UPSB v3
Philosophy / Order of fundamentals
What defines you as a penspinner?
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 07:09:25
In what order did u learn the 3 fundamental tricks (not including fingerpass) and do you think it affected the way you pen spin now?
e.g. style?
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-Charge
-Sonic
-(a lot more between these)
-Thumbaround
--I think that learning the Charge and Sonic, far before learning the thumbaround, made me into more of a pen spinner, who relies on harmonic tricks rather then combos. I also think it inspired me to learn with my left hand (simply because i couldnt learn thumbaround in left for some reason
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 07:27:17
Moved to Philosophy, since it's more about wondering how the order effected you as a spinner.
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 07:30:07
well there certainly have been discussions (inside the RD) about whether or not the actual learning order affects your pen spinning, can't say we have found anything conclusive yet.
Nowadays there are so many info out there I don't think the order actually matters cuz you're gonna learn them all anyway in a small period of time. I think it only matters in the past, when you have a guy like David Weis who invented the backaround before learning the sonic (AFAIK), so of course all his videos revolve around that and it has affected his style...
today... not so much. at least not when the question is limited to fundies. -
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 11:39:24
Well after I learned charge, I finally found out how to do a PROPER sonic (not that one I was doing before heh). I don't see any more connections there
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 14:13:44
The only thing that I can think of is that you may like a particular trick more learning first or after a long time practicing it. Your spinning might also change from being very good at a particular trick from knowing it for so long. I first learned the sonic, and I became really good at it, because even though I could do the thumbaround, it was harder, plus I didn't like it as much.
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2007 01:04:39
well when one is deciding whether to learn the thumb around first or the sonic first, one obviously chooses the one that appeals more to him/her (at least for me that's true)
and so when you decide to learn the ta, then that means that your tricks'll be more predominant with around tricks rather than..conic (i think that's the right term) tricks like the sonic
so yes, it definitely affects what type of spinner you end up becoming
as for me, i didn't even know sonics existed when i was trying to learn the thumbaround...or else i would've definitely gone with learning the sonic first
and although i will end up falling back on ta since i'm most comfortable with that trick seeing as how i've done it for so long now, before even realizing that other tricks existed, i do try my best to go for sonic variations whenever i can
as for my order, ta>charge>sonic
reason why i learned charge first even though i liked sonic more was just cause i read that learnign teh charge could help in learning the sonic
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2007 07:19:04
hmm..
1.Charge
2.Thumbaround
Double Charge
Index Around
3.Sonic
4. Finger Pass
I dunno why my finger pass was after the double charge. -
Date: Tue, Dec 18 2007 20:58:55QUOTE (blugyblug @ Dec 18 2007, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmm..
1.Charge
2.Thumbaround
Double Charge
Index Around
3.Sonic
4. Finger Pass
I dunno why my finger pass was after the double charge.
my finger pass was after a lot of stuff >.<
i actually didn't add it in my small list in my previous post, so i'll just add it now...
thumbaround
charge
thumbaround reverse
sonic
infinity
index around
shadow
sonic reverse
twisted sonic
korean back
weis backaround
(maybe some more in between here)
fingerpass
my order may not exactly be that, but that order should be pretty close
so i'm still working on smoothening my fingerpasses right now, but i don't find it to be odd that you learn it after double charge since i find getting a good fingerpass is really a hard thing to do -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 03:50:37
Thumb Around
FIngerpass
Fingerpass Rev
Sonic
Infinity
Charge
It took me a while to learn charge. -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 04:18:45
Lessee...
1 - Thumbaround
2 - Sonic
3 - Thumbaround Reverse
4 - Charge
5 - Sonic Reverse
6 - Reverse Charge
I don't really think the order you learn your tricks affect much, well I guess it does in the beginning, but once you move onto lots of different stuff and you've mastered most of the fundamentals, you can learn more advanced tricks in different orders. Rather than learning ones that seem more simple because you learnt a certain trick before another one.
I guess it's all personal preference, like...
You could have learnt sonic-based tricks, then learn around tricks and find you like around tricks more than sonic-based tricks, so you decide to become better with around tricks. -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 04:26:32
I've been doing finger passes all my life without knowing it had anything to do with any kind of pen spinning. lol.
but... my order would have to be.
