UPSB v3
General Discussion / World Cup '10 - Finals - Results OUT!
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Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 02:50:12
Website: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/
Finals:
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All Vids Pack: http://upsb.info/WC10/R5/WC10R5.zip
3rd Place Battle
15. GPC vs JEB- 15.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, colddi (GPC) vs hibachi (JEB)
- 15.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Stuhl (GPC) vs ponkotu (JEB)
- 15.3 Double 2vs2: TheKOok & thumbskiller (GPC) vs Fire@fox & forever (JEB)
GPC wins 2-1.
World Championship Battle
16. BPSC vs THPSC- 16.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Littleboy (BPSC) vs Spinnerpeem (THPSC)
- 16.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Ivabra (BPSC) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)
- 16.3 Double 2vs2: knuckles & Gisele 8 (BPSC) vs Dongza & BaiMai (THPSC)
THPSC wins 3-0.
View detailed results and comments.
Final Ranking
1. THPSC
2. BPSC
3. GPC
4. JEB
5. KPSA
6. PSH
7. HKPSA
8. TWPS
9. UPSB
10. PPP
11. FPSB
12. SPC
13. BRPSB
14. VNPSB
15. SPSC
Theme draw
For this round:
- Themes that were used in the semi-finals CANNOT be used in the final games.
- Each team has the choice of selecting to BLOCK one (1) theme from the remaining six (6) themes available.
List of available themes:
Difficulty
Control
Variety
Two hands
Spinless
Aerials
You should send your choice after the results of the semi-finals are revealed so you know who your opponent is, but you can prepare in advance by planning which block you would use against which opponent.
Schedule
If there are no problems with round 4 judging, here is the schedule for round 5:
Block choice deadline: May 4th, 2010.
Themes drawn and revealed: May 4th, 2010.
Deadline to submit lineups: May 8th, 2010.
Deadline to submit videos: May 22nd, 2010.
Judging Results: May 29th, 2010.
Good Luck!
Spoiler:
Round 4
Rosters and Groups
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Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 03:39:17
Bummer, the guys battling THPSC can't block both two hands and difficulty xD
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Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 04:15:27QUOTE (hoiboy @ Apr 25 2010, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Bummer, the guys battling THPSC can't block both two hands and difficulty xD
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Date: Tue, Apr 27 2010 00:38:36QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 26 2010, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>id be more worried about aerials than two hands... its a theme thpsc has yet to see
Though i think both supawit and baimai are able to battle on this theme. -
Date: Tue, Apr 27 2010 10:41:23
If THPSC's opponent does not block out 2-hands, I think BaiMai will have to battle for all the rounds and seeing his last performance, he's definitely out of ideas. It would be smarter for them to block difficulty 'cause Peem is yet to unleash his skills. The team battling GPC might wanna' block spinless for they have STUHL!!! He might have to battle for all the rounds as well. I waslooking forward to having creativity and B/E in the finals but...
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Date: Sun, May 2 2010 14:51:11
the matchups for the finals have been set
good luck -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 16:23:51
If no one blocks two hands, then Ponkotu and Minwoo (who I assume will battle if this is a theme) will be epic
THSPC should beat BPSC. They have batter doubles, diffuculty and speed. Yet they lack creativity with Baimai running out of ideas.
I'm also hoping to see Supawit127 battle Kr4zy in smoothness. -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 16:49:35
except smoothness is not even a possible theme
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Date: Sun, May 2 2010 17:39:30
I don't think BPSC should block difficulty, Littleboy can easily compete in that. They should block spinless or Aerials instead.
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Date: Tue, May 4 2010 02:40:25
Here are the block choices
BPSC: control
THPSC: variety
GPC: control
JEB: Variety
because both battles have the same block, no choice but to use difficulty for both :/ it's no so bad because difficulty is a large theme.
Lineups are due saturday May 8
themes in first post. -
Date: Tue, May 4 2010 08:58:28
BPSC have done really well so far. They can't go all the way though and THPSC will surely win, even with aerials as one of the themes.
Thought GPC would do better than this, but they will take 3rd place over a very disappointing JEB team. -
Date: Tue, May 4 2010 09:50:34
T.T
THPSC rapes in all of the things they got... -
Date: Tue, May 4 2010 15:33:43
BPSC made wrong choice imo
obvious block choice was Difficulty because thats THPSC greatest strength.
but I think an even better choice would be to block Aerials.
this is because what you want to avoid is having Peem and Supawit127 going in the singles matches. Because if each one wins, it's 2 victories then it's game over already.
The best is to have them together in the double. Because if they win, then it's only 1 victory.
but even if you can't have them together in the double, it's still better to have one of them participating in the doubles and hope his parner drags the double down.
so if you block aerial, artistic theme must be two hands or spinless, which forces BaiMai to participates in a single match. It takes the spot away from peem or supawit. -
Date: Tue, May 4 2010 17:32:28QUOTE (Zombo @ May 4 2010, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>BPSC made wrong choice imo
obvious block choice was Difficulty because thats THPSC greatest strength.
but I think an even better choice would be to block Aerials.
this is because what you want to avoid is having Peem and Supawit127 going in the singles matches. Because if each one wins, it's 2 victories then it's game over already.
