UPSB v3

Philosophy / Better to learn when younger?

  1. -JC-
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 02:39:36

    is it better to learn ps when you're younger or when you're in your teens?
    the benefits of being young: more finger flexibility, more prone to learn anything...
    the cons of being young: less probability of actually understanding how the trick works and the concept behind that trick's motion, and unability to make long strings of combo as easily

    when i say young, i mean like in elementary school...probably before 5th grade...

    xero works at an after school program and he penspins a bit there, and one day these kids ask him how he does what he does, which is natural for anyone to do
    and so xero shows off a few combos and then tries to teach them some tricks
    this one kid learned the sonic instantly while it took me about 1 1/2 weeks to learn
    and then this other kid can now do rev charge better than either xero or me can do sleep.gif''
    and a couple others learned the ta rather quickly too

    so are younger kids able to penspin more easily? should pen spinning be aimed at the younger kids since they have more potential or the older people because they have more money to actually buy the pens xD

    discuss

  2. mhig
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 02:47:50

    i find it that younger kids can learn pen spinning faster than older kids
    like my little brother, he's better than me.. probably
    and he's in 6th grade
    im in 9th

  3. yxTay
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 02:51:26

    Yes, because when one is younger, one would have more time to devote to pen spinning. As one gets older, there seems to be more tasks that keep one occupied.

  4. -JC-
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 02:59:22

    haha, i have more tasks but i still do a lot of penspinning related stuff xD

    and as for younger kids..i sometimes question their devotion to anything
    they tend to try it, learn a couple things about it, and then stop...at least that's what i find...unless their parents force them to continue, like with an instrument or somethign

  5. Mats
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 03:11:03

    QUOTE (yxTay @ Jan 22 2008, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yes, because when one is younger, one would have more time to devote to pen spinning. As one gets older, there seems to be more tasks that keep one occupied.


    I agree. If you put a young kid up against a teen, and gave each of them equal practice time, the teen would probably fair better. I think very young people would not be able to offer much in terms of complex, technical combos; new or creative ideas; or new mods.

  6. 11Thrasher11
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 03:47:46

    Yeh but we kids have small fingers so I guess the pen would slip out more.

  7. Teddy
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 11:49:21

    if i started spinning before fifth grade, a ballsign would be a huge, and right now i could be better than eriror tongue.gif

  8. Sfsr
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 12:06:38

    Not only would one pick up simple things faster, one would also be at a much higher level once you reach competitive age. I mean, I don't see 9 year olds running about UPSB challenging people, but if someone would start spin at say 8, just think about how good they would be once they turn 14-15. I don't believe that a 9 year old could reach a really high level of penspinning though, somehow it feels as if you need to get a bit older before you can develop certain skills.

    Like Mats said, very young people aren't able to think in the way needed to create complex combos and creative tricks.

  9. LMnet
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 13:17:26

    I'm study at university now, and i have so many problems about this. Younger kids study at school, they have a lots of free time, so it is better if u start ps when u was very young (~12-14 is perfect time imo)

  10. Penwish
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 14:28:56

    yes you start sucking at things as you grow older and "wiser"

  11. AntonWebsters
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 15:52:46

    I think our fingers tend to become less flexible as we grow older...
    So I guess it's better to learn when we're younger,when our finger is still flexible.

  12. Novastrike
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 16:47:33

    When you are young, you tend to have more free time. That's the reason I guess?

  13. thewave
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 21:36:18

    Heh... I know a few adults with more free time than me ><
    I think young people get more "attracted" to PS than adults do, while the teachers in my school don't even pay attention to my spinning or hate it most of the kids actually like it (the normal ones, not talking about the mentally disturbed/brain damaged ones).

  14. minche
    Date: Tue, Jan 22 2008 22:00:56

    when you start practicing something when you're young you'll probably be better with that when you are older than someone who has started practicing later. for ps-ing: if you start ps-ing when you're younger your fingers will probably 'develop' differently than other kids fingers biggrin.gif. it's like training some sport or instrument, or if you have affinity to some subject at early age, because your body and your mind will develop differently if you train football, or play piano, etc. so yeah, if one starts ps-ing at early age one will probably learn faster and will probably have more creativity later than one who started learning later. but then, there's the thing that younger people are easily distracted and don't put as much effort in something as older person.

  15. loonwern93
    Date: Wed, Jan 23 2008 08:15:56

    yep, i knew ta and ta rev and charge rev at 10 yrs old when i saw my teacher spin it last time. she taught me those and i know them all in a week.
    happy to learn those tricks coz i wont need to trouble when learning charge rev and ta when first entering this board. but when i first learn the sonic last october, it was sort of sluggish and hard comparing to my learning speed when i was 10.

