UPSB v3
Philosophy / Expression
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 01:33:52
'To express myself honestly... that, my friend, is very hard to do.'
Is it possible to express with pen spinning? Can you convey an emotion or a state of mind in a combo, or a series of combos? Could we ever, or have we already, seen videos in which it is possible to percieve the emotion of the spinner? -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 02:13:25
well unlke paintings that has so many different colors and styles, there aren't as many in penspinning...at least not compared to drawings/paintings/music and such
so i don't believe so...but i had posted a thread (unfortunately is was a duplicate thread
'') about music and i feel that that may be able to convey the spinner's feelings more so than the spinning itself
perhaps?
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 02:28:50
Probably only if the video ended with hand expressions:
Thumbs-Up/Peace Symbol = happy/fun
Middle finger = Sarcastic/angry
Dane Cook's Symbol = humor/sarcasic -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 02:30:00
Of course the music choice could show expression. I mean just spinning, no music or anything else. Just a combo, or several combos, to convey a mood, to express. Could the combo have a fast flowing section that's really quick, and flashy, showing happiness, then a slower section, that's awkward and ugly, showing misery? Now, or anytime, can something like that work? Can we express using just a pen?
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 02:34:21
I think that would be really hard, as if you were trying to convey any type of expression solely through your penspinning, you would most likely be heavily relying on the viewer's ability to interpret what you are attempting to get across... and, of course, nearly everyone interprets things in their own unique way. Maybe some would see it as 'happy spinning', whilst others would see it as 'sad spinning'. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
-Arcturus -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 02:57:31QUOTE (Arcturus @ Jan 20 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that would be really hard, as if you were trying to convey any type of expression solely through your penspinning, you would most likely be heavily relying on the viewer's ability to interpret what you are attempting to get across... and, of course, nearly everyone interprets things in their own unique way. Maybe some would see it as 'happy spinning', whilst others would see it as 'sad spinning'. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
-Arcturus
yeah..i agree...fast spinning could mean so many differnt things...happy, angry, stressed, etc...
and in order to convey a feeling, the viewer should be able to feel it instantly, even if they're only slightly knowledgable in penspinning
it'd be kinda pointless to show an expression in the spinning if it's so deep that only people like eriror can pick out what feeling is tryign to be expressed -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 03:31:27QUOTE (Mats @ Jan 20 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>'To express myself honestly... that, my friend, is very hard to do.'
Is it possible to express with pen spinning? Can you convey an emotion or a state of mind in a combo, or a series of combos? Could we ever, or have we already, seen videos in which it is possible to percieve the emotion of the spinner?
did you read my paper in the PS magazine? it deals with this question precisely.
and it's very to check that this is true. surely you can think of ways to make a combo funny, and isn't a laugh a representation of an emotion? -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 03:42:19QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 21 2008, 03:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>did you read my paper in the PS magazine? it deals with this question precisely.
and it's very to check that this is true. surely you can think of ways to make a combo funny, and isn't a laugh a representation of an emotion?
I read the paper... However, a discussion would be nice. I didn't want to revive the other thread since it was quite old.
Excellent example though. I can think of a few combos which were funny, and so you can cause at least one emotion - Happiness! What of other emotions though, love? Hate? Fear? -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 04:00:26
when bonkura executes his i-sonic, didn't he succeed in making the viewer confused/puzzled? isn't that one's intention when they do "magic" tricks.?
my paper also talks about artificial devices. if one were to purposely imitate bonkura by using some of his props or whatnot, wouldn't that cause sadness if it is within the context of a tribute?
hate is really easy... don't forget that pen spinning is also about your hands, and there are plenty of gestures you can do with your hands. kam made the "real" devil's stall as a response to some haters.
fear, when we look at videos of spinners spinning on TV, I often see comments like "good job, but you seemed a little nervous when spinning". wouldn't that mean we felt his fear of dropping the pen?
love hmm more difficult I think. Apart from using obvious signs or mods (heart-shaped) but it also depends on what kind of love... making a romantic combo, not so much, but if it's love of pen spinning, then it's very easy... -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 04:29:40
well..for love..um..perhaps you could have a person and their gf (ex. eriror and his gf?) and then have them spin together and then have one of them mess up (well, i doubt eriror would mess up..) and then have the other put the pen back in person #1's hands and help them get back to spinning
dunno if that's love...maybe if it's made obvious that they're couples..if not, it'd be viewed more as kindness -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 04:38:36
Well... if you choriograph the entire thing... then I think it's more of a play that incorporates pen spinning.
I think music, speed, and style could be used in combination to convey somewhat of an emotion, but I don't think that it has much of a use. What's the point of conveying love, happiness, sadness, etc. with pen spinning through a video? I think the only real thing that would be useful to convey is the feeling of awe really. -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 04:46:14QUOTE (â–¡â–¡â–¡ @ Jan 20 2008, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think the only real thing that would be useful to convey is the feeling of awe really.
actually, yeah, i agree with this
although it'd be interesting to see combos with other emotions nevertheless, the feeling of awe is definitely the most common and important one
saw a david weis video today...i was struck with awe several times throughout those couple minutes and i find those videos to be the most enjoyable (well, then again, i haven't seen too many videos with other emotions)
i have seen one funny video though, and that was pretty funny to watch xD -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 13:24:15
Colors present in the video. Slow spinning with a black pen and dark background, can that express anything but sadness? A lot symbolism can be used, as Zombo mentioned in his article, like bonkuras fan for example. Bright pastell colors express happiness in some way. Dropping the pen and slamming your fist in the table clearly shows anger, yet draws laughs from most people watching it.
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 14:04:21QUOTE (â–¡â–¡â–¡ @ Jan 20 2008, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well... if you choriograph the entire thing... then I think it's more of a play that incorporates pen spinning.
I think music, speed, and style could be used in combination to convey somewhat of an emotion, but I don't think that it has much of a use. What's the point of conveying love, happiness, sadness, etc. with pen spinning through a video? I think the only real thing that would be useful to convey is the feeling of awe really.
well what's the point of conveying emotions with any art really?
the idea is that if you consider pen spinning as an art, then it's artistic value is defined by how emotionally moving the combo is. if you consider pen spinning as a manipulation or a sport, then you will only look at its technical value. but pen spinning as an art also encompasses the use of technique to generate emotions, but has no instinsic value alone. -
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 17:41:06
I think your mood will affect how you spin? I think this theory works for me.
As for videos, I don't think anyone will record a video when they are feeling down... Can't really see though. -
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 19:54:55
i seriously do not see how forming diff combos expresses diff emotions. i combo with more ta's because i like those. i also catch on better. the only reason ppl use different combos is becuz they are fluent with a certain trick(s).
that is my opinion. then again, i might just be shallow XD