The best is to have them together in the double. Because if they win, then it's only 1 victory.
but even if you can't have them together in the double, it's still better to have one of them participating in the doubles and hope his parner drags the double down.
so if you block aerial, artistic theme must be two hands or spinless, which forces BaiMai to participates in a single match. It takes the spot away from peem or supawit.
Indeed. Those two themes heavily favor thpsc but I suppose bpsc was afraid they also wouldn't have anyone for spinless or two-hands. -
Date: Wed, May 5 2010 11:36:41
I suspect Peem will be displaying a ton of new power trick stuff in the difficulty round. (I pity the BPSC spinner for difficulty.) GPC must be quite sad as well. not much improvement from the last cup. We were all expecting them to go to the finals against THPSC. I'm thinking either Stuhl or Minwoo would go against Ponkotu for 2 hands. It'll be really cool if it's Stuhl vs Ponkotu but 'cause they have been 2 of the 3 most creative spinners for this WC but they both seriously need a break. If Stuhl battles Ponkotu and wins it'll be really awesome 'cause he would battled in and won all the WC rounds.
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Date: Wed, May 5 2010 18:19:25QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ May 5 2010, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I suspect Peem will be displaying a ton of new power trick stuff in the difficulty round. (I pity the BPSC spinner for difficulty.) GPC must be quite sad as well. not much improvement from the last cup. We were all expecting them to go to the finals against THPSC. I'm thinking either Stuhl or Minwoo would go against Ponkotu for 2 hands. It'll be really cool if it's Stuhl vs Ponkotu but 'cause they have been 2 of the 3 most creative spinners for this WC but they both seriously need a break. If Stuhl battles Ponkotu and wins it'll be really awesome 'cause he would battled in and won all the WC rounds.
If Stuhl battles Ponkotu, the winner will be the cup's mvp, that's quite exciting!
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Date: Wed, May 5 2010 20:20:03
THPSC:
Difficulty: Spinnerpeem
Aerials: Supawit127
Double: Dongza & Baimai
BPSC:
Difficulty: Littleboy
Aerials: Ivabra
Double: knuckles & Gisele8
still waiting for GPC and JEB -
Date: Wed, May 5 2010 20:22:13
THPSC is gonna OWN BPSC!!!!
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Date: Wed, May 5 2010 20:30:18
Wow! I thought BaiMai would be free from the WC because he had already done so much. Oh well More entertainment for us!!
Littleboy might be able to come up with a very difficult combo but Peem's difficulty is of an entirely new level. Smart that THPSC saved their stars for the final round. They've given themselves a really great advantage. I was really hoping to see Gisele8 battle Dongza in a speed battle but I guess this will have to do. Funny how the doubles battle corelates so well. By this I mean BPSC's speed guy is Gisele, THPSC is Dongza. THPSC's 2 hands guy or most creative spinner in the team is BaiMai and BPSC, Knuckles. this battle shoud be pretty cool. Supawit vs. Ivabra well, I don't think I need to say anything here. -
Date: Wed, May 5 2010 20:32:50QUOTE (Zombo @ May 5 2010, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>THPSC:
Difficulty: Spinnerpeem
Aerials: Supawit127
Double: Dongza & Baimai
BPSC:
Difficulty: Littleboy
Aerials: Ivabra
Double: knuckles & Gisele8
still waiting for GPC and JEB
Should be great although I feel THPSC is SLIGHTLY better in every round. I'm hoping to see spinnerpeem just blow us away with some crazy shit, although I think littleboy will make a great video and will compete. I'm predicting that littleboy will do much better compared to his skill level then peem, but peem will still win.
Aerials: I cant say much becuase I don't know much about either spinners aerials. But I will say, I'm afriad that supawit will just do aerial power tricks (busts and FL TA's), while Ivabra will do some more creative aerials. I think Ivabra will "do" the theme better but supawit will end with a better combo and win.
Knuckles and Gisele8 will be a full strong double. However both doubles have 2 spinners with totally different styles (especcially Baimai and Dongza). Baimai and Dongza will be very interesting.Will they compromise their styles in between and try to spin similar or just go for a "oppostie double". I don't know how THSPC double will turn out (either really good and not so good), so I got to give the win to Knuckles and Gisele8
So I have THSPC winning it 2-1 although I the scores could turn out 3-0 (THSPC), or 2-1(BPSC) -
Date: Wed, May 5 2010 22:31:31QUOTE (Kirby @ May 5 2010, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Should be great although I feel THPSC is SLIGHTLY better in every round. I'm hoping to see spinnerpeem just blow us away with some crazy shit, although I think littleboy will make a great video and will compete. I'm predicting that littleboy will do much better compared to his skill level then peem, but peem will still win.
