UPSB v3
Serious Discussion / homophobia
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Date: Thu, May 27 2010 17:55:08
For example:
Justin Bieber
Okay, everyone's heard of him.
Most Teenage Guys say "He's Gay"
Most Teenage Girls say "OMFG I LOVE HIM" and fantasize about fucking him.
Often teenage guys think something's gay because it's slightly metrosexual/girls like it.
same thing happened with the twilight series.
But just because someone sounds like a guy is supposed to fucking sound before their voice cracks does not make them gay.
IMO, this is just displaying a superficial knowledge about singing and music.
Do I like his music? Not really. Do I think he's gay? No.
Honestly, Being a steriotypical Gay nowadays means you like almost anything that girls like
EG
A guy likes decorating, does that make him gay? No.
A guy can be as manly as Mr. T and be gay.
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Date: Thu, May 27 2010 18:32:44
Brilliant, i was gonna make a thread on homophobia. Please change the title and just use that as a little story?
People so oftenly are homophobic. They use gay as a negative term, when its something the person cant change (they cant change how they feel)
Oh my god youre so gay - whats wrong with that?
Oh my god youre so black - holy fuck racist go to prison
Is it not the same principals?
I dont really like his music, but i stick up for him when people are like hahahha justin biebers gay lololol ._____.
I consider myself metrosexual, and if anyone asks if im gay, i say yeah just to see their reaction, then i can whip them for being homophobic.
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Date: Thu, May 27 2010 18:36:17
I don't don't like him. I don't care about him. What I don't like is the hype about and around him.
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 00:37:07QUOTE (neXus @ May 27 2010, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't don't like him. I don't care about him. What I don't like is the hype about and around him.
I don't care about the hype. What I don't like are people who talk about the hype. -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 00:38:52
When people say he's gay odds are they don't mean he's homosexual
as unfortunate as it may be, gay is just an empty derogatory term, like retarded -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 00:50:11QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jun 4 2010, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>as unfortunate as it may be, gay is just an empty derogatory term, like retarded
Yeah but they had to have some base. And people get worked up over that.
But in the words of one, very intelligent YouTube user, "when did homosexuals decide that they have exclusive rights to the word 'gay'?" -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 01:01:34QUOTE (XYZaki @ Jun 4 2010, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah but they had to have some base. And people get worked up over that.
Not necessarily ... Gay could just be a retort to anything someone dislikes. Die in call of duty? That was fucking gay. Bad episode of your favorite show? GAY!QUOTEBut in the words of one, very intelligent YouTube user, "when did homosexuals decide that they have exclusive rights to the word 'gay'?"
Well that's like saying it's selfish for people to want "retarded" to be used only for mentally handicapped people ... I think there's merit to it, if you associate anything bad with "retarded" you're clearly insulting REAL retarded people in a roundabout way.
Like for example if everyone started saying "tall" as an insult even when it doesn't make sense ... if I die in halo and say "you're just tall" or something, then clearly in my mind tall is a negative thing, so it's insulting tall people
So it's an interesting point that the YouTube user made, I don't think it's valid per se -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 01:32:15
it's like someone whose name is Dick or Gay or something liek that
even though their name is proper and therefore carry no meaning, it's still associated with real words. -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 02:04:30QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jun 4 2010, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not necessarily ... Gay could just be a retort to anything someone dislikes. Die in call of duty? That was fucking gay. Bad episode of your favorite show? GAY!QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jun 4 2010, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well that's like saying it's selfish for people to want "retarded" to be used only for mentally handicapped people ... I think there's merit to it, if you associate anything bad with "retarded" you're clearly insulting REAL retarded people in a roundabout way.
You contradict yourself.
Retarded could just be an adjective for anything someone dislikes. I'm sure a good amount of people that use "gay" as an insult/retort also dislike homosexuals, are these people clearly insulting REAL gay people?
Not necessarily.
Basically, yes. Technically, no: anybody can make up any meaning for a word because nobody can stop them (obviously). Maybe they just liked the sound of the word "retarded" and wanted to use it as an insult, just because "retarded" is a medical term doesn't mean it can't have another meaning.
Arguing otherwise would require making assumptions about someone's true thoughts. Which remain unknown.
Sorry if what I'm saying doesn't make sense; I'm really drowsy right now. -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 02:11:37
calling someone gay/something gay isn't just an empty derogatory remark when you say it to someone gay. (especially if they haven't come out yet)
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 02:26:41QUOTE (XYZaki @ Jun 4 2010, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You contradict yourself.
Retarded could just be an adjective for anything someone dislikes. I'm sure a good amount of people that use "gay" as an insult/retort also dislike homosexuals, are these people clearly insulting REAL gay people?
That's my point ...QUOTEcalling someone gay/something gay isn't just an empty derogatory remark when you say it to someone gay. (especially if they haven't come out yet)
That's a case of the person on the receiving end interpreting a different meaning than the person intended.