  16. blugyblug
    Date: Fri, Jan 25 2008 08:43:26

    QUOTE
    I think very young people would not be able to offer much in terms of complex, technical combos; new or creative ideas; or new mods.

    We aren't stupid dry.gif
    And yeah, im a kid

  17. Mats
    Date: Fri, Jan 25 2008 18:47:55

    QUOTE (blugyblug @ Jan 25 2008, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    We aren't stupid dry.gif
    And yeah, im a kid


    If we take a look at the more creative spinners there have been/are - Zombo, Kam, Pentrixter, Le0n, nhk_9, Tohlz -These spinners have tended to be the older spinners in the community. Indeed, most tricks and new concepts are created by older spinners.
    Again, if you look at the spinners who produce the most technically advanced combos, they are usually 15+, Eriror, Fratleym, chautran for example.
    This, along with the fact that, as age increases, so does ability in abstract thinking, spatial awareness etc... Things that would seem to be key to making either new concepts, or complex combos. I'm not saying that younger people are stupid, but that they have not developed yet the right tools to build complex combos or come up with new concepts in spinning.

    Feel free however, to prove me wrong!

  18. Novastrike
    Date: Fri, Jan 25 2008 19:08:45

    QUOTE (Mats @ Jan 26 2008, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    This, along with the fact that, as age increases, so does ability in abstract thinking, spatial awareness etc... Things that would seem to be key to making either new concepts, or complex combos. I'm not saying that younger people are stupid, but that they have not developed yet the right tools to build complex combos or come up with new concepts in spinning.


    Totally agree!!!

    And also, it depends on how long that person have been in this community.
    People tends to have more ideals when you tend to spin long enough.

  19. QuestionMark
    Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 17:25:30

    I think the best time to learn PS is when you are about 12-14 like LMnet said. younger kids tend to lose interest and get bored quite easily, or just give up if a trick is a bit to hard for them, while older people, will just see pen spinning as an idiotic thing, and like many of those older kids said to me, "you have no life".
    I'm almost 15, and started learning when I was 14.

  20. Baron
    Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 21:46:14

    As a teen, you stay up later trying to finish your homework so you pen spin to keep you awake. I just entered secondary school, so i stay up a lot more now. sleep.gif

  21. Mats
    Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 23:39:15

    QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 26 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    As a teen, you stay up later trying to finish your homework so you pen spin to keep you awake. I just entered secondary school, so i stay up a lot more now. sleep.gif


    As a teen, I stayed up later to get high. Fuck homework!

  22. xxdefinitionxx
    Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 07:20:43

    Everything is easier learned when you are young. Things stick easier in an immatured brain.

  23. sathonmig
    Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 08:35:22

    Well if you learn when you're young, you will become too obsessed with pen spinning... School and life will be destroyed. Because ps is so addictive.

    tongue.gif

  24. xxdefinitionxx
    Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 09:38:38

    QUOTE (sathonmig @ Jan 27 2008, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Well if you learn when you're young, you will become too obsessed with pen spinning... School and life will be destroyed. Because ps is so addictive.

    tongue.gif


    that could be applied to almost any activity that an individual is fond of..

  25. ellusion67
    Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 11:17:51

    i think better to learn when younger..cuz kid study faster than adult..and became pro penspinner when them adult..

  26. servantofGod
    Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 15:45:24

    Well if you learn when you are too old you could break a hip doing a knee bouce.

    Yea its like languages. little ones have an easier time getting a hold of two languages because their brains are more receptive. As they get older it gets harder to learn things quickly.

    edit:this seems to be a glitch. I posted twice somehow?

  27. servantofGod
    Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 15:45:25

    Well if you learn when you are too old you could break a hip doing a knee bouce.

    Yea its like languages. little ones have an easier time getting a hold of two languages because their brains are more receptive. As they get older it gets harder to learn things quickly.

  28. Mats
    Date: Sun, Jan 27 2008 16:21:29

    QUOTE (servantofGod @ Jan 27 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yea its like languages. little ones have an easier time getting a hold of two languages because their brains are more receptive. As they get older it gets harder to learn things quickly.


    It's not like learning language. When children are less than 3-4 years, their brains are at the best to pick up how to make the sounds of a language, to develop proper pronounciation. As age increases beyond this, these areas of the brain become weaker. After a while (I think age roughly seven), the areas are significantly weaker. This is because by this age the languages sounds should have been mastered.
    Skills used in pen spinning however, are ones that tend to be stronger when much older, and don't even start developing until long after language skills have been at their peak. Abstract thinking, creativity, ability to understand instructions and then learn from them, all these skills don't even begin to develop until you are reaching 7-8 years, and then take perhaps as much as a decade to really become strong. Try giving a 10 year old the instructions on how to build a wardrobe or try to explain a theory to them, and they will almost certainly have great difficulties!
    So, as you get older, most things become easier to learn, including those things that are used in pen spinning. Language is an exceptional case.

