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Serious Discussion / Racism

  1. Prince
    Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 16:52:09

    Foreword: I am not a racist, it's just that this topic annoys me. Please do not feel offended by anything said.

    Mainly this topic is related to Black Racism .vs. White Racism.
    If you feel "coloured" is offensive sorry, I prefer it than saying black.

    Okay so, of course racism is against the law and you can be improsined for it (atleast in UK not sure about US). But what do the government class as racism? To me racism is anything that specifically targets someone/a group of people based on their nationality, skin colour, religion etc.

    But for the government its something that targets anything but white. If someone says something to a "coloured" person and it is deemed offensive, they can be arrested. If someone says something to a white person... nothing happens.

    A few stories:

    At universities there are societies that people may join to show their specific interests, beliefs etc. At a university, there were societies celebrating Muslims, Blacks, Hindus etc..Only people that belong to those may join. So a boy decided to make a society celebrating being british. He was not racist, he just figured that every other race was doing it so why not. Guess what happened? He got kicked out of university and imprisoned for 3 days.


    Now I'm quite pale. Not like paper but pretty pale. A (coloured) girl called me a ghost. Now to be honest, Im not offended by words but seeing as she got my friend in trouble the other day for calling her black in a non-offensive way... I decided to get her back. I told a teacher ... and they did nothing. They said to her, why did you say it and she said because he's white and they said well that isn't nice. Thats it.

    The other day I was watching t.v and an advert came on. "BLACK AWARDS CEREMONY!". If someone made a white awards ceremony god knows what would happen.



    So right now Im pretty angry that racism only works one way and only white people can get in trouble for it.

    Please discuss your thoughts and opinions on this subject, and again, I don't mean to offend.

  2. Deutherius
    Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 18:27:56

    In our country(Czech Republic), we have lots of gypsies. I personally have nothing against them, yet. But they do cause trouble in overall - not working, taking doses from the state(not sure how to say it... you are unemployed, you take money from the state, dunno the word, you get the point), insulting, sometimes even attacking anyone whiter then they are, making ghettos and threatening others. The government does almost nothing - cause it would be taken as racism. However, when they attack someone whiter, it's not a racism, it's just taken as a normal attack. Guess what happens when someone white attacks someone black - not a normal attack, but racism, which is taken as harder crime.

    Today, I've read that our schools might have Gypsy as a volunteer language - nothing against that, yet, I'm little bit confused - it's like seeing majority of American schools teaching Czech - few Czech people do live in America, yet they adapt - speak English, work, do not cause unnecessary trouble. Why don't the gypsies just adapt? They are the ethnic minority in Czech Republic, they should act like that, imho.

    Again, I'm speaking about majority - not all of them are like that, I personally know a few gypsies who are not like the above and I respect them - but I could count them on fingers of one hand.

    And, if someone gets the wrong impression, I'm not racist or xenophobic person, or at least I don't think so, but I feel that something is wrong here.


    I wonder what would happen is a gypsy attacked a negro because of the skin color, or vice versa. Would it be taken as racism?

  3. Awesome
    Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 23:43:05

    Its called affirmative action, where groups that were discriminated in the past get favoritism now, since logically the best way to make up for racism is for more racism.

    I have seen job postings saying minority groups and women will be given preference. I have heard of government job postings saying white males need not apply.

    Yeah it sucks but its how the world is =/

  4. hoiboy
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 01:25:38

    there's a difference between "discrimination" and "celebrating heritage"

    Edit: although "celebrating heritage" is not ethnocentric

  5. AwonW
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 01:37:35

    QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 17 2010, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Its called affirmative action, where groups that were discriminated in the past get favoritism now, since logically the best way to make up for racism is for more racism.

    I have seen job postings saying minority groups and women will be given preference. I have heard of government job postings saying white males need not apply.

    Yeah it sucks but its how the world is =/

    Agreed.
    Are current governments somehow obligated to try and repent for the actions of their predecessors?

