UPSB v3
Philosophy / Modifications
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Date: Wed, Dec 26 2007 04:11:37
Do you believe in using pen modifications (in more "serious" penspinning, ie. competitions)?
Personally, I don't really believe in modifying pens when competing, etc. Sure, if you're just having fun, messing around, whatever. However, my opinion (as a new pen spinner) is that modifying pens takes away from the true essence of pen spinning, and seems to make tricks easier than they would be if you were using a completely unmodified pen.
This has probably been posted before, but I don't see it anywhere, so... meh.
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Date: Wed, Dec 26 2007 04:46:12
uhh what?
almost everybody spin mods...
it's implicit.
if you want to disallow mods, the theme of the battle simply becomes "unmodded".
there's nothing to argue about... -
Date: Wed, Dec 26 2007 05:01:36
Well I wasn't really asking if everybody used mods or not, but if everyone does then I guess there isn't really a point to the question anyways, haha.
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Date: Wed, Dec 26 2007 07:24:16QUOTEDo you believe in using pen modifications (in more "serious" penspinning, ie. competitions)?
Personally, I don't really believe in modifying pens when competing, etc. Sure, if you're just having fun, messing around, whatever. However, my opinion (as a new pen spinner) is that modifying pens takes away from the true essence of pen spinning, and seems to make tricks easier than they would be if you were using a completely unmodified pen.
This has probably been posted before, but I don't see it anywhere, so... meh.
people use mod because they need them. As shown here not many people can actually spin their best without their mods. Which means.. without mods the general average level of penspinning would be WAY lower than what it is now. yes. it makes tricks easier than doing with unmodded pen.. but that's the whole point of it. you can go to car racers and say 'don't mod ur cars, it goes faster if you do' -
Date: Thu, Dec 27 2007 02:19:31
It's subjective, 'cause different pens are suited to pen spinning to a different extent. Some pens require no modifications at all (e.g. Zebra 3000*F), some pens require slight amount of modifications (e.g. Pental RSVP [arguably]), while others require large amount of modifications. Because no pens, AFAIK, are designed specifically for pen spinning, I find it rather unreasonable if a condition in a competition requires all participants to use stock pens except in the case suggested by Zombo (i.e. stock pen spinning rounds).
Even if we're to follow the comparison used by WhiteFang, there are cars made for racing, but the same doesn't apply for pens, for now. -
Date: Thu, Dec 27 2007 04:21:25
even there are cars made for racing, they still apply something to make them go better.
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Date: Thu, Dec 27 2007 18:23:46
Well at first, what I was suggesting that modding a pen might make it...umm, not pen spinning. I'm not sure how to say it, really.
I mean, there's a difference between spinning a pen and spinning a stick that looks like a pen but isn't really designed to be a pen. That's kind of what I meant.
However, my argument seems kind of unreasonable now that I'm more familiar with the pen spinning community, and now that you guys have explained the essence of modding in more detail.
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Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 10:50:31
Sorry to get back to this so much later, but penspinning doesn't equal to pen spinning, or spinning pens. There's a huge difference, whilst penspinning is what we are doing, just "spinning a pen" would be as you said spinning a completely regular pen. In penspining we spin for the beauty of the motions, so what we are spinning, as long as it looks good, is secondary. No matter if it's a heavy ass and non-pen like mod, or just a Zebra.
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Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 17:53:41
I do believe that there are some tricks (if not most of them) that cannot be done with a normal pen, it also depends which pen.
But spinning mods is still a pen-it writes, I do believe that it doesn't matter if its a modified pen with laser canons on it or just a normal one as long as it still looks like a pen and has the same basic function- it can be used in penspinning ^^ -
Date: Thu, Jan 17 2008 02:06:52QUOTE (Sfsr @ Jan 16 2008, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry to get back to this so much later, but penspinning doesn't equal to pen spinning, or spinning pens.
I'm sorry, but I think this definition only applies to you. AFAIK, this is not universally agreed. -
Date: Thu, Jan 17 2008 02:43:25
No mods lol? That would be taking away so many advanced tricks. If you are just doing Ta Harm at school I could see using just a pencil but for competetive spinng you have to use mods. There is just no point in taking em away.
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Date: Thu, Jan 17 2008 15:42:29
I can only spin some fundamentals with unmodded pens.
Something like TA harmonic,Sonic harmonic and Double Charge.
Without my modded pen,I can't even do a BackAround.
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Date: Fri, Jan 18 2008 19:21:01
How about those who only spin pencils? Aren't they serious?
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 13:35:28QUOTE (TayYH89 @ Jan 17 2008, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm sorry, but I think this definition only applies to you. AFAIK, this is not universally agreed.
True, yet I see not why anyone would disagree. What serious penspinner would say that just flippin' and twirling a pen around is the same as the beauty of spinning a pen as in penspinning? It's all gradual though, were is the line drawn. Who thinks what. -
Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 02:26:33QUOTE (Sfsr @ Jan 21 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>True, yet I see not why anyone would disagree. What serious penspinner would say that just flippin' and twirling a pen around is the same as the beaty of spinning a pen as in penspinning? It's all gradual though, were is the line drawn. Who thinks what.
I would prefer to call that stick manipulation more than penspinning. As a matter of fact, the reason why pen spinning is different from other similar type of manipulation (baton twirling, drumbstick spinning) is due to the fact that the object that we handle is a pen, not just any other stick-like item. -
Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 11:59:55
Hmm, I'm not sure what I meant anymore... I'm not promoting spinning of long and heavy "pens", or batons or w/e, I'm just saying that penspinning is something more then just flippin' about a pen. I'd never take a pen I spin too far from being a pen, but in a certain range, say from v1 to Dr KT, it to me doesn't matter what people spin as long as they do it with style.
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Date: Thu, Jan 24 2008 14:47:20
I believe modded pens which enable us to spin our pens more easily and comfortably have been helping us invent new tricks and combos that seemed impossible.
Yet, I think, even though you spin your modded pen to perform some tricks that you can't do without one, that means you're actually able to do those tricks.
That definition.. I did probably...QUOTE (Aphsamoth @ Dec 5 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As far as I'm concerned;
Pen Spinning would mean doing a few tricks unconciously, not so seriously, or unprofessionally. It would be nothing more than spinning a pen.
Penspinning would mean doing free styles or combos carefully, seriously, or professionally. It would be a performance or an art.
And, I see your point, Sfsr. Penspinning isnot actually supposed to mean spinnig a pen itself.QUOTE (TayYH89 @ Jan 22 2008, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I would prefer to call that stick manipulation more than penspinning.
Sounds interesting.
But, if you suppose the word, pen spinning or penspinning, isnot suitable for meaning that manipulation, it'll be difficult to get another new term familiar to the spinners from now.
I think it's useful for the blank to work to give the difference, because these terms defined with the blank aren't real new ones.
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Date: Thu, Jan 24 2008 15:05:02
A pen is still a pen if it writes and does all the functions a pen does, the fact the we manipulated it to the use of our needs does not change the definition that it is a pen. Its like if you cut a stick, file it and color it just so you can play the drums with it- it is still a stick.
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Date: Thu, Jan 24 2008 15:15:43
like said before, pen spinning isn't just spinning pens. pen modification has became a big part of pen spinning (pen spinning as an art). sure, we can all spin unmodded pen/pencil but not in same level as mod because mods are there to help us do the tricks better, smoother, easier... and we can't call it stick spinning, just because the pen doesn't look like a regular pen. it's a pen for pen spinning.