Like if someone is short and really feel bad about it, and I say "you have a short temper" (not meaning to call them short) and they get upset about it. -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 02:32:18
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 02:37:37
i mean.... not sure where this conversation is heading but here's my 2 cents and a bit
so the word "gay" used as a comment on something negative probably stems from the previous stigma attached to homosexuality
prior the current era, homosexuality was concidered crude/immoral whatever, but basically, bad
same could be said with other derogatory terms like nigger (exuse me, if anyone maybe offended)
probably they (homosexuals) will take offense because of the original meaning attached to homosexuality being attached to the word gay (used in a negative sense)
now to what i think is on topic....
hold that thought, the ads by google on the bottom of this thread are for "gay club" and "chat gay" etc.
i find it rather amusing
anyway, i'm back (from chat gay?)
... brain isn't working, might come back later -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 09:22:50
When I call someone gay, I immediately follow it by saying, "And next you're sexually frustrated, call me."
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 10:31:22
um. is this about actual homophobia, or political correctness?
political correctness is too stupid to bother with.gif)
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 14:41:10QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jun 5 2010, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>um. is this about actual homophobia, or political correctness?
political correctness is too stupid to bother with
The problem is the two are inherently intertwined. The reason "gay" is an insult/politically incorrect is because of homophobia.
This is clearly seen because being gay is just an attribute of a person, like being tall or liking pizza, yet neither of those are common insults, because there's no stigma associated with that. -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 18:35:42
the origin maybe, but not regarding the people who use it daily. at least not all of them. that's why i don't worry about it. while the word may have been created out of homophobia, i don't believe it's used in the same respect.
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 18:41:46
Yep, very true. But the problem comes with association: it's turned into Faggot and homo and everything else, it links homosexuality with the negative connotation with the insult of "gay" or "faggot"
even though people don't actually mean homosexual when they call someone a faggot, they're still disrespecting homosexuals
Thant being said, it's a hard habit to break
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 18:49:33
i saw fat ugly lesbian couple making out at my school. im homophobic now. end of story.
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 19:00:35
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 19:10:39
i went to an arts school so homophobia was pretty scarce... idk lately im trying not to use gay as a derogatory word bc i have a lot of gay les and bi friends and i wouldn't want them to feel bad...
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Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 15:35:16
How does one define homophobia.
I think sex between 2 men is disgusting. Am I a homophobe? -
Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 15:39:58
i would say so yes
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Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 15:40:42QUOTE (neXus @ Jun 7 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How does one define homophobia.
I think sex between 2 men is disgusting. Am I a homophobe?
no, only if you have a problem with others doing it
i think broccoli is disgusting, but i don't care if others eat it. -
Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 17:09:43
My cousin is homosexual, and hes cool. Most gays are really nice and cool people, fun to hang around. But when I think of 2 guys making out or having sex, I instantly get freaked out and grossed out. Am I homophobe? and I have a problem with gays having sex or making out.....
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Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 17:27:26QUOTE (Prince @ Jun 7 2010, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i would say so yes
Why.
I am a man that is attracted to women. I like lesbians because it's 2 women. I am not attracted to men. I do not like homosexuals because it's 2 men. -
Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 17:28:08QUOTE (Kirby @ Jun 7 2010, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a problem with gays having sex or making out.....
This line is what makes someone homophobic or not.
neXus thinks the idea is gross, that just means he's not homosexual. Kirby objects to the idea of other people doing it, that makes him a homophobe.
As long as you don't care if others do it, you're not a homophobe, even if you think it's gross or whatever -
Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 17:32:27QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jun 7 2010, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This line is what makes someone homophobic or not.
neXus thinks the idea is gross, that just means he's not homosexual. Kirby objects to the idea of other people doing it, that makes him a homophobe.
As long as you don't care if others do it, you're not a homophobe, even if you think it's gross or whatever
I take back what I said. I'm fine dudes making out or having sex as long as I dont hear, see, or know about it. -
Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 18:04:04QUOTE (Kirby @ Jun 7 2010, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I take back what I said. I'm fine dudes making out or having sex as long as I dont hear, see, or know about it.
Lol that still sounds like a phobia, but in my opinion as long as you don't object to it it's not homophobia
but imagine if someone said "im fine with spiders as long as i don't hear, see, or know about them" that'd be arachnophobia lol -
Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 18:08:03
I think Strat is right, as long as you dont have a problem with OTHERS doing it, its no big deal. If you treat gay's the same, your fine.
Me being Gay, i dont take offence to people saying "That's so gay!" I've just gotten used to it. :3
It's so derogatory, people have just started taking it as the norm. Even homo's. -
Date: Mon, Jun 7 2010 20:08:13
I couldn't care less about whose gay/whose not (Unless I'm trying to date them/in a relationship with them)
I just try to avoid thinking about gay sex.