  6. Sadistic
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 06:10:08

    This is one instance where America actually out-liberals Europeans. The free speech laws in Europe are rather bad from what I can tell. There are multiple cases of people being attacked by blasphemy laws (the bullshit of the idea) in multiple European countries. This is a pretty bad example right here [link], considering how crazy some other polish laws are, but just recently there was a man [link] who may be sent to jail for drawing offensive cartoons!

    QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 17 2010, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Its called affirmative action, where groups that were discriminated in the past get favoritism now, since logically the best way to make up for racism is for more racism.

    I have seen job postings saying minority groups and women will be given preference. I have heard of government job postings saying white males need not apply.

    Yeah it sucks but its how the world is =/


    Its not that they are supposed to favorite them right off the bat, its if individuals with relatively equal qualifications are existent, the one that is belonging to a minority is preferred. There's also often quotas that need to be filled, so if there's a lot of applicants for a low-skill requirement job, its understandable for a company to post "white males need not apply". Discrimination exists in the present, affirmative action just attempts to make up for it a bit....

    QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 17 2010, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Agreed.
    Are current governments somehow obligated to try and repent for the actions of their predecessors?


    newsflash mate, prejudices exist in the present.....Don't think this means I support the actions of the people spoken of in the OP, quite the contrary, reverse racism is a problem as well, and any laws that impede on freedom of speech should be removed.....White supremacists have the right to assemble in the US, but media outlets have the right to call them fucking numbnutted fucktards as well.

    EDIT: found articlez

  7. k-ryder
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 09:31:25

    how i see it is that, yes, there are people who are off the bat prejudice other races
    in my post, i'll disregard those people

    how i see it is that the world is getting too politically correct, and too sensitive of offending anyone
    this goes for other races, but also for other minority groups, such as gays, the disabled, everyone

    and i dont think its to repent for what their predecessors have done
    it is in most cases an over reaction to stop offending anyone
    also, stuff such as film and music awards for minorities, are usually established by the minorities them selves, and can be said to be a reaction to the prejudice, but also a celebration of their culture

    and ofcourse, there are always wankers in the world, no matter what their situation, and particularly if they are part of a minority, some of these people will use the argument that "they are the minority, respect it" as an excuse to be a wanker

    i believe there will be a time where equilibrium will be achieved, no majority will be overtly racist (1930's america) nor will they be hyper-sensitive (what seems to be the trend today)
    but until then, do what you can do to either ignore it, or just explain to them (in a sincere and polite manner, otherwise it may come off as anger) that they are being over sensitive or a bit of a wanker

    also, i dont like sadistics wording of "fucking numbnutted fucktards"
    i dont think the same word should be repeated in an insult

  8. Sadistic
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 14:37:36

    QUOTE (k-ryder @ Mar 18 2010, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    how i see it is that the world is getting too politically correct, and too sensitive of offending anyone
    this goes for other races, but also for other minority groups, such as gays, the disabled, everyone



    Not so sure about this one. Recently, I think it was South Carolina, passed legislation banning any anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals in their states....Just another example of how bigotry really hasn't stopped as much as people would like to think.....

    QUOTE (k-ryder @ Mar 18 2010, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    also, i dont like sadistics wording of "fucking numbnutted fucktards"
    i dont think the same word should be repeated in an insult


    You're entitled to your opinion

  9. Dark Angel-REX
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 17:20:12

    QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 18 2010, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Its called affirmative action, where groups that were discriminated in the past get favoritism now, since logically the best way to make up for racism is for more racism.

    I have seen job postings saying minority groups and women will be given preference. I have heard of government job postings saying white males need not apply.

    Yeah it sucks but its how the world is =/


    Agreed.