1. Fingerpass
& reverse
2. Thumbaround
3. Sonic
& reverse
Twisted Sonic
4. Charge
TA Rev
Now I can do more than I can name at one time. ^.^ -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 04:47:20
Thumbaround
Sonic
(Triangle Pass)
(Scissor Spin)
Charge
i learned the charge in two days and it was the only trick i did all day every day for about two weeks
i think that really affected the way i spin now -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 05:02:13
I agree on you that charge is a very important fundamentals.
I personally learn Thumb around and reverse first, then charges. So, I didn't even went through pressure method of a sonic.
But I skipped fingerpass, stupid of me, now that I find that fingerpass actually is useful for combos(as most people will include that) so now I got to work on my fingerpass now... Gotten abit smooth so far... -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 19:51:44
For some reason, I used to think that TA was the trick everyone started with (since that was the trick I learned first) and so that was the first thing I learned people. It affects to some extent I believe, what tricks you learn when, but not so much just the fundamentals.
If you would start out with learning shadows on the other hand would make a bigger difference.
More about trick learning order~
Since I find charge-pass based combos sweet I try to get all new PSers I know to learn tricks like Twisted Sonic and all ASAP, and let them wait with Backaround and shit :> It's fun, cause I can to some extent decide what kind of penspinners they'll become in the future. I'll try to make someone learn regular arounds instead and see what happens... -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 20:45:36QUOTE (Sfsr @ Jan 4 2008, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For some reason, I used to think that TA was the trick everyone started with (since that was the trick I learned first) and so that was the first thing I learned people. It affects to some extent I believe, what tricks you learn when, but not so much just the fundamentals.
If you would start out with learning shadows on the other hand would make a bigger difference.
More about trick learning order~
Since I find charge-pass based combos sweet I try to get all new PSers I know to learn tricks like Twisted Sonic and all ASAP, and let them wait with Backaround and shit :> It's fun, cause I can to some extent decide what kind of penspinners they'll become in the future. I'll try to make someone learn regular arounds instead and see what happens...
Sounds like your hosting some type of experiment and using humans as guinea pigs. -
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 00:49:06
1. Charge
2. TA
3. TA Rev
4. Sonic
5. Sonic Rev
6. Charge Rev
7. Fingerpass Rev
8. Fingerpass -
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 00:49:28
It obvious does affect the spinner.
Look at the people Dathroat and Asian tim taught. They look like mirrors of their teachers! -
Date: Tue, Jan 8 2008 06:51:39
learning order DEFINITELY effects the spinners own style. I developed odd tricks first and then learned fundamentals. The other part is what pen is used to learn them. I used a round #2 pencil until i discovered pen spinning. Mastering Tricks with an MX and a Dr. KT are completely different meanings, Unfortunately I went to using the Dr. KT too soon. Therefore my spinning style is much slower. There's a number of things that can really effect a spinner.
my learning order
1. Fingerpass
2. Basketball Spin(IDK HOW..just did)
3. TA
4. Neo-Sonic
5. Charge
6. Sonic
7. Sonic Rev
8. Weissan Backaround
9. Infinity
10. twisted Sonic -
Date: Tue, Jan 8 2008 07:41:33
As for mine...
1. Fingerpass T1 - 12 - 23 - 34 > Fingerpass rev 34 - 23 - 12 - T1 (I don't know what it's called,since it's not fingerpass normal nor fingerpass reverse)
2. Thumbcharge rev T1
3. TA
4. Sonic
5. TA reverse
6. Sonic reverse
7. Charge & Charge reverse
8. Bak rev
9. Bak
10. Twisted Sonic -
Date: Tue, Jan 8 2008 09:22:33
I think that is fingerpass harmonic...
my order is
1. fingerpass harmonic(as AntonWebsters described but did not went to T1)
fingerpass normal and rev
2. TA normal
3. charges
4. ta rev or sonic (they're learned in very small range time, forgot which is before which) -
Date: Tue, Jan 8 2008 15:26:58
Well, people who think the order how you learn the fundamentals affects your style will have to consider whether or not you are strong on the trick you learned first and similar tricks to it just because you learned it first.
Not all of those who started penspinning earlier are good penspinners. I believe what affects your style mainly is how much you practice some particular tricks. -
Date: Tue, Jan 8 2008 15:55:43
my order was like that:
-Thumb around
-fl TA
Then i "official" started PS after one year only doing ta and fl ta
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-charge
-tw sonic (PS: i had no idea how a sonic would work)
-Sonic
I think the learning order affects the style! I learned BA really late. . and i've never made a combo with it -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 20:34:19
my opinion is that it is better to learn the charges before start any kind of sonics.
