times, but i guess i ll have to tell this again ...
...when i ll go even faster next year, right?
counting on you , haters
oh, and good luck gpc for semifinals =D
edit: sorry if there are grammar faults =F -
Date: Fri, Apr 9 2010 04:45:05
@gisele 8
well, it just my opinion thought( as a newbie..once again)....
And now, the truth revealed, the spinner just spoken and the reason now cleared...
The position that you won against darcy also won't change
thx a lot for the information then
Actually, because this is world cup, many spinners became serious and sensitive then, not only the player, but also the viewers..
Its true mostly the spinners here are the honourable spinner ( just like what Stuhl said)...,
But I think its good if we just try to check and give some opinions if we found something a little bit unordinary..
and the spinner also must give information and reason ( Like what Gisele did )
Its not for a particular reason ( its not like we want them disqualified,) but it just to make sure that the world cup runs fair..
I think all of us respect this World cup..^^
Good luck Spinners..U r the best! -
Date: Fri, Apr 9 2010 06:00:13
I really don't think it was an issue to discuss in the first place. The first time I saw his video, it looked like it was sped up. However, most of his video looks sped up just like Dongza (all his videos looks like it was sped up.) After you watch Gisele8 video a few times, you can see it's not sped up seriously, you'll be able to see the tiny flaws that looks normal (I'll try to get the timing another time and no offence to Gisele8, you're spinning is not crap it's great I used flawed as something to discribe those things you do that tells you that it's at the normal speed.) I never suspected him of cheating in the first place 'cause I trust him and all the honorable spinners in the PSing community. (Most of us...)
