UPSB v3

Advanced Tricks / Scissor Spin

Normal, Reverse and Inverse

  1. Sfsr
    Date: Tue, Dec 11 2007 19:12:47

    ScissorSpin Reverse?
    Inverse ScissorSpin?

    I dunno, or would the Reverse just be a Fl Fake Rev and the Inverse just a PassAround Rev with some spins?


    And how the hell do the neatly embedded videos that xshadowfire uses work?

  2. Zombo
    Date: Tue, Dec 11 2007 19:32:45

    he uses flv u have avi.

    scissor spin is subject to much confusion. It has never been clear what it is (although I think Eso's tutorial is correct) and the trick never had great inspiration. It is used as an utility trick to transition between other tricks.

    Your two videos look more like REAL tricks, first one look like a reverse TS with a different catch, second looks like a Korean Bak 1.5.

    David Weis will need to clarify this once and for all.

  3. Sfsr
    Date: Tue, Dec 11 2007 20:42:44

    I think the original ScissorSpin is kinda like how Eso does it in his tutorial, only started with the pen closer to the knuckles.

  4. sketching
    Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 01:27:08

    I've always taken Scissor Spin Reverse to just be the reverse motion, as I described in the wiki article.

    The first video has too much rotation on top of the thumb and index finger. Since Scissor Spin only has 1/2 rotation in the Halftap Normal direction, the Reverse should only start with a 1/2 rotation in the Halftap Reverse direction.

  5. iMatt
    Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 06:24:01

    wouldn't the Rev Scissor spin just be the flick?

  6. sketching
    Date: Wed, Dec 12 2007 06:41:25

    Scissor Spin has 1/2 a fingeraround + 1/2 topspin.

  7. DavidWeis
    Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 09:34:51

    QUOTE (Sfsr @ Dec 11 2007, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I think the original ScissorSpin is kinda like how Eso does it in his tutorial, only started with the pen closer to the knuckles.


    Yes, the key to this trick is to keep the pen low on the fingers touching the webbing between the fingers.

    To learn this trick individually, position the COP of the pen in the center of the palm side of your middle finger with the upper 1/3 of the pen above the finger webbing and the lower last inch of the pen resting on the side of the tip of the ring finger.
    Quickly press the index finger back and the middle finger forward while turning the palm up about 15 degrees, this will send the pen into a forward top spin. Try to get a 90 degree angle between your index and middle finger.

    If you do this scissor motion smooth and quickly you can get many top spins.

    In Eso's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umMdxSEUuDI
    he uses a soft forward tap with the index finger to push the pen like a tap trick instead of
    pressing his index finger back as he presses his middle finger forward (like opening scissors) to cause the pen to spin off the finger webbing under pressure.



    QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 12 2007, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Scissor Spin has 1/2 a fingeraround + 1/2 topspin.


    Because of the location of the pen and the angle of the spin, maybe it would be more accurate to say:

    Scissor Spin = 1/2 backaround reverse + X topspins.

    I just searched youtube for scissor spin and it looks like this weak tap technique is being propagated all over. Dang it.

  8. Teatime
    Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 13:04:47

    I don't get it. Is there a video on how to do it according to David?

  9. Sfsr
    Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 16:08:22

    As I see it, this is how the trick is done:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/Sfsr/video/x4kj...r-spin_creation

  10. DavidWeis
    Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 23:15:22

    QUOTE (Sfsr @ Mar 2 2008, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    As I see it, this is how the trick is done:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/Sfsr/video/x4kj...r-spin_creation


    Yes, that is proper scissor spin, thanks sfsr.

    I made a video today too. this is a neobak -> scissor spin 2.0

  11. Eso
    Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 23:41:35

    I don't know if I am entirely correct on this, but hear me out. I am more used to doing the Corkscrew version of the Scissor Spin. I believe there's two different versions. The proper way, which is easily seen when doing Neobak > Scissor Spin. The other is during Corkscrew. I looked through the wiki and found out that yet again, I'm not doing the Corkscrew the right way. The way I do Corkscrew is by scissoring my fingers so it achieves the top spin.
    Hence, since I believed the Scissor Spin to work as such, I decided to teach the Scissor Spin individually using the "Corkscrew" way. However, I knew that there was a different way of doing this, and it could be easily seen through Neobak > Scissor Spin. Knowing this, I decided to add both ways into my video.

    If my tutorial is propagating the incorrect technique, I'd gladly take it down and shoot another one.

  12. DavidWeis
    Date: Mon, Mar 3 2008 01:04:22

    QUOTE (Eso @ Mar 2 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I don't know if I am entirely correct on this, but hear me out. I am more used to doing the Corkscrew version of the Scissor Spin. I believe there's two different versions. The proper way, which is easily seen when doing Neobak > Scissor Spin. The other is during Corkscrew. I looked through the wiki and found out that yet again, I'm not doing the Corkscrew the right way. The way I do Corkscrew is by scissoring my fingers so it achieves the top spin.
    Hence, since I believed the Scissor Spin to work as such, I decided to teach the Scissor Spin individually using the "Corkscrew" way. However, I knew that there was a different way of doing this, and it could be easily seen through Neobak > Scissor Spin. Knowing this, I decided to add both ways into my video.

    If my tutorial is propagating the incorrect technique, I'd gladly take it down and shoot another one.


    No, I don't mean to be critical, I really enjoy your videos. This is more of an issue of the original version not having much exposure and if this is anyones fault its mine.

  13. Se7en
    Date: Mon, Mar 3 2008 01:24:04

    wow david u did pretty good even with a injured thumb wow

  14. Kebaan
    Date: Mon, Mar 3 2008 23:56:59

    so just to be sure, this would be the correct scissorspin? i couldt do it alone so i added a twisted sonic, i hope its okay..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WndIK9yQ0mU

    and what about the naming? is this scissorspin 1.0 because it spins 1 time or is it scissorspin because it spins 0.5 times more than the normal scissorspin?

  15. sketching
    Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 00:01:26

    The number amounts to the total # of spins in the trick/hybrid. Scissor Spin 1.0 is the default Scissor Spin. You were doing a Scissor Spin 1.5.

  16. Kebaan
    Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 00:04:04

    okay, thanks smile.gif and it was the real scissorspin?

  17. sketching
    Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 00:14:54

    The Scissor Spin is supposed to be pushed from the base of the fingers, rather than from the middle or the tips. So....no tongue.gif Go to any of David Weis' videos of Scissor Spin or the video on the wiki. The index and middle fingers should split apart like a pair of scissor blades, rather than a normal Fingeraround push. If the pen is at the tips of the fingers, spliting them apart won't do anything, it needs to be at the base of the fingers, the middle finger gives the push.

  18. Kebaan
    Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 00:22:44

    lol okay xD .. ill just practice, thanks for the help smile.gif

  19. Teatime
    Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 11:44:10

    QUOTE (DavidWeis @ Mar 3 2008, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yes, that is proper scissor spin, thanks sfsr.

    I made a video today too. this is a neobak -> scissor spin 2.0


    My god, he's so awesome he can still spin great with a messed up thumb.
    You deserve a vcool.JPG

  20. Sfsr
    Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 19:59:08

    Ah, I just realized. Wouldn't the "scissorspin" that is commonly used be more of a SideSpin?