    I think people are overreacting to racism especially in Japan. When I was in USA, because I said "That was the gayest movie ever" I almost got suspended for "racism" until one of the Guidance teacher defended me. One of the Asian kid who's name is "Jue" said I am "Asian Jew" and got school suspended for "racism". There was a cool black guy and cool white guy who was friend for being a rap fan, and they both started singing rap songs that contained the N word. Black guy didn't get suspended but the white guy did. Black guy was totally surprised.

    I think people overreacting to non-offensive racial words is racist.

  10. Sadistic
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 22:14:05

    QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Mar 18 2010, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    When I was in USA, because I said "That was the gayest movie ever" I almost got suspended for "racism" until one of the Guidance teacher defended me.


    Did you say it loud enough for a homosexual person to hear? Because somehow I don't think a gay person would appreciate you using the word "gay" as a derogatory term (nor do I). Obviously you were using the word to mean "stupid" rather than "homosexual", but the fact that stupid and homosexual are now interchangeable has got a lot of people angry. btw, I think the word your looking for is "discrimination", not racism.

  11. Awesome
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 22:23:05

    QUOTE (Sadistic @ Mar 18 2010, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Its not that they are supposed to favorite them right off the bat, its if individuals with relatively equal qualifications are existent, the one that is belonging to a minority is preferred. There's also often quotas that need to be filled, so if there's a lot of applicants for a low-skill requirement job, its understandable for a company to post "white males need not apply". Discrimination exists in the present, affirmative action just attempts to make up for it a bit....

    The fact that there are quotas to fill shows my point, companyies have to hire people to fill these quotas even if they aren't as qualified as another person from another race.

    Also do you really think thats the right way to correct discrimination? There should be a focus on eliminating discrimination, not trying to make more of it to "counter act" existing racism, two wrongs don't make a right.

  12. Sadistic
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 22:36:40

    QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 18 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    The fact that there are quotas to fill shows my point, companyies have to hire people to fill these quotas even if they aren't as qualified as another person from another race.

    Also do you really think thats the right way to correct discrimination? There should be a focus on eliminating discrimination, not trying to make more of it to "counter act" existing racism, two wrongs don't make a right.


    Companies have to fill these quotas only if its a low skill requirement job (as in, anyone is well qualified). This isn't to make up for past discrimination, its to make up for the discrimination of other companies.

    Of course this doesn't correct discrimination (unless you consider forced desegregation as counting towards correcting discrimination, which I would), but it levels the playing field.

    How do you propose we correct discrimination? Thought crime? I don't think so....

  13. Awesome
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 22:50:25

    QUOTE (Sadistic @ Mar 18 2010, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Companies have to fill these quotas only if its a low skill requirement job (as in, anyone is well qualified). This isn't to make up for past discrimination, its to make up for the discrimination of other companies.

    Of course this doesn't correct discrimination (unless you consider forced desegregation as counting towards correcting discrimination, which I would), but it levels the playing field.

    How do you propose we correct discrimination? Thought crime? I don't think so....

    University admissions can be influenced by affirmative action, thats hardly something everyone is qualified for. Also many government jobs are like that, which pay a decent rate, that shouldn't be rewarded to someone because they are a minority.

    Also proponents of affirmitive action often fail to recognize that minority groups are "under represented" because of social-economic factors, not discrimination. Employers should bear no responsibility because certain groups fail to educate themselves to the standards of society.

    My solution is just spread awareness it is a crime to discriminate based on stereo types. If someone can bring a case with ample evidence to actually prove they were being discriminated against the courts can handle it with sever punishments, no successful business will take that risk.

  14. Sadistic
    Date: Thu, Mar 18 2010 23:11:16

    QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 18 2010, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    University admissions can be influenced by affirmative action, thats hardly something everyone is qualified for. Also many government jobs are like that, which pay a decent rate, that shouldn't be rewarded to someone because they are a minority.