Aerials: I cant say much becuase I don't know much about either spinners aerials. But I will say, I'm afriad that supawit will just do aerial power tricks (busts and FL TA's), while Ivabra will do some more creative aerials. I think Ivabra will "do" the theme better but supawit will end with a better combo and win.
Knuckles and Gisele8 will be a full strong double. However both doubles have 2 spinners with totally different styles (especcially Baimai and Dongza). Baimai and Dongza will be very interesting.Will they compromise their styles in between and try to spin similar or just go for a "oppostie double". I don't know how THSPC double will turn out (either really good and not so good), so I got to give the win to Knuckles and Gisele8
So I have THSPC winning it 2-1 although I the scores could turn out 3-0 (THSPC), or 2-1(BPSC)
Especially for how peem has been competing, peem will blow away littleboy.
supawit has shown mastery of aerials all throughout this tournament. ivabra, on the other hand, has been sketchy on aerials. He's got them down, but supawit's linkages are better in aerials anyway.
knuckles and gisele8 vs. baimai and dongza will be interesting. if you look at the match, the teams are nearly "identical", persay. Knuckles and BaiMai both come in with artistic ideas, and gisele8 and dongza work out the technical sections. I say that if gisele8 slows down and knuckles does his usual stuff, they should win. baimai is nearly out of ideas, so we finally get to see what his "regular" spinning is like. that might kill thpsc in the doubles though :/ -
Date: Thu, May 6 2010 06:36:13
maybe last round baimai was quite sure peem+supa and dongza would win, so he kept some ideas hidden for later use? *conspiracy theory*
idk, if baimai uses 2 hands stuff like he did in r1, kknuckles would be hard pressed to win. THPSC vs BPSC doubles is pretty even imo... -
Date: Thu, May 6 2010 08:26:32
REAL excited for supawit and Peems stuff. I love smooth fingerless combos
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Date: Sun, May 9 2010 03:58:29
lineups should be out soon
its the ninth in all the countries where those boards are situated -
Date: Sun, May 9 2010 04:36:52
THPSC vs BPSC
Difficulty: Wow. Both communities brought out their best player. This should be interesting, but im sure Spinnerpeem has this area covered.
Aerials: Hm Ivabra vs Supawit. Again an interesting fight. Supawit will probably pull aerials through power, not necesarrily though busts and fl fa's so he should have this area covered. Ivabra i have never seen his aerials so yeah...
Doubles: Gisele8 and Knuckles will probably blow away Dongza and Baimai. i was really hoping this round baimai would have a break but guess THPSC wont be giving their most valuable spinner a break. -
Date: Sun, May 9 2010 15:59:41
lineups out
http://worldpenspinning.com/final.html -
Date: Sun, May 9 2010 16:02:47
It really suprises me that GPC isn't utilizing Minwoo (though themes are sorta stacked against him lol)
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Date: Sun, May 9 2010 16:04:12
he's busy with school and/or injured
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Date: Sun, May 9 2010 20:45:09
minwoo broke his arm, i think after the 2nd round
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Date: Tue, May 11 2010 06:16:59
15. GPC vs JEB
* 15.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, colddi (GPC) vs hibachi (JEB)
* 15.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Stuhl (GPC) vs ponkotu (JEB)
* 15.3 Double 2vs2: TheKOok & thumbskiller (GPC) vs Fire@fox & forever (JEB)
colddi vs hibachi: i don't know much about hibachi's spinning, but from his r2 tag with forever, it seems his difficulty is not very high. colddi on the other hand is a master of spreads (although it gets boring very quickly). colddi win
Stuhl vs ponkotu: epic battle awaits xD 2 of the most creative spinners in WC10 (as well as baimai), but stuhl will need more than isolations to win this one. 50/50
TheKOok & thumbskiller vs Fire@fox & forever: forever's WC videos so far seem significantly below what he is capable of doing, but JEB tags in r1 and 2 had unsatisfactory transfers. it is possible The KOok and Fire@fox may be compared for difficulty, and thumbskiller and forever for linkages...could go both ways. -
Date: Tue, May 11 2010 06:56:16QUOTE (i.suk.at.everything @ May 10 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>15. GPC vs JEB
* 15.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, colddi (GPC) vs hibachi (JEB)
* 15.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Stuhl (GPC) vs ponkotu (JEB)
* 15.3 Double 2vs2: TheKOok & thumbskiller (GPC) vs Fire@fox & forever (JEB)
colddi vs hibachi: i don't know much about hibachi's spinning, but from his r2 tag with forever, it seems his difficulty is not very high. colddi on the other hand is a master of spreads (although it gets boring very quickly). colddi win
Stuhl vs ponkotu: epic battle awaits xD 2 of the most creative spinners in WC10 (as well as baimai), but stuhl will need more than isolations to win this one. 50/50
TheKOok & thumbskiller vs Fire@fox & forever: forever's WC videos so far seem significantly below what he is capable of doing, but JEB tags in r1 and 2 had unsatisfactory transfers. it is possible The KOok and Fire@fox may be compared for difficulty, and thumbskiller and forever for linkages...could go both ways.
Imo, colddi's gonna win his battle pretty damn easily.