    I'm afraid I can't comment on motor skills because I'm not very familiar with kids motor skills compared with adults or older kids motor skills.
    QUOTE
    cuz kid study faster than adult


    Study faster? Most things are easier picked up as you become an adult, as the mind is then fully developed and able to understand concepts much more quickly, as well as using past experience to apply learned things to new situations in order to more quickly understand them. The only advantage children have is that they tend to have more time to study, with many adults tied down with a job and family commitments.

  29. JinFX
    Date: Fri, Feb 8 2008 13:46:14

    I agree with Mats, little kids are able to learn certain things because they come prepared to learn them, especially language. Perhaps we felt as if we learned more in our youth because we we weren't taught as much, in fact most of the world is shielded, even hidden from children so they can "learn" to be adults. I'd there is no problem picking up pen spinning beyond one's twenties as long as the specific individual finds the spinning but even more importantly the community attractive to them. Best time to start I'd say is midway through high school, and that's not just me, I spent the most efforts on pen spinning in late high school, but also found previously long time community members who leave are past high school or college, but in the future these may well be those who are contribute most to the growth of pen spinning.

  30. Invincibleman
    Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 14:38:00

    I think pen spinning is just like any other sport. Most football starts have been playing since they were kids so I guess that means you should learn a sport when you are young.

  31. awsome
    Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 22:30:01

    I am 16 and I got into pen spinning recently. I feel a little old, but if I was any younger I would of been to immature to actually apply myself to learning stuff on my own including pen spinning. I think if you pick it up young (like 8) you are more likely to not devote enough time to it and give it up, reducing their chance to pick it up when they would of practiced sufficiently. I think the ideal time to learn something is as soon as you are mature enough to persevere until you learn it.

  32. Se7en
    Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 02:43:07

    i wished i had learn pen spinning sooner sad.gif

  33. cluu1
    Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 16:32:54

    it is easier to learn when young becuause when your young
    your brain an mind isn't cluttered with other things yet
    therefore it is very easy to learn everything

  34. Product
    Date: Thu, Mar 20 2008 18:34:30

    in my opinion , you can learn thing out of school better if ur younger but when ur older ur fine-feelings( donno what it is in english) are better

  35. someone09
    Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 00:38:43

    i told my friend that young kids learn faster, so he got his little sister into ps and she learned charge, shadow, sonic, and ta in a week (maybe less, I don't remember).

  36. nateiskewl
    Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 01:03:30

    I started spinning when I was 11, so I started pretty young. I don't think that age affects ability, it just affects the time it takes to learn.

  37. B3ndythumbs
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 20:11:34

    actually, if u r older, u should be able to catch on quicker. so i think it doesnt matter. if you start younger, u will have a headstart in the beginning, but the late starters should catch up. i mean, once you learn the fundamentals, the other ones come pretty smooth.

  38. asian pen
    Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 04:31:15

    QUOTE (B3ndythumbs @ Mar 30 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    actually, if u r older, u should be able to catch on quicker. so i think it doesnt matter. if you start younger, u will have a headstart in the beginning, but the late starters should catch up. i mean, once you learn the fundamentals, the other ones come pretty smooth.



    i second that

  39. Viper-X
    Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 08:59:46

    It's better to start young coz when your older, you pretty much own your friends at spinning at such a young age.

  40. Sleeve
    Date: Tue, Apr 22 2008 15:16:47

    I think everything is better to learn at a younger age...it's a proven fact that you pick up stuff better at younger ages.

    EDIT: I hate those young bastards in video games that are awesome but have high voices and trash talk...

  41. Shadowserpant
    Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 05:38:04

    well, kids are impatient and tend to get frustrated and give up easily. also, kids dont really use pens
    and kids are indeed less able to understand the tricks, thus rendering them less able to incorporate them into creative combos

    BUT

    psychologically (i dont know how to spell that) speaking, kids are better able to learn things. many studies have proven this. they say that once you hit puberty you lose the ability to automatically pick up languages spoken around you. indeed, a grown man could probably go live in japan for 30 years and he probably wouldnt learn anything unless he tried

    but yea, i think the biggest thing is that they're too impatient to learn alot of it
    also, i think they'd have less control over the precision of their hands

  42. Proof
    Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 18:23:22

    i showed my 9yo cousin a trick, a TA 1.5 and an hour later i was leaving he was doing some twisted version of a TA harmonic...i thought he had gotten my trick wrong and fluked that but he could do loads of diffrent variations on request, i mean i still cant do a TAharmonic that well! if only he didn't have the concentration span of a goldfish!

  43. Acidic
    Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 19:50:21

    my 6 year old neighbor learned sonic and TA in like 30 min and it took my friend at school (17) 3 or 4 days just to get the TA down XD