UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Tips on linking tricks
in general...
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 21:14:22
So i've been trying to do some mini combos and combos but i'm having quite some difficulty doing so, and i'm sure some other people face this problem as well.
So use this thread to ask for tips on certain linkings between two tricks since tricks have to be altered a bit in order to link two of them together. For example, how is one suppose to use the momentum from the last trick to go into the next trick? How is one suppose to position their fingers so that there's no pause between the two tricks? etc...
I myself am a really bad spinner so i need such a thread like this, and i haven't seen one around so i decided to make one myself.
Now...how am i suppose to start the twisted sonic in a sonic 34-23>twisted sonic 23-12
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i realize that this is suppose to be a really easy linkage, but you know..there are those who are hopeless in penspinning who wish to continue nevertheless -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 21:21:42QUOTE (-JC- @ Jan 20 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how am i suppose to start the twisted sonic in a sonic 34-23>twisted sonic 23-12''
Seriously?
Here's how I would go about doing it...
Do a Sonic 34-23.
Do a Twisted Sonic 23-12.
Continue until smooth.
Did you ever learn Sonic Rise? If so, was it smooth the very first time you did it? Doubtful. Did it get smoother after practice? It should have. Same concept with the above. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 21:27:36QUOTE (sketching @ Jan 20 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seriously? :huh:
Here's how I would go about doing it...
Do a Sonic 34-23.
Do a Twisted Sonic 23-12.
Continue until smooth.
yeah...i'm completely serious >.<'' i'm REALLY bad at spinning...
i can get tricks down, but combos just kill me -_-''
so do i do the sonic 34-23 with pressure or without...cause i find it kind of hard to do a palm down sonic without pressure (well, i can, but it's not as comfortable)
and then after i do the sonic, where should the pen be? it usually lands about in the center of the 23, is that bad? or shoudl it be right by the tips of the fingers?
i can do this palm sideways easily and smoothly, but once i turn my hand down, it turns out so bad -_-''
yeah...to not be able to do even this at 4 1/2 months...so pathetic -_-''
people say that just practice and it's okay if you learn slowly cause everyone moves at their own pace...but god...i'm just bad >.>
Edit: well this is all to learn the k4lc which is suppose to be a easy combo -_-''
okay, but after the twisted sonic though...and i go to do the ts 1.5, i know that i have to do it with index push, but i find that the pen is too far up for me to do a proper ts
how would i get more of the pen to be lower so that i can spin that part around... -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 21:39:13
Alright, now you have some actual useful information to work with.
Sonic is not supposed to be done with pressure. Period. No pressure in a real Sonic, all finger movement.
Doing tricks palm-down tends to be harder than palm-sideways, I would learn them palm-sideways first.
Pen position between the fingers shouldn't matter too much. Unless the pen is landing at the base of the fingers, there shouldn't be much to worry about. With minimal flexiblity, having the pen land in the middle or at the tips of the fingers shoudn't matter too much. When I was first learning Sonics and such, I tried to keep the keep the pen in the middle of the fingers simply because it felt more secure for me. In time, with practice and just learning to grip the pen better when spinning, with practice, I started to naturally allow the pen to travel closer to the tips of the fingers and still perform the tricks. This wasn't at all a focused attempt at spinning near the tips of the fingers, it was natural progression that happened as I continued to try to keep a hold of the pen no much what was happening. I can't give any tips on that part other than just spin as much as possible and just try to hang onto the pen as much as you can. I still naturally tend to keep the pen near the middle of the fingers as it still feels better to have the pen placed. If the pen travels to the tips, I'll just alter a release or something to direct the pen back towards the middle of the fingers whenever I feel like it.
Since you've learned it palm-sideways, it's just a matter of doing it as much as possible palm-down. I don't remember ever trying specifically to learn tricks palm-down (except Sonic, that was kinda annoying, but it eventually got easier), other than just twisting my hand and seeing what happened. It wasn't much of a challenge for me as I just started twisting my hand downward whenever I felt like it until tricks were just performed better. -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 21:42:45
For the pen position thing, I think all you need to do is to test where to place the pen when you do the Twisted Sonic.