Stuhl and ponkotu will be a good round. I'd like stuhl to move out of his safe zone and try something other than isolations and triangle passes, but I don't know... I'm giving ponkotu this one for now. Prove me wrong stuhl.
JEB's tags have been letting me down. If they keep doing what they've been currently doing, thekook and thumbskiller will probably win. -
Date: Tue, May 11 2010 11:18:15
I dunno' my gut feeling is telling me that Stuhl has been hiding a ton of insane stuff for a rainy day that he'll unleash them all in this battle.
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Date: Tue, May 11 2010 12:36:04QUOTEI dunno' my gut feeling is telling me that Stuhl has been hiding a ton of insane stuff for a rainy day that he'll unleash them all in this battle.
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Date: Tue, May 11 2010 13:36:06QUOTE (Stuhl @ May 11 2010, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>xD
By the way I hope that both you guys stick to the theme other than rely on creativity cause thats mainly what Ponkotu has been doing plus you guys have been the most creative spinners (including BaiMai). -
Date: Sat, May 15 2010 19:56:46
videos are due next saturday
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Date: Thu, May 20 2010 19:51:15
Ibravas video is out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w3Ayuk2ID4
Confirmed win for Supawit (as said by ibrava) -
Date: Thu, May 20 2010 21:34:37QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ May 20 2010, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ibravas video is out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w3Ayuk2ID4
Confirmed win for Supawit (as said by ibrava)
where's supawit video? -
Date: Fri, May 21 2010 06:19:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n0SKiiwwZk
supawit's video -
Date: Fri, May 21 2010 06:49:24
supawit wins obviously, ibrava sucks = = his transfers are very bad..sure win for supawit...but i give props for ibrava for challenging supawit
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Date: Fri, May 21 2010 07:07:14QUOTE (Clyde @ May 21 2010, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>supawit wins obviously, ibrava sucks = = his transfers are very bad..sure win for supawit...but i give props for ibrava for challenging supawit
agreeeeee
not many aerials in ivabra's combo..
also he use two hands
supawit will win -
Date: Sat, May 22 2010 14:20:36
ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoYOpBGxNB8
spinnerpeem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rShM1Y2Rw -
Date: Sat, May 22 2010 14:27:39
lol peem
Me : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73EkPCiAFhI
Worst combo of my World Cup clips, sorry for that =/
No time (Studies)
Peem Epic. -
Date: Sat, May 22 2010 14:38:38
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Date: Sat, May 22 2010 15:05:06
WTF, peem, stuhl, ponkotu.... just wtf
this is going to be one hell of a round.
Oh, and Littleboy, I actually liked your combo a lot. great job! -
Date: Sat, May 22 2010 15:13:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-D2pzjCo9g hibachi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo129OL6H1w jeb double
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH9Z5dpYYcE dongza/baimai
missing:
thek0ok and thumbskiller
gisele8 and knuckles -
Date: Sat, May 22 2010 16:53:17
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Date: Sat, May 22 2010 21:36:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjd5aQLJr_U
bpsc double
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Date: Sat, May 22 2010 22:05:45
I gotta say dongza and baimai's double wasn't terribly exciting. I didnt like the editing
all though the spinning was quite good.
I also think that Stuhl beat Ponkotu for one reason; the theme was 2 hands not 2 hands, 1 back, 1 head and 1 toe. Stuhl focused on the theme while Pokotu just did some creative stuff. Don't get me wrong, Ponkotu's video was great but Stuhl stuck to the theme (Ponkotu only did like 3 seconds of 2 hand spinning). Win for Stuhl.
Also Peem vs. Littleboy: I'm sorry but Peem dominated with diffuculty (as expected), Littleboy did good but Peem definentely won. And he invented a new powertrick Wrist Haitua.gif)
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Date: Sat, May 22 2010 22:20:24QUOTE (Kirby @ May 22 2010, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Also Peem vs. Littleboy: I'm sorry but Peem dominated with diffuculty (as expected), Littleboy did good but Peem definentely won. And he invented a new powertrick Wrist Haitua
That was invented by pyralux a while ago. -
Date: Sat, May 22 2010 22:41:28QUOTE (AwonW @ May 22 2010, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That was invented by pyralux a while ago.
woops never mind then. It was the first time I've seen it
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Date: Sun, May 23 2010 04:54:15
Oh man, stuhl totally did more than I would have expected. Loved the exploration of 2p2h (which has been largely left alone) and it's all done really well. Execution is great. Only negative comment is the lackluster finisher. My favorite combo this round.
Some really good combos this round, as expected from the wc finals! JEB did better than I thought.
Thai doubles were really damn nice although bpsc put up a good fight, thais taking this match. And I loved littleboy's combo, but peem...well, peem redefined difficulty. How can you stand up to that? And supawit is well... he's supawit. Imo thpsc is taking this 3-0.
I give stuhl the win for his battle with ponkotu. Both have a nice level of creativity but stuhl's was higher and better executed and all the more pleasing to watch.
