UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Demon's Sonic discussion
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Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 16:07:21
Skething, i really don't understand why u so love passaround. U always try to use it for breakdowns hybrids. PassAround is just a Inverse Neo-sonic or half of MA. It's not the universal trick to use it in all places. Why u use it for this hybrid? Where did u see PassAround in this hybrid? Let's see on demon sonic. It's hybrid of sonic and pass:
sonic 34-23 [p][s 0.5] ~ pass rev 24-12 [s 0.5] > charge 12 [c][s 0.5]
Charge is just finish of this hybrid, pen make this charge rotation because of the impulse of the hybrid, like in twisted sonic, that's why i wright > but not ~
So, inverse demon sonic must be:
Inverse Sonic 34-23 [p][s 0.5] ~ pass normal 24-12 [s 0.5][c] if u don't use charge before inv sonic (true inverse sonic)
There is not any passaround moves or something like that, just pass -
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 16:25:21
Because Passaround seemed to be accepted by UCPSB, I did not come up with the name. So far, Fingerarounds need to travel all the way around a finger to be complete. If Fingerarounds could be expressed as only 1/2 of the currently accepted Fingeraround path, I'd be more than happy to drop the Passaround name. As it currently stands, Passaround works quite well in expressing 1/2 a Fingeraround path that is definitely not a Pass.
QUOTEsonic 34-23 [p][s 0.5] ~ pass rev 24-12 [s 0.5] > charge 12 [c][s 0.5]
In Demon's Sonic, the pen is not passed between fingers. Why? Because the pen is not even held by any fingers during the movement. For a Pass (Normal/Reverse) the main criterion is that the pen is held by the two or more fingers at all times. If the pen is going ~halfway around a finger without being held by any fingers, it cannot possibly be called a Pass. The pen is not being passed at all, it is just traveling around a finger.- Sonic 34-23[p][s 0.5] -- that's correct
- Pass Reverse 24-12[s 0.5] -- the pen is never held in the 24 slot, nor is it held between any fingers during the time that it travels around the underside of the middle finger
- Charge 12[s 0.5][c] -- that's correct
Edit: you can have the same-looking Demon's Sonic motion by doing the following:
Sonic 34-23 ~> Fingerless Middlearound 0.5 23-12 ~ Charge 0.5 12
...so, Inverse Demon's Sonic could also be said to be:
Inverse Sonic 34-23 ~> Fingerless Middlearound Reverse 0.5 23-12 ~ Charge 0.5 12
...I don't care, as long as the breakdown actually makes sense, based on the definitions of the tricks listed in the breakdowns. If you are performing Passes during Demon's Sonic, then it is no longer the original hybrid because a complete Pass is included. There's no portion of a Pass where the pen is moving in its own, so I can't see how a Pass can only have a spin portion without a push/catch.
If the pen is traveling around a finger without being held by any fingers, it would normally be called a Fingeraround. Since Passaround became accepted by UCPSB, I've been more than happy to use that is describing a path that is almost halfway around a finger, the name is more specific than just using Fingeraround 0.5. -
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 17:55:32QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 21 2007, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>[*] Pass Reverse 24-12[s 0.5] -- the pen is never held in the 24 slot, nor is it held between any fingers during the time that it travels around the underside of the middle finger
Why u think that pen is never held in 24 slot? When u doing the sonic, the pen goes from 34 to 24, and after that pen goes to 12, so there is pass between 24 and 12 -
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 17:59:17
The pen bounces between the fingers, the finger position guides the pen through the slots. The pen is not actual held by any fingers during this time. If you are actually holding the pen as it travels around the middle finger, then go ahead and say Pass Reverse, but there's no need to actually hold the pen, the hybrid is much smoother if it travels around the middle finger without being held throughout the motion.
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Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 18:08:44
It helds in 24 slot maybe 0.1 sec, but it helds in this slot
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Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 18:27:37
If it's only held in the slot for a moment before traveling, then it's still not a Pass, the pen is not being held throughout the the path around the middle finger. If the pen is traveling freely around a finger, it's some kind of Fingeraround.
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Date: Sat, Dec 22 2007 07:36:49
Look at my video. I show pass after half of sonic. It's pass, not pa. -
Date: Sat, Dec 22 2007 07:47:23
I never said that Sonic 34-23 ~> Pass Reverse 24-12 wasn't possible.
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Date: Sat, Dec 22 2007 07:51:21QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 21 2007, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>[*] Pass Reverse 24-12[s 0.5] -- the pen is never held in the 24 slot, nor is it held between any fingers during the time that it travels around the underside of the middle finger
So, what's that?
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Date: Sat, Dec 22 2007 08:06:54
I was saying that during during a Demon's Sonic, the pen is not held in the 24 slot, not that you couldn't do a Pass Reverse from that slot. I was trying to make the point that during Demon's Sonic, a Pass Reverse is not performed because the pen is simply bouncing around between the fingers rather than being held throughout the entire motion of the path underneath the middle finger.
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 15:19:54
I bringing this back from the dead. I wanted to know something...When trying to do the Demon's Sonic, after the charge motion like in a Twisted sonic, how do you make it spin on top of your hand.... My hand just wants to keep doing the twisted sonic.
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 16:34:14QUOTE (Sleeve @ Apr 25 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I bringing this back from the dead. I wanted to know something...When trying to do the Demon's Sonic, after the charge motion like in a Twisted sonic, how do you make it spin on top of your hand.... My hand just wants to keep doing the twisted sonic.
it would be a lot easier if you know how to do a shadow
so if you dont' know how to do a shadow, i would recommend learnign that first
but if you do know how to do the shadow, you just do devil's sonic by using the chargelike motion from teh twisted sonic's momentum rather than using just the charge momentum that you would use for a normal shadow
btw, you posted in the wrong topic
this is about DEMON'S sonic, not DEVIL'S sonic
but dont' worry, i get them easily confused all the time as well
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Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 03:26:54
are you talking about demon's devil's sonic?
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Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 13:57:10
Sketching, I can't seem to get how you're doing Demon's Sonic. I understand the idea but it's much easier to think of it as Sonic~>Pass Rev.
Can you please post a short vid with you doing a Demon Sonic and then a Sonic~>Pass Rev to demonstrate the difference more clearly? -
Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 00:58:01
@Teatime: here's a vid showing Demon's Sonic as I perform it (Sonic 0.5 ~ Middlearound 0.5) followed by a Sonic 0.5 ~> Pass Reverse 24-12. Both performances look extremely similar, but have a difference in what my fingers are actually doing.
In first performance, the pen bounces around between the correctly-postioned fingers after the Sonic 0.5. The pen is not held throughout the motion underneath the middle finger to the 12 slot, so it is more like a Fingeraround (Middlearound in this case) than a Pass Reverse.
The second performance shows a Sonic 0.5 followed by a Pass Reverse 24-12, which has me holding the pen from the 24 slot to the 12 slot since Passes involve holding the pen throughout the entire trick. The second performance is not a smooth as I'm not used to holding the pen throughout the entire motion under the middle finger. -
Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 01:00:56
Can you show it with your palm facing you?
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Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 01:09:20
@someone: here's a palm-side view. In the second performance, my fingers have to do more work to hold the pen while it travels under my middle finger from the 24 slot.