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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 22:26:06
Charge Reverse
Charge
Sonic
Sonic Reverse
(Shadow)
(Bak)
Thumbaround
Thumbaround Reverse -
Date: Thu, Mar 27 2008 00:20:12
I learned the Sonic then Charge then Thumbaround. Don't think the order made any difference in how I'm a spinner today.
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Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 04:29:01QUOTE (blugyblug @ Dec 18 2007, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmm..
1.Charge
2.Thumbaround
Double Charge
Index Around
3.Sonic
4. Finger Pass
I dunno why my finger pass was after the double charge.
Not bad I learned these tricks first to most recent
1. finger pass
2. reverse pass
3. sonic
4. charge
5. TA reverse
6. sonic reverse
7. TA
8. continous
9 Double sonic Thats what i call it when i do sonic with my pinky and ring finger then do the orginal way.
10.TA more than 5 times with pencil mod
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Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 19:47:07
1. Reverse FIngerpass (learned myself, thought was normal fp XD)
2. Thumbaround
3. Sonic
4. Fingerpass
5. Charge
6. Reverse Thumbaround
And then i learned a bunch of other 1s in between. -
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 08:18:35
thumbaround
thumbaround reverse
thumbaround harmonics
sonic
charge
twisted sonic
sonic reverse
charge reverse
double charge
i noticed that after learning sonic, it was easier for me to learn charge. This also goes the same when i tried learning charge reverse, after learning sonic reverse. But even though i learned them quickly i still prefer practicing thumbaround related tricks since i started doing t-arounds when i was still in high school. I still think your style and performance is greatly affected with what tricks you like. -
Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 13:41:08
1 fingerpass and rev
2 charge rev
3 TA
4 sonic
5 charge rev
6 TA rev
7 TA harmonic
8 sonic rev
9 sonic harmonic
I think this makes it easier for me to do fingerpass than other people and charge rev too. I'm having a little trouble with the charge and sonic rev though. -
Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 17:53:51
I knew sonic clip before anything!!
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Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 20:07:52
I think it should be:
1) ThumbAround
2) Charge
3) FingerPass
4) Sonic
5) Thumbaround Rev
6) FingerPass Rev
7) Charge Rev
8) Sonic Rev
Learn normal before any revs. Charge reverse helps you learn sonic rev a lot easier! -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 00:56:32
1. Fingerpass and rev
2. Charge and rev
3. Thumbaround and rev
4. Sonic and rev -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:51:25
I think the order should be:
Thumbaround
Charge
Fingerpass
Sonic -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:22:51
I think people should learn the tricks by whatever trick interests them the most... and they find the most appealing and WANT to learn how to do...
But I learned them all at once =] -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 16:35:16QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think people should learn the tricks by whatever trick interests them the most... and they find the most appealing and WANT to learn how to do...
But I learned them all at once =]
For some reason i think you cannot choose what fundies you wanna learn when you're a beginner. Fow most people i've seen they've just tried all the fundies and sen which one they get or they just choose TA cuz thats what they mostly see first when they google it or search it on youtube. and btw..you learnt all at once? how long did you take? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:12:09
1) TA
2) TA rev
3) charge
4) fingerpass
5) fingerpass rev
6) sonic
7) sonic rev?
8) charge rev?
7 or 8... depending on which one is harder...
harder stays behind =] -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:39:37QUOTE (Outsmash @ Sep 25 2008, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For some reason i think you cannot choose what fundies you wanna learn when you're a beginner. Fow most people i've seen they've just tried all the fundies and sen which one they get or they just choose TA cuz thats what they mostly see first when they google it or search it on youtube. and btw..you learnt all at once? how long did you take?
Still learning them ;D I beleive all good penspinners should be in a process of constantly learning there tricks. If you took a picture of my Thumb arround today and then took another video in a few months you would see a diffference, Pen spinning is a constantly adapting thing, if you are a decent pen spinner you will always strive for that perfect most aestheticcly appealing thumb arround or charge =]
But um, like physiccly being able to do all fundies, probably 5 months. -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 15:36:53
fingerpass
sonic
charge & thumbaround about the same time
bak
(something in between)
cardioid
blah blah blah... -
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 08:47:15
do reverses count?