Hibach had a nice fl around > spin fall that he screwed up on at the end, but it was a nice try; Coldii's high level of difficulty was executed flawlessly on the other hand. Always fun to watch coldii spin. -
Date: Sun, May 23 2010 05:45:05
ohhhhhhhhhhh supawit combo is very beautiful,i like this.
dongza&baimai tag is amazing,so good!
peem punkan*5 so crazy!! -
Date: Sun, May 23 2010 07:23:12
lol, peem's naming is catching on
would have called it wristbust personally
my full analysis when gpc doubles come out, but thai doubles was amazing -
Date: Sun, May 23 2010 14:28:33
Cool stuff from everyone but Ponkotu... Very sad man. I'll do the same as k-ryder and analyse the final round after the gpc doubles is out. This world cup has brought about so many new stuff which is awesome.
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Date: Sun, May 23 2010 14:36:59
Shouldn't all of GPC be out now? Isn't there a time limit?
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Date: Sun, May 23 2010 15:42:03QUOTE (darkdazh @ May 23 2010, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Shouldn't all of GPC be out now? Isn't there a time limit?
Yah but the timelimit isn't over yet. -
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 15:09:02
unfortunately, we can't find TheK0ok, so GPC loses the double.
website updated http://worldpenspinning.com/final.html
first post updated
results to be revealed this saturday in the podcast. -
Date: Tue, May 25 2010 06:11:11
GPC vs JEB
colddi (GPC) vs hibachi (JEB)
colddi hands down. not that he was terribly overpowering, but hibachi didn't have a decent video
the lighting made it hard to see the black pen, and he went off screen alot
Stuhl (GPC) vs ponkotu (JEB)
just to be clear, the theme is used as a tie breaker correct?
ponkotu again had a crazy combo, probably more perfect for BnE theme, but a good combo none the less
but stuhl just came out with a combo that made me want to cry because he was so good
2h2p isolations, 2 pen infinities.... ridiculously good
the ending was a little anticlimatic, but a magnificent combo none the less
TheKOok & thumbskiller (GPC) vs Fire@fox & forever (JEB)
auto win for jeb, but i didn't exactly like the jeb combo either
the crab was cute (
), but the parts after that were either sloppy (tranisition out of crab into pen bust to the catch) or plain uninteresting (powertricks)
also, the second spin transition was a bit weird, not sure what went wrong, but seemed jumpy
gpc still get third place via colddi and stuhl
maybe the doubles weren't handed in as a taunt?
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now to the all important BPSC vs THPSC
Littleboy (BPSC) vs Spinnerpeem (THPSC)
peem came out all guns blazing as expected, and also renamed the wristbust (i still maintain that it should be named wristbust)
littlyboy had (to me) a more appealing combo. i particularly liked the flush sonic/"tricky linkages" part somewhere in the middle
i'm hoping that littleboy might win, but its against high odds
Ivabra (BPSC) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)
supawit hands down
ivabra tried to put up a good fight, good combo, but i guess supa is on a different level altogether
knuckles & Gisele 8 (BPSC) vs Dongza & BaiMai (THPSC)
spinning wise, bpsc pair was on par with thai double
but the editing for the thai's was the BEST THINGS I'VE SEEN in pen spinning
well, atleast the best tag/doubles video i've ever seen
first of all, the music really gets you going
then, both spinners do the same combo, starting with an insane 2h2p infinity, then slow turny-thing (not sure what to call it)
but the turny thing was beautiful, how it rotated in perfect unison
dongza's throw, matches with baimai's jerky stop-thing (i'm blazing with the terminology today) and then in comes another pen for baimai's solo
here, baimai does great isolations, wrist arounds, and that swivel starting from the wrist
then comes dongza's solo, which is his usual glory
the use of spilt screen was probably taken from the first gpc double, but they built on it with motion keyframes in/out of the solo sections
and these transitions/movements were done so it doesn't interupt the eye
dongza's first throw makes us focus on baimai, then the screen is repositioned, but we hardly notice it
again with the transistion from baimai solo to dongza solo, and from dongza solo to the duo, it keeps your focus on the spinning and doesn't intrude with bad transitions
finally, they both spin again, and both do wonderful finishers
i kinda wished it would go on for a bit longer, both because i want to see more, and also because the music stops abruptly in a weird spot
one of the best videos of the WC
thai definitely win this tornament, even with my hopeful littleboy win (2-1)
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Date: Tue, May 25 2010 19:30:21
I'd like to start my analysis with a brief discussion about what a pen spinning combo (isn't that what's being evaluated here?) is all about. Any decent wc combo must have a set of characteristics that aren't formally declared in the rules, but are taken as common sense, things such as intro, development and finisher. When one accepts to enter a world cup, he must be ready to either play on those rules (the thais are a superb example of that) or revolutionize then (as stuhl has been doing greatly).