    Quotas can only be implemented if there are observed instances of discrimination in the past, so rarely do either of these have government mandated quotas to fullfill. Many colleges have their own quota system, but those are only to put non-minority students on hold. So like, if 80% of the non-minority students had already been accepted, the school might try to fill its 20% quota attempt of minorities before accepting any more non-minority students. If the quota isn't filled, the left-over spots would be given to the non-minority students.

    QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 18 2010, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Also proponents of affirmitive action often fail to recognize that minority groups are "under represented" because of social-economic factors, not discrimination. Employers should bear no responsibility because certain groups fail to educate themselves to the standards of society.


    If someone shows evidence of being less qualified than another person, they will not get the job regardless if they are a minority. If a minority person is equally qualified for the position though, the employer chooses the minority person, because a large number of employers won't choose the minority person due to prejudices against that particular minority.

    QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 18 2010, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    My solution is just spread awareness it is a crime to discriminate based on stereo types. If someone can bring a case with ample evidence to actually prove they were being discriminated against the courts can handle it with sever punishments, no successful business will take that risk.


    They already do this, and companies are punished with quotas.....Affirmative action is the same as your solution..... The main problem is, rarely can you actually get evidence that the employer was discriminating against the minority person (even when it is seemingly obvious that they did), because they will just claim that the non-minority person had better qualifications ["ya uh, billy bob says he got an A in algebra as a kid, so hes much more qualified than Susan, who couldn't recall what she got in her algebra class 15 years ago"]; also: other companies don't care whether or not they get in trouble, and will discriminate regardless.

  15. AwonW
    Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 00:13:29

    QUOTE (Sadistic @ Mar 17 2010, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    newsflash mate, prejudices exist in the present.....Don't think this means I support the actions of the people spoken of in the OP, quite the contrary, reverse racism is a problem as well, and any laws that impede on freedom of speech should be removed.....White supremacists have the right to assemble in the US, but media outlets have the right to call them fucking numbnutted fucktards as well.

    I don't actually understand what you're trying to say. I realize that prejudices exist in the present. Are you trying to say that you're in support of affirmative action?

  16. Sadistic
    Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 01:03:23

    QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 18 2010, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I don't actually understand what you're trying to say. I realize that prejudices exist in the present. Are you trying to say that you're in support of affirmative action?


    I'm saying that affirmative action isn't in place because " current governments [are] somehow obligated to try and repent for the actions of their predecessors", but because "prejudices exist in the present".

  17. Dark Angel-REX
    Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 19:08:58

    QUOTE (Sadistic @ Mar 19 2010, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Did you say it loud enough for a homosexual person to hear? Because somehow I don't think a gay person would appreciate you using the word "gay" as a derogatory term (nor do I). Obviously you were using the word to mean "stupid" rather than "homosexual", but the fact that stupid and homosexual are now interchangeable has got a lot of people angry. btw, I think the word your looking for is "discrimination", not racism.


    yea i guess.


    The problem is, that's not the word I was looking for. I was almost suspended for "racism", not "discrimination". I said that to the guidance teacher too. I said wouldn't that be "discrimination"? But teachers answered "no if you were to be suspended it'll be for racism". I was like, huh?

  18. k-ryder
    Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 23:52:10

    i really think they should start looking into context

    this eg/ is purely hypothetical
    say akin to a previous eg/, i have a black friend
    we both like rap, so we happen to say the n word while reciting
    or, we're so good friends that he doesn't mind me calling him n word
    now, obviously, not everyone will like me saying that, but if its only between us two, i'm sure ignorance is bliss here
    i'm not discriminating against the whole race, i'm just taking a word from their discourse and using it

    but i think the attitude to racism is abit more relaxed in australia
    which can be a both good and bad thing
    the good is that you wont get jailed for some of these out-of-context "racism"
    but the bad is that (not all people, but some) people are extremely racist

  19. Dark Angel-REX
    Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 15:58:36

    yea same with Japan. It's much more loose here.