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 22:08:11
wow..thanks sketch
you see, when i do a twisted sonic palm down, i have my fingers curled in to give it that initial push
i guess i just have to cut out that curled finger part
okaysss, time to practice
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 22:11:17
Is the Twisted Sonic > Thumbspin 1.5 positioning not working too well for you because you know the Twisted Sonic Bust and are too used to doing it? Because that has happened to me before, but I quickly re-adjusted after I got the feeling back.
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 22:15:06
no..i don't think it's that
i rarely do the twisted sonic bust..although sometimes i do have the urge to do teh bust rather than the ts 1.5
but my main problem with teh twisted sonic>ts 1.5 is just that i find that i'm too low down on the pen
like you know how when doing a normal ts, or ta, you have to have most of the pen inside and that part will go around...well, in my case, most of the pen is outside and that disenables me to do a ts, or ta stuff -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 22:49:20
Start the Sonic 34 with most of the pen on the inside of the hand. By the time you get to the Thumbspin, the pen should be in proper position to make it easier to perform. With more practice, you can start the Sonic 34 with less of the pen on the inside of the hand.
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 22:59:22
When you practice single tricks until you have them down, the linking will come with it. The only suggestion there is, is to practice.
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 23:18:55QUOTE (sketching @ Jan 20 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Start the Sonic 34 with most of the pen on the inside of the hand. By the time you get to the Thumbspin, the pen should be in proper position to make it easier to perform. With more practice, you can start the Sonic 34 with less of the pen on the inside of the hand.
yeah...it seems as if when i start with more of the pen inside of my hand, i can then do the ts
it's wierd...you were saying that with practice i can do it with less of the pen on the inside...but i find with less of the pen inside, i can do it more easily o.0...
i can't seem to do it as easily with most of the pen outside
when i start the sonic 34 palm down with most of the pen inside of my hand, the pen just sorta drops from gravity, but if i start it off with most of the pen outside...most of the wieght can rest on my pinky...''
grr....practice, practice, practice -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 00:17:42
If you start with most of the pen on the outside, you should have eventually figured out that you either need to re-position the pen during the Twisted Sonic > Pass Reverse 12-T1 portion or let the pen slide between the fingers at some point during the combo combo.
Here's how to re-position during the Pass Reverse 12-T1:
After the Twisted Sonic, grip the pen with the index and middle finges and pull the thumb away to the other side of the pen. Do the Thumbspin from the stretched position, rather than thumb near the other fingers.
As for sliding the pen through the fingers, just find a spot during the combo to loosen your grip to let the pen re-position. One spot would be during the Sonic 34, the pen can slide a bit downward. Another place is during the Twisted Sonic, figure out how to move the pen. -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 06:01:34QUOTE (sketching @ Jan 20 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seriously?
Here's how I would go about doing it...
Do a Sonic 34-23.
Do a Twisted Sonic 23-12.
Continue until smooth.
Did you ever learn Sonic Rise? If so, was it smooth the very first time you did it? Doubtful. Did it get smoother after practice? It should have. Same concept with the above. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.
cud you give some more combos such as whats written above?
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 07:32:46QUOTE (stroud @ Jan 21 2008, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>cud you give some more combos such as whats written above?
Go to youtube, search "pen spinning", download some videos, watch them in slo-motion, pick 2-3 consecutive tricks from the larger combo, and then practice. Rinse and repeat. -
Date: Fri, Feb 8 2008 13:05:58
Oh, I was about to make a thread with the same topic when I saw this.
Anyway, I was having the same problem regarding the position of the pen after doing one trick onto the next. The K4LC was already discussed (thanks!). I don't have any combo in mind but, can we use this thread to pose other linking problems in the future?
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Date: Fri, Feb 8 2008 15:46:06
afterplace, this was what i had meant to make this thread for
i didnt' want to just ask my k4lc combo question and then have this thread die
and i'll probably have more linking problems in teh future, so yes, use this thread for your linking problems as well--that was my original intention for this thread