i learnt in this order:
1. TA
2. Sonic
3. Charge Reverse
4. Hell loads of things
5. Sonic reverse
6. TA reverse
7. Charge
ya i am strange to learn charge reverse before learning charge...and i like TA as it was the 1st trick i got introduced to by both internet and friends...i learnt the fundamental reverse only after i learnt things like Devil's around etc -
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 00:37:36
charge
index around[not a fundamental, i know]
TA
Fingerpass
[insert lots of tricks here]
sonic[just learned a week ago ^^] -
Date: Sun, Nov 9 2008 03:34:35QUOTE (Mystic @ Sep 24 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Learn normal before any revs. Charge reverse helps you learn sonic rev a lot easier!
actually...i think trying to learn rev sonic helps learn rev charge -
Date: Sun, Nov 9 2008 04:52:23
1. Infinity
2. TA
3. Charge
4. Sonic
5. TA Harmonic
Its kinda weird i can do TA harmonic but i cant do TA reverse by itself -
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 05:53:17
I say learn finger pass first as thats very fundamental for future tricks. But I learnt in the order of charge, sonic, thumbaround.
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Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 19:57:08
Im practicing
TA & TA Rev
FP & FP Rev
so those four will be my first.
After those Im gonna start practicing Sonics -
Date: Tue, Nov 25 2008 05:54:57
1. Charge
2. ThumbAround
3. Fingerpass (Reverse)
4. Sonic
I learned Charge 12 when I was in 4th-5th grade, same with ThumbAround (6th-7th), and Fingerpass Reverse (7th), I taught myself all three. Sonic-- I learned it on YouTube after I started to spin seriously. -
Date: Tue, Nov 25 2008 11:43:53
i started fingerpass after 8 months of penspinning, couldn't get bothered to master it, it was right after bakfall
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Date: Tue, Nov 25 2008 13:29:17
1. Charge
2. Charge Reverse
3. Thumbaround
4. Sonic
5. Sonic Reverse
6. Thumbaround reverse
I think that have influenced me in the very beginning, but the variety of mods i used as main (mx, kt, msxa, tombow, ballsign, ayatori...) have in the periods i used them influenced my style much more. Let's pick for example the msxa, it's the hell good to do arounds with it, but it sucks for sonic. Comssa is the opposite. -
Date: Tue, Nov 25 2008 20:36:53
I think
TA
TA reverse
TA harmonic
Charge
Sonic
fingerpass
etc. -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 23:32:27
TA
FingerPass (before a long time i had known about penspinning)
Sonic
Charge
and reverses in the same order.. -
Date: Sat, Nov 29 2008 03:40:33
Let's see...
I think it was:
Thumbaround
Sonic
Charge
Fingerpass
Not sure if the order influenced my spinning much though... -
Date: Sat, Nov 29 2008 03:42:37
For me
Thumbaround
Sonic
(Other Stuff)
Charge -
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 04:50:59
Ok
FP & FP Rev
TA & TA Rev
Sonic
Next is going to be Charge and Sonic Rev -
Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 02:33:34
uhh,
Charge
Thumbaround
Sonic
Fingerpass
i like conic tricks, so kinda influenced.... -
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 08:22:40
Uhm, as far as I remember,
1.) Charge
2.) Fingerpass + Rev
3.) THumbaround
4.) FL TA Rev
5.) Indexaround + Rev
6.) Sonic 23-12
7.) Charge Rev
8.) Sonic Rev
9.) Sonic Rise n Fall
10.) TA Rev
11.) Aerials (Thumbsnap, Sonic Release, Kamehameha, Leigun)
12.) Infinity + Ext. Infinity
13.) Shadow
14.) Twisted, Warped, Inverse, Demon's Sonic
Yeah uhm, basically I spent little time with the sonic n rev (mastered: sonic-1 day, sonic rev-1 day, sonic 34-23- 1 day)
I have no problem with the fundamentals except for the TA. I got the normal down, but I'm trying to learn the reverse. Until know, I can only manage a Ta harmonic 3.0.....
I like learning the diff. variations of sonic. Theyreally look good. I'm having trouble with topspins though. I'm quite uncomfortable when the pen exits the hand (or not, if it's the Backaround) and spins w/o ur control... -
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 18:17:30
talking about fundamentals it was ....
1.Fingerpass rev
2.Fingerpass
2.Sonic
3.Thumbaround
4.Charge rev
5.Sonic rev
6.Charge
7.TA rev
lolz TA rev was really hard at that moment haha -
Date: Thu, Dec 11 2008 04:27:08
hmmm wow
ive known the sonic since way before i even knew about pen spinning so yea
1. sonic
2. thumbaround
3. charge - so hard to learn for me since ive been only doing sonics for like 3 years >.< haha
4. fingerpass
5. reverses of everything before number 4
6. figure 8 (is this a fundamental? xD i think its easier than an infinity... )
7. infinity
and so on....
yea
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Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 17:03:14
- fingerpass rev
- ta
- sonic
- charge
- reverses.