  20. Sadistic
    Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 22:26:24

    I think its treated as a big deal in the US because we have had so much of it....I mean, we have got to be by far the most ethnically diverse country in the world. At least we don't have the shitty libel laws that so many Euro countries have....

  21. Kirby
    Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 11:45:42

    Heres my opinion,

    Black people used to be discriminated against. and now they have a very unfair advantage in my opinion. For example every year black people have "Black bike week". when they do it, it's OK. Now if we caucasions have white bike week all kinda of shit and controversy will come up. Also there is some scholarships for only black people. And companies somtimes have to give the black person the advantage over a equaly capable white canidate. Also most black people are fine with the term "black" others insist on being called african americanm, yet those same people call caucasians "white". I dont make them call me german American or European American. I'm just a white cracker. Just recently (couple of years ago) 4 out of the 9 supreme court judges said "its time that we give everyone equal right and opportunities, blacks have had a unfair discrimination in U.S and they've had their unfair advantages in the past 50 years (estimate), now it is time to make it all even. Unfortunatly 4 out of 9 is not majority. Yet 3 judges said the time will come very soon to end "advantages". In my school racism exsists every day, if me and a black kid do the same thing, hes gonna get in a lot more trouble. Why? Principles think "oh hes a black kid, he must have bad behavior and not care". I have many black friends some who I can call Nigger and they wont care. Others will get pissed off if I say black. In Africa the blacks are running out the whites. They have unfair laws and taxes against white people. Whites took the land from the blacks and now the blacks are "taking" it back. For example, When a white man wants to sell property he must first offer it to the government for a uncredably low, unfair price. The government always has the option to sell the land to a black man. Racism exists and it will continue to exist. But I feel the blacks are decriminated against, but also have advantages. It all sort equals out.

    EDIT: I agree completely with Prince. But they also have many unfair, disadvantages in this world.

  22. Prince
    Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 16:19:45

    QUOTE (Kirby @ Mar 22 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    EDIT: I agree completely with Prince. But they also have many unfair, disadvantages in this world.

    Like what? Seriously I can't think of any.

    but thanks.

  23. Kirby
    Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 19:57:33

    And any rural "redneck" white person. They hate blacks. They are incredably unfair to them and their culture. Other examples would be insurance companies giving them worse rates because they are black. My dad is a hunter and one time we went to a gun/hunting store. As you know many hunters are "rednecks" or rural white people. Because of this he dislkiked the black man and just said "I can't sell you this gun, you are black, and will use it to shoot other black gang members just like your other stupid black friends". The black guy flipped out and their was a big arguement (true story, I was appalled [spelling] when I heard him say that). Ah I really can't think of any other good examples now. But whether publically or privatly many people have thoughts and/or actions that descriminate blacks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA

  24. iMatt
    Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 08:29:18

    Racism:

    Determined by Cultural norms of that country.

    The severity of racism depends on how much emphasis is placed on equality of minorities to majorities.

    Right now in the United States the focus on equal opportunity is balanced through educational and welfare benefits.
    ====================
    Now there's nothing wrong that, but as of currently the balancing is heavily skewed on minorities. The new thing to do is to give more benefits to the minorities to gain their favoritism and make them look good in the public.

    Look at any college scholarship book. Compare an average white male to an average black male.

    If you looked through the scholarship book would you find any that would be given automatically without needing a written paper and recommendations simply because the male was white? No.

    I'm sure as hell you can look through any scholarship book and find a free scholarship because you're black, mexican, or indian. News flash. BLACK AND MEXICANS ARE BECOMING THE NEW MAJORITY IN THE USA.

    Now please tell me this isn't unfair to the average white college student.

    Am I being racist? No. I am showing that favoritism goes both ways, and currently the trend is towards the minorities oh wait, new majority.

    Equality is different than racism.
    ============================
    And regarding the slang,

    Example: The word "Nigger" is offensive because people think it's offensive. It's nothing more than an early dated French word for black. (Niger)

    Just read this: http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american...a_brief_history

    It's all relative to how much emphasis a country puts on the word being offensive.