Now I have the feeling that certain teams weren't completely committed to this tournament, and on this round JEB did that just uglily. It seems to me that they aren't even paying attention to the cup (ponkotu has been, but wasn't on this round an exception). Every single one of their combos bears the thin line between laziness and mediocrity, most of then not having a single sense of structure. When they are asked to do difficult combos, they understand that as 'ok, i'm gonna freestyle in front of my camera for a few minutes until I pop a spread sequence or something else that looks hard'. When they are asked to do doubles, they take that as 'ok, now we can make mistakes and pretend they were a perfectly planned transition'. Seriously, I might not me able to pull off 15 spreads, but I'm not a fool. JEB's double was ridiculous, being not only below the WC level, but also below many homemade tag videos. Ponkotu, as we saw, didn't care to make a new combo for this round (even with him being able to be the tournament's MVP) but no, he just slept for two weekends and used a video that was probably filmed for the last round. hibachi's video has some nice tricks, but the quality of the spin is simply unacceptable. Just look at supawit's video for round 2 (even if the theme was smoothness) and we see the same amount of difficult done in a more professional, world class way. That being said, it's very sad that GPC couldn't send a double video, even if it was 'OK' it would be enough to get 3-0.
Now the analysis itself:
3rd Place Battle
15. GPC vs JEB
15.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, colddi (GPC) vs hibachi (JEB)
Although colddi's camera has ruined many aspects of his spinning, his greater fluency and equivalent difficulty should guarantee the win.
Winner: colddi
15.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Stuhl (GPC) vs ponkotu (JEB)
Stuhl did simply amazing wirst stricks in a very structured combo that has a nice flow to it. ponkotu's combo, although nice, as I said before was probably not filmed for this round. The theme is not the most important judging criteria, but ignoring it completely is not something to be done. Also, stuhl's combo stands better anyway.
Winner: Stuhl
15.3 Double 2vs2: TheKOok & thumbskiller (GPC) vs Fire@fox & forever (JEB), Winner: Fire@fox & forever (JEB).
Sadly GPC was also uncommitted to this tournament to the point of failing to submit a DOUBLE video (come on, eriror filmed his quarter final combo last year being really sick). JEB's double was mediocre nonetheless.
Winner: Fire@fox & forever
GPC 2-1
World Championship Battle
16. BPSC vs THPSC
16.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Littleboy (BPSC) vs Spinnerpeem (THPSC)
This seems to be the easiest round to judge, peem simply outplayed littleboy in every aspect of pen spinning. Although I like his style, the belgian got owned here badly here (probably the hardest overkill of the tournament). And once again we see how watching pyralux's videos can be a inspiration for the development of many unexpected super-power tricks.
Winner: Spinnerpeem
16.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Ivabra (BPSC) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)
Ivabra has done a nice combo, but simply not enough to make supawit smile. The thai has a nice and natural aerial style and probably is the most consistent spinner in the world (not even peem or dongza have such a efortless spinning). On the artistic side, particularly nice was the transition back to the left hand with a FL TA rev to air, putting the pen to rotate as if he had just done a IPBA.
Winner: Supawit127
16.3 Double 2vs2: knuckles & Gisele 8 (BPSC) vs Dongza & BaiMai (THPSC)
Once again THPSC showed why they are simply overwhelmingly better prepared to win this. The are not only damm good, but also very aware of what is happening in the tournament. Their combos are very appealing, and the editing follows the model of minwoo's video (round 1), but clearly improved. It almost feels as if they read zombo's review (which is very likely) and completely prepared their combos having zombo's recommendations for gpc in mind. Everything is superb: synchronization, sufficient spotlight for each spinnner, structure, difficulty, etc...
BPSC's combo is also nice, but clearly both spinners only agreed to spin the same pen and do similar stuff. Thailand's planning and execution Is on a new level altogether.
Winner: Dongza & BaiMai
THPSC 3-0 -
Date: Tue, May 25 2010 20:50:19QUOTE (Jacobä @ May 25 2010, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>16. BPSC vs THPSC
16.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Littleboy (BPSC) vs Spinnerpeem (THPSC)
This seems to be the easiest round to judge, peem simply outplayed littleboy in every aspect of pen spinning. Although I like his style, the belgian got owned here badly here (probably the hardest overkill of the tournament). And once again we see how watching pyralux's videos can be a inspiration for the development of many unexpected super-power tricks.
Winner: Spinnerpeem
THPSC 3-0
Lol
Even if I agree with you about 3-0 victory for THPSC and even if my combo is not my best clip from WC2010, I personnaly think you are totally wrong when you are speaking about the "hardest overkill of the tournament". Peem don't outplay me in every aspect of pen spinning (creativity? fingers use? 2 hands and maybe linkages difficulty?). Moreover my combo is clearly not the worst of the WC (and of this round) and a lot of people told me it was the most epic battle of this round (some talked about epic battle of the competition, which is not really true too ), so it can't be an overkill even if he will probably win with a lot of votes.
