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General Discussion / Learning Combos - Trick by Trick
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Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 00:57:45
Are there any downsides to taking a combo's breakdown and learning it trick by trick?
For example, I have a pretty small trick repertoire, and I mostly want to learn a combo that looks neat. So, I picked Eso's Genesis x RMX combo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN8_4siAcZs) as I think it looks great. I got the breakdown for it, and I'm just learning each trick in the order that they are in the combo. If I know the trick, I'll just move on to the next one, progressing until I eventually know every trick in the combo. Following this, I'll probably just make sure that I can perform the tricks linked to each other (consistently).
I'm primarily using this as a method to increase the number of tricks I know, as well as try my hand at learning a combo.
So there you go, any downsides to that?
-Arcturus -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 01:07:49
I guess a major downside would be, if you hit a trick that is very hard in a combo, then you may spend vast amounts of time learning this trick while learning nothing else. Also, if you are picking combos to learn each individual trick and then the combo itself, you are missing out on two things:
1) You do not practice your own creativity, work you own style and make your own combos. This is a major, major downside!
2) There may be a difficult linkage in the combo, for example a NeoBakFall, and you may use up large amounts of time learning this, and not be picking up much other than just this one thing for a lot of time spent - Probably not good when your trick repertoire is only small. -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 01:22:25
I get what you're saying about the creativity/wasting time, so I can see that it wouldn't be a good idea to just mimic the combo... maybe it's a better idea to learn a combo as a way of practicing being able to put two tricks together, and then apply those skills to my own combos.
-Arcturus
P.S. While we're kind of on this topic, let's say that I'm looking for a new trick to learn. I find one, and attempt to learn it; however, after a while I see that it's pretty hard, and I don't see myself being able to learn it within a reasonable amount of time. Is it generally accepted as more efficient to move on to an easier trick, or to stick with it until you learn it (ie. I'm currently learning the shadow, but I can see that I'll be able to learn it soon)?
EDIT: Fixed my post, dunno how it got that way :| -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 01:34:49
well, whenever i'm stuck on a hard trick, i put it aside, and practice another simpler trick first, and then swap back and forth
this way i dont' get too frustrated with just 1 trick, and sorta just lessen my frustration by dividing it up between two tricks
so although i wouldn't just stop practicing the harder trick, swap back and forth between that trick and another trick that you wanna learn (i'm swapping back and forth between a backfall and a weis backaround>backtap and a shadow>reverse backtap right now xD )
and athough it's very important to develop your own style (VERY important) i think that if you're new, then just mimic someone else's combo that you like
eventually, your own style will develop on it's own when you slowly deviate from that copy that you made
currently, i'm trying to learn some combos the textbook way, so the exact way that it should be done (if there is one...but the wiki and an average of youtube videos is my textbook) with no style in it (my style is developing nevertheless though >.< )
so if you're new, like me
, i would say to not worry about your style as much for the time being
all geniuses started as mimics (that was a paraphrased version of a quote from some anime xD ) -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 04:34:28
Don't copy other people's combos. Just make up your own. You can learn the tricks he has in his combo but don't do his combo unless you are doing a collab copy thing.
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Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 14:46:11
For me, I tried to learn combo from others is to get ideals of variations.
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Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 15:06:25QUOTE (Arcturus @ Jan 15 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I get what you're saying about the creativity/wasting time, so I can see that it wouldn't be a good idea to just mimic the combo... maybe it's a better idea to learn a combo as a way of practicing being able to put two tricks together, and then apply those skills to my own combos.
-Arcturus
P.S. While we're kind of on this topic, let's say that I'm looking for a new trick to learn. I find one, and attempt to learn it; however, after a while I see that it's pretty hard, and I don't see myself being able to learn it within a reasonable amount of time. Is it generally accepted as more efficient to move on to an easier trick, or to stick with it until you learn it (ie. I'm currently learning the shadow, but I can see that I'll be able to learn it soon)?
First of all, if someone tells you that copying a combo will automatically lead you to become a carbon copy of a spinner, that is a bit misleading. Unless you dedicate your entire time to copying one's combos and style, chances are that you will eventually spin your own way, depending on how you see the tricks fit together. Mimicking a combo is nowhere near as harmful as it is beneficial.
In fact, I mimic combos from time to time, but I usually tend to focus on minicombos. I pick out certain highlights of a combo and I practice that until I get a good feel for it. Once I get a good feel, I branch out and explore other ways of linking into and out of the minicombo, as well as make variations of the minicombo.
If you're using another person's combo as a way to learn more tricks, that's fine. Though I find that studying breakdowns is much more helpful in linking rather than the individual trick. I suggest you look at the trick name, look for a tutorial on the trick itself, then practice the trick isolated. Once you think you have it down, then you could go on to the breakdown and try that linking. Then you could try out other types of linking you may have seen in other combos or come up with your own linkings. -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 16:48:51
As someone said, if you get stuck at a trick never waste a huge amount of time to learn it.. There is many other trick you can learn instead that helps you to learn the one you had problems with.
A simple ex, trouble with sonic -> practice charge . Good luck tho. -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 20:32:15
I myself never learned from complete combo's its particular tricks, I did take 1-2 tricks from it and learn it and the linking between them, but in general I just tried to make my own combo's, once you get a good amount of skills you can do you can start doing your own combo's by what you like and as some said here-develop your own style and combo's.
But if you feel copying combo's is beneficial to you more than practicing individual skills and tricks- do as you please (I'm not saying that copying is bad or anything
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Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 22:38:54
Thanks for all the great responses, guys. I'll definitely try some of the techniques suggested here!
-Arcturus -
Date: Thu, Jan 17 2008 13:11:50
I think Eso's tip was very accurate. Look at combos you like, get their breakdowns, and take out the individual mini combos inside that you like and try to add them to your trick base, so that once you create your own combo it will include all the parts you like.
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Date: Thu, Jan 17 2008 14:47:24
If you aren't creative enough,then get the breakdowns of mini combos of other spinners,modify them,and link 'em up .
And there you are,your own combo.