  25. k-ryder
    Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 08:46:57

    QUOTE (iMatt @ Mar 24 2010, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    And regarding the slang,

    Example: The word "Nigger" is offensive because people think it's offensive. It's nothing more than an early dated French word for black. (Niger)

    Just read this: http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american...a_brief_history

    It's all relative to how much emphasis a country puts on the word being offensive.


    i dont think it has to do with emphasis (well, slightly) but contextuality is more imortant
    yes, nigger has been derived from a french word
    BUT, it was used to describe/label black people, and refering to them (at that time) was usually offensive
    its not the word thats offensive, its the contextual meaning behind the word
    if, say, back to colonial slave days, we refered to black people as another word, for the sake of this, "dinosaur"
    now, nigger would cease to be associated with the offensiveness
    the reason nigger in current context is deamed to be offensive is because of the historical ties with slavery etc. etc.
    just like jap is offensive to the japanese, because of the conotations to the war

    rap culture has claimed back the word nigger to some extent, making it acceptable for one African American to call another African American "nigger"
    i personally feel i want to stab any white person to use "nigger" in everyday conversation without the presense of a close black friend
    not because i deem it to be offensive, but they are a douche for trying to sound cool


    Spoiler:

    i have this guy at my school, not a close friend, but generally hang around the same cloud of people (cloud of people... i'm claiming that phrase)
    anyway, his usual greeting is "whats crackin' my nigger"
    1. youre white
    2. you dont listen to rap
    3. you're a douche
    4. fuck off
    usual response by me is not deem it a sufficient greeting and not respond
    he's one of the stubborn types that dont conceed defeat, so an argument on "why and how it makes you sound like a wigger douche" is ineffiicient
    he's also the one claiming "oh, you stole that ______, you're such an aboriginal" (note here that aboriginals have accumulated the same stealing-looting-violent stereotypes as African Americans) a non-racist comment on the grounds that the person he is saying it to is not aboriginal
    yeah, way to reinforce the stereotype, fucktard

    end of rant, you rage you .... well, its understandable

  26. Sadistic
    Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 02:25:13

    QUOTE (iMatt @ Mar 24 2010, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Look at any college scholarship book. Compare an average white male to an average black male.

    If you looked through the scholarship book would you find any that would be given automatically without needing a written paper and recommendations simply because the male was white? No.

    I'm sure as hell you can look through any scholarship book and find a free scholarship because you're black, mexican, or indian. News flash. BLACK AND MEXICANS ARE BECOMING THE NEW MAJORITY IN THE USA.

    Now please tell me this isn't unfair to the average white college student.

    Am I being racist? No. I am showing that favoritism goes both ways, and currently the trend is towards the minorities oh wait, new majority.

    Equality is different than racism.


    I'm too tired to write out a full response, but look at college rates of African Americans and Hispanics living at the same socio-economic status as other ethnicities (such as asian and white), and tell me what you find, but I'm sure you can already guess...

  27. iMatt
    Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 18:34:22

    QUOTE (Sadistic @ Mar 24 2010, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I'm too tired to write out a full response, but look at college rates of African Americans and Hispanics living at the same socio-economic status as other ethnicities (such as asian and white), and tell me what you find, but I'm sure you can already guess...



    I'm not considering the socioeconomic status. I'm considering if you look at two people without knowing their background that generally you will see other ethnicities having more benefits and opportunities financially than a white student.

    Socioeconomic levels are an entirely different issue in terms of what I'm talking about. I'm talking equal opportunity from nothing, if you factored in the socioeconomic status then you're right, not refuting that at all. (Just a different argument then what I'm presenting)

  28. Sadistic
    Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 21:48:25

    QUOTE (iMatt @ Mar 25 2010, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I'm not considering the socioeconomic status. I'm considering if you look at two people without knowing their background that generally you will see other ethnicities having more benefits and opportunities financially than a white student.