And my multiple fingercrossed Spreads 12 are probably as important in the development of power tricks as peem's "punkan"^^
Overkill pfff
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Date: Tue, May 25 2010 22:01:03QUOTE (LittleboyBPSC @ May 25 2010, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lol
Even if I agree with you about 3-0 victory for THPSC and even if my combo is not my best clip from WC2010, I personnaly think you are totally wrong when you are speaking about the "hardest overkill of the tournament". Peem don't outplay me in every aspect of pen spinning (creativity? fingers use? 2 hands and maybe linkages difficulty?). Moreover my combo is clearly not the worst of the WC (and of this round) and a lot of people told me it was the most epic battle of this round (some talked about epic battle of the competition, which is not really true too ), so it can't be an overkill even if he will probably win with a lot of votes.
And my multiple fingercrossed Spreads 12 are probably as important in the development of power tricks as peem's "punkan"^^
Overkill pfff
Ok, I must admit I submitted my review in the heat of the moment, I was absolutely bereft when I saw peem's combo, and that made my judging a little unfair to you. Peem definitively not outplayed you on every aspect of his spinning, and in fact your combo's structure and creativity is very good.
However I maintain my point that this is pretty much one sided battle (maybe not an overkill), not because he is much better than you, but rather because his combo has put difficult on a whole new level. Your combo is completely awesome, but when I try to judge from a judge's perspective, peem winning is probably the only result I can see, hence the (unhappy, I admit) use of the word 'overkill'.
It was indeed an epic battle, but in my humble opinion, and I can be surely wrong, one with a clear winner. -
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 09:00:18
Opinions time:
DISCLAIMER: No offence to any of the spinners just some constructive criticism
DISCLAIMER NO 2: I just finished my English mid years so I just used up all my English power. This entire post would probably be filled with bad english.
15. GPC vs JEB
15.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, colddi (GPC) vs hibachi (JEB)
Colddi: This combo had incredible flow!!!!! I loved how the transited from normal power tricks to reverse power tricks. His display of spreads ~ Haitua cont. was cool for the finisher. I didn't like how he went off camera a large number of times though. He should reposition hs camera seeing as he only used the bottom right side of the video area. I didn't like also that he did not use a large variation of power tricks. the spreads were all on 1 and the baks were all baks 1.5s. He could have added some, busts and variations of baks.
Hibachi: First off, bad video quality, angle, lighting and mod choice so minus marks for that because it removed a large portion of the appeal.The combo in general was just to show his palmspin~FL. around. he would have gotten a lot more points if he had did it before peem which would never have happened. That minicombo was in itself very uncontrolled and unsmooth. Other than that, it was a pretty standard combo nowhere near WC standard. The intro was nice with a smooth double midbust. It would be better if he did more of that. The finisher was rather uncontrolled.
15.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, Stuhl (GPC) vs ponkotu (JEB)
Stuhl: BEST COMBO OF THE ROUND!!! everything about it was awesome (other than the weird finisher and the slightly unstable parts)He covered many areas of 2 handed spinning such as 2p2h sync, dis-sync (or in this combo directional sync), 2p1h - 2p2h transitions, 2p2h spinless, usage of the arm and wrist area (I think I covered everything he did.)His transitions for every trick was awesome. The way he transitioned into 2p2h directional sync to 2p2h sync was incredible. It would have been more interesting if he had done more of those. All the linkages from and to the wrist was flawless. I loved how he linked from 2p1h to the spinless thing with the pen and his left hand. The 2p1h part with the wrist stall was near perfect. The pen at the wrist stall barely moved. The top reason why his comob was so insane was his fluid transitions and ow he organised the combo such that he could showcase 2 different areas of 2 hand spinning for majority of the combo. The bad part of the combo is that it had a weak ending, it had several shaky bits (slightly) and he had several pauses when he had to change linkages.
Ponkotu: Ponkotu, you disappoint me..... I was expecting some very crazy 2 handed stuff like in round 2 but you show me crazy B/E stuff. They were very cool and all but it had no link to the 2 hand theme. I did like how you used your leg bit. It would have been more relevant if you used your body as a tool to transfer the pen to the other hand. For when you transfered the pen to your back, you could have let it roll to the left hand. (it was very incredible how you controlled the pen to go back to your hand from your back.) It would have also been narly if you the leg bit had encompassed the other hand for transitions. The linkages of pens from the left hand to the right in between the two previous bits was ordinary and very under your standard.
15.3 Double 2vs2: TheKOok & thumbskiller (GPC) vs Fire@fox & forever (JEB)
I probably would have given a vote to GPCif their video had been released
Fire@Fox and Forever: I felt that both combos was used to showcase their own sets of skills but had no good synchronisation and flow. If each combo where shown individually, it would be very very good but together not so good.It's funny how Fire@Fox or Forever would have done a better job at the difficulty section than Hibachi. Fire@fox did random difficult stuff and put them together from the basketballspin to the flush sonic stuff th the morphing part to the penbust. I was not a real combo I would say Just 4 minicombos put together. The butterfly morphing to the penbust was the worst. it did not have any good segway or bad one. A lot of points have been deducted for the ending of the penbust. It was a failed combo yet it was still used. Forevers combo was not so bad. I liked how the pen landed on Forevers hand (not referring to the the middle finger) (if the pen did drop to that stall position and not that Forever purposely started at an offcam position so it made it seem that it landed there.) The ending was a bit redundant. Fire@Fox wasted a large amount of time with the finisher as Forever could have done it and in his first video with the penbust part. The second transfer was not a bad idea but badly executed. Fire@fox should have given the first palmspin more revolutions to let us see the effect.