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Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 20:28:42
-fingerpass
-ta
-sonic
-charge
of cuz whan i was learning the other fundamentals, i tried to hard in FP
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Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 00:36:53
my first one was finger pass i could do a finger pass before i even knew there was pen spinners out there.
2. thumbaround
3. charge.
4. sonic -
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 00:42:06
ThumbAround
Charge (While attempting a Sonic)
Sonic
Fingerpass -
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 06:03:11
Actually my first trick wasn't a fundamental, it was a ex infinity, but then i learnt TA-Sonic-Charge.
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Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 01:06:48
Ahh.. i remember
Charge Rev
TA
Charge
Sonic
Ta rev
infinity
sonic rev
fingerpass normal
fingerpass rev -
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 01:40:26
1) started TA
2)fingerpass
3)charge
4)sonic / rev. sonic
5)twisted sonic
6)finally mastered TA (FINALLY!)
Thumbaround took me forever to master. -
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 01:47:26
Fingerpass
Fingerpass Reverse
Thumbaround Reverse (inconsistent)
___________________
*google penspinning*
Thumbaround Normal (still struggling)
Sonic
Charge (only on light pens)
I can't bring my hand to grasp the reverse charge or sonic. -
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 02:14:55
-fingerpass
-thumbaround
(found out about penspinning)
-charge
-TA reverse
-sonic
... i think.gif)
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Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 08:40:11
Sonic
Charge
Thumbaround
Fingerpass
Then I went onto shadows/arounds...
I don't feel like learning it in that order did anything, since now I enjoy shadow and around spamming. The only way it impacted me is that I try to avoid using reverses now (I JUST learnt charge rev, trying to get it as good as charge normal) -
Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 03:36:34
Meh:
Thumbaround
Charge
Sonic
Twisted Sonic
(some other stuff)
Fingerpass -
Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 06:01:56
TA
Charge
Sonic
Finger Pass
Then started learning TW Sonic, Infinities, Shadows and other stuff. -
Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 22:09:54
1) Thumbaround
2) Sonic
3) Charge -
Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 06:50:04
Infinity
Charge
TA
TA Rev
Sonic
TW Sonic rev
Fingerless TA
Fingerless BA
That's what I have learnt, and that's the chronological order I learnt it all in. -
Date: Fri, May 1 2009 01:02:52
-Charge
-Sonic
-Thumbaround
Can't say how it's affected me, since I really haven't been spinning long enough to develop my own style. I'll get back to you on that. -
Date: Fri, May 1 2009 01:14:02QUOTE (Randy_Chuggs @ Apr 30 2009, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Infinity
Charge
TA
TA Rev
Sonic
TW Sonic rev
Fingerless TA
Fingerless BA
That's what I have learnt, and that's the chronological order I learnt it all in.
Infinity is not a fundamentalQUOTE (sketching @ Jun 13 2007, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is Infinity a Fundamental?
No. Besides the relative complexity of that combo (3 tricks: Wiper Reverse, Pass Normal & Pass Reverse), Infinity has never officially been deemed a Fundamental. While it may be easier for some to learn than a few of the Fundamentals, the tricks involved in this combo are usually not thought to give as useful a base to a new user in terms of finger strength and agility. While the Wiper Reverse movement of the pen and the accompanying work of the fingers involved are different than any of the other movements of the Fundamentals, Wiper Normal and Wiper Reverse do not belong to a wide family of tricks, as are the Fundamentals.
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Date: Fri, May 1 2009 01:46:37
my fundamentals learning order
1. charge
2. thumbaround
3. sonic
4. fingerpass -
Date: Fri, May 1 2009 03:08:22
1.Fingerpass
2.Thumbaround
3.Charge
4.Sonics
These 3 is what made me what I am now. -
Date: Fri, May 1 2009 03:48:16
1. TA
ext ta
2. Charge
twisted sonic
index around
3. sonic
double charge -
Date: Thu, May 7 2009 04:14:20
My order: (excluding the other tricks - I learned a lot of stuff between Sonic and its Reverse, and some other stuff between Sonic Reverse and Fingerpass. Lol. And my Fingerpass still sucks.)
Thumbaround
Charge
Sonic (actually, I don't remember if I learned Charge or Sonic first, lol.)
Sonic Reverse
Fingerpass... kinda
Um.