    Socioeconomic levels are an entirely different issue in terms of what I'm talking about. I'm talking equal opportunity from nothing, if you factored in the socioeconomic status then you're right, not refuting that at all. (Just a different argument then what I'm presenting)


    I get what your saying, and I agree, but the idea behind comparing people at the same socioeconomic level is just to create a control.

    If you take a random sample of peoples in a minority, the minority will have more benefits than a random sample of white males.

    If you take a random sample of peoples in a minority at about the same socio-economic level as a random sample of white males, the minority will still have more benefits.

    We agree on that. What I'm trying to say is, regardless of that minority person having greater financial advantages than the white male, and being at the same socio-economic level as that white male, that minority person is still going to statistically do worse than that white male. Not being born a white male is a social disadvantage of its own, the financial benefits just attempts to close this disadvantage.

    While yes, the middle class Hispanic kid in my calc class may be getting more financial opportunities to go to college than middle class me, I get the benefit of more math help from my white teacher who doesn't like Hispanics; its a very very ugly truth, but its still a problem that needs fixing...

  29. strat1227
    Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 02:21:08

    QUOTE (Sadistic @ Mar 27 2010, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    While yes, the middle class Hispanic kid in my calc class may be getting more financial opportunities to go to college than middle class me, I get the benefit of more math help from my white teacher who doesn't like Hispanics; its a very very ugly truth, but its still a problem that needs fixing...

    I call bullshit on that one.

    I'm not saying there are no racist teachers in the world, but A. I think they're few and far between, and B. There are at least as many, probably much much more teachers/tutoring centers/opportunities aimed specifically at minorities. The idea that a minority would ever have any trouble getting help with schoolwork is absurd

    EDIT: Also, for what it's worth, my math teacher is hispanic.

  30. Sadistic
    Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 01:42:11

    idk, my calc teacher is a pretty big fan of Rush Limbaugh lolz....

  31. AoD1
    Date: Thu, May 13 2010 21:45:56

    nigga please? but to be real their is no such thing as Racism its all how you take it as a human being. just dont let words effect you and youl be fine.

  32. Chief_Snake
    Date: Thu, May 13 2010 22:02:01

    QUOTE (Kirby @ Mar 22 2010, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    And any rural "redneck" white person. They hate blacks. They are incredably unfair to them and their culture.


    Not true. I live 2 miles from Alabama and used to live In the heart of Alabama. The stuff on tv about kkk and stuff mostly made up. There still is some racism, but, it's not prevalent like movies show

    QUOTE (Sadistic @ Mar 28 2010, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    idk, my calc teacher is a pretty big fan of Rush Limbaugh lolz....


    Sound clip of the last time rush limbaugh supported racism.

    Anyways, I support arizona's law concerning illegal Immigrants.... You can't tell me that if you were on a flight and saw a Muslim man wearing clothing that makes him look like a stereotypical terrorist you wouldn't look at him in a different way then if a white person walked on. Same thing with illegal immigrants. If a police officer pulls over a Mexican guy or a group of Mexican people that looks suspicious or don't speak English, he should have the right to detain them or ask for an ID or another way to prove they are a citizen.

    Just my thoughts.

  33. Sadistic
    Date: Fri, May 14 2010 04:30:43

    The 4th amendment is a pretty big deal I heard.

  34. miyat
    Date: Wed, May 19 2010 23:32:04

    Some people in my grade call me a jap in a racist way. It's getting annoying as monkey balls and i feel like punching them in the face several times. All i do is just say alright you racist sun of a monkey. I'm usually not to offended by racism, but it's happening a lot. I'm half white too. Yeah my school is mostly white people. I dunno i guess it's like calling someone a jew? People also call me a jew cause i look kinda jewish. I think that racist jokes just allow racism even more. Gawsh, well yeah.