GPC 2-1 JEB
World Championship Battle
16. BPSC vs THPSC
16.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Littleboy (BPSC) vs Spinnerpeem (THPSC)
Littleboy: You put up a very close fight with peem. I love that someone finally brought something other than creativity into this theme. it is very boring to see powertricks already. The fingrecross indexmiddle spread was cool. The sequence with the fingercross was very difficult. The flush sonic sequence was fast smooth giving your combo more points with difficulty. I loved how you secretly hid you difficulty in you subtle linkages like the palmspin rev thing. The fist right hand change was abit of a waste of a time. It did not add to the difficulty.
Spinnerpeem: Don't need to say how beautiful the combo is. I loved your palmspin ~ FL. around sequence. I don't have to say anything about the powertricks, they are ever so perfect. How you linked into and out of the wristbust was flawless. The way you did your wristbust was awesome. The grace and the flow was perfect. When Penja and Ponkotu did it, you could see the struggling they had to control the pen. I was kind of hoping however that you would have brought something new to the table. (Maybe you thought the wristbust was new?)
16.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, Ivabra (BPSC) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)
Ivabra: Good try but your way overpowered. I liked your TIS bounce thingy but your TIS looks pretty ugly (too me) so minus marks for appeal. The way you brought the 2nd pen in was not very nice. It told us that you couldn't do the same TIS bounce thing with your left hand so i'll do the rest of the combo without it. I didn't like any of the other aerial linkages because it doesn't show any difficulty and creativity. The only part I really appriceated of the combo was how you links into and out off the haitua.
Supawit127: First off, Flawless perfect combo!! First aerial trick was awesome to begin,the haitua release minus the FL. TA (in other words skipindexmiddlering pinky bust release) the flow of the spreads in the combo was cool. nice linkage from the TF' charge release to the pinkybak rev. very typical insanly smooth powertrick aerials in any supawit combo. Some very good links was the aerial into midbak and the pinky around rev. into aerial. Standard SUPAWIT ENDING!!!!!!
16.3 Double 2vs2: knuckles & Gisele 8 (BPSC) vs Dongza & BaiMai (THPSC) (My favorite battle)
Knuckles and Gisele 8: I loved the fact that in the fist 2 videos, Knuckles sped up and Gisele slowed down to make their styles sync. It had good editing and music. I liked the first linkage with the palmspin. The size of the hand, rotation of the pen, and speed of rotation was perfectly synced together. The second and third link had a bit of delay. I liked the fact that they used the same pens and how the introduced the second pen. Combowise, the combos of both spinners showed some synergy but but very strongly. The second combo of both spinners showed their strengths which was nice. Some of Knuckles tricks were weak ad shaky with the plamspin~FL. TA and the haitua release ~inverse sonic.
Dongza and BaiMai: Very united combo from the beginning to the end. The editing was awesome and it was synced slightly to the music. The first sequence with the infinity isolations and isolations was amazing the perfect unity of hand movement. after that, it got a bit weird with the different speed s going and using the same combo. Didn't look very nice. I liked how when BaiMai ended, Dongza threw the pen but I would have preferred if the throwing of the pen was in unison with the throwing of BaiMais pen. The part wher both spinners go to their solos was great. The combos did not go togther that well but they always have awesome spinning. When both spinners come back on to do the finisher it was very cool. They finished of with different types of power trick spams but synced whenever there was a haitua.
THPSC 3-0 BPSC
All the best to BPSC and THPSC
By the way, Zombo when will the polls be up? -
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 23:08:24
obout that minwoo breaking his arm, is that a rumour of what?
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Date: Fri, May 28 2010 23:19:28QUOTE (LittleboyBPSC @ May 25 2010, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And my multiple fingercrossed Spreads 12 are probably as important in the development of power tricks as peem's "punkan"^^
...only time will tell...
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Date: Sat, May 29 2010 05:35:42QUOTE (stanford cheung @ May 28 2010, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>obout that minwoo breaking his arm, is that a rumour of what?
no its the truth but he has recovered already -
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 21:01:33
results http://upsb.info/WC10/R5/results/
Final Ranking:
1. THPSC
2. BPSC
3. GPC
4. JEB
5. KPSA
6. PSH
7. HKPSA
8. TWPS
9. UPSB
10. PPP
11. FPSB
12. SPC
13. BRPSB
14. VNPSB
15. SPSC -
Date: Mon, May 31 2010 11:26:38
Thank you all things. For competition. I got a lot of experience. Both are competing with Spinner's my favorite. I was a normal child. To wield a pen is just 2-3 years, but the friends I choose to compete in this list. I must really thank you.
ps.I'm no good at English. Know only a little. Sorry, I must.
