UPSB v3
Philosophy / Penspinning; not a true art?
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 10:17:50
I find penspinning beautiful. Penspinning itself is an art in every way. But one thing is wrong; we compete. You can't compete in art, atleast that's how I see it. Maybe we just haven't developed enough to make penspinning a true art, and at times this all too true. If you look at the best combos being made right now, it's really hard to tell aside if any of them is better than the other, or if both just are perfect in their own way.
Thoughts about this? Can one compete in an art? Does penspinning become an art once combos come up to a certain level? -
Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 10:24:20
Music is an art, yet there are contests where people compete against each other, so I wouldn't say pen spinning isn't true art based on this.
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 10:28:44
Can one truly compete in music then? Competitions like the Eurovision Song Contest are but lame excuses to make money...
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 10:35:59
But if you compare, let's say, a piano contest, to a pen spinning battle with judges. The winner is determined by the judge(s) personal preferences, tastes etc. If you say that you're not (truly) competing in the piano contest, how is it different from pen spinning?
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 10:37:01
but like sand art contest where ppl compete for money ...
that would be an art where you would compete -
Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 10:48:44
Okay, minor competitions based on what the judges like and not. But now in PS we are having a World Cup, that's a lot bigger. I can't imagine any contests like one in piano on a higher level, just those noobish kind of competitions with not pro-players.
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 11:01:48
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 13:52:17
There exists music competition in Classical music, which is an art.
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 14:36:38
Competitions of penspinning are merely a way to appreciate penspinning, which means pros and cons of those competitions have nothing to do with whether or not penspinning is an art. Some people assume penspinning to be an art, others assume it to be something else.
So, I think nobody can or should define what exactly penspinning is successfully. -
Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 16:59:04
the fact people compete in it doesnt have anything to do with it being, or not being, and art
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 18:23:04
I think is something that can be compete.
Everything you compare there will be some good ones and some lousy ones. It depends on how nicely you present the art. I think competing can bring the art to another higher level.
That's my personal opinion =D -
Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 21:21:05
acrobatik is an art, but there are olympic disciplines...
so, you can compete in art.
but you have to make a difference between the art and the competition.
art is relativ. someone thinks a combo is better, another one thinks its not better.
collabs are art. if just present your combos and try to let it look special, it's art.
to make a competition, you need rules for the art. you need definitions for special areas (like difficulty, speed, smoothness, ... ).
of course you cant really call it an art then, because the attention of the spinner is to win.
buuuuut - > if you take a combo, which was done for a tournament and you watch it after the tournament (without the conditions of a tournament) it is art again. -
Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 22:17:38
A competition in who can make the most expressive and emotional pen spinning combo.
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Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 22:41:11
I would consider pen spinning a sport and not an art, as there are things like gaming competitions.
However, the way you present your spinning may be considered art-like to some people. -
Date: Wed, Feb 20 2008 05:15:06QUOTE (Colt @ Feb 19 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I would consider pen spinning a sport and not an art, as there are things like gaming competitions.
Now i use to take starcraft very seriously...but the only reason that is a sport, is because the best players make 400 grand a year playing, and penspinning maybe, $20
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Date: Wed, Feb 20 2008 20:42:38
Well, I think art is subjective, and I actually see competing in pen spininng a very positive thing. I like to think that it pushes the art even further.
And since the 'goodness' of a combo is measured in aesthetics or difficulty, it's a very subjective thing since there's no real objective way of saying some is better than another. -
Date: Thu, Feb 21 2008 03:22:00
isn't food a type of art and people always compete.... for example food network's iron chef america =D
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Date: Thu, Feb 21 2008 03:45:43
I don't think art and competition really relate to each other.....
pen spinning is definitely an art form.....
I think.....................
The Art of Penspinning = The fact that we practice and learn different tricks, combos...
If you practice often and learn new things, then it is the art of penspinning....
If you just spin your pen during class, and nowhere else, then it's not not.....
it's kinda like martial arts and fighting....
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Date: Thu, Feb 21 2008 07:49:28
Pen spinning is a COMPETITION ART.
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Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 11:11:30
Well you have to ask yourselfs two questions:
1st: What is art?
"The most common usage of the word "art," which rose to prominence after 1750, is understood to denote skill used to produce an aesthetic result." - Wikipedia
2nd: What is pen spinning?
So art is understood as skill. Does it takes skill to pen spinn? I think it does. Mostly like in other forms of art, you need to practice to get better, just like in PS.
Another explanation
Take martial arts. Is it an art? Ofc it is, its martial ARTs. You compete, you practice to get better, you need skill to do it.
So my opinion is that pen spinning is definitely an art. -
Date: Sun, Feb 24 2008 21:17:34
Wow. Wikipedia has the best definition of the word 'art' I've heard. Based on that, you're right, I believe.
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Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 20:05:38
Wikipedia is user-edited. use dictionary.com or something.
As to the topic, i think it is. Manipulating a pen to do crazy spins and loops requires talent/skill. -
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 11:24:58
pen spinning is an art for sure...wikipedia to see definition of art.
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Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 17:58:02
I think it is an art because even though we may compete look at people in other kinds of sports, even thought they compete they consider their sport and artform.
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Date: Mon, Apr 7 2008 00:59:57
michaelangelo and leonardo da vinci always compete. also raphael....well they are the GODLIKE artists arent they? and u say theres no competition in art...they always compete
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Date: Wed, Apr 9 2008 19:19:34
In the wrong hands, pen spinning becomes less than an art.
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Date: Thu, Apr 10 2008 12:24:12QUOTE (Tialys @ Apr 9 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In the wrong hands, pen spinning becomes less than an art.
i dont like this approach. art has amateur artists as well as professional ones
ps is not an art imo because it doesnt express any emotions or ideas.
when you watch a penspinning combo, you're either impressed with the skill, or enjoy the look of it.
while when your listening to a musical piece, all sorts of things go through your head (often you're impressed by the skill or look\sound of it, but its not the focus of the deal)
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Date: Thu, Apr 10 2008 20:31:19QUOTE (Vall3y @ Apr 10 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i dont like this approach. art has amateur artists as well as professional ones
You misunderstood his point. It's not about how good you are, it's about what you do with it. In music and art it just as much depends on whose hands it is in. -
Date: Thu, Apr 10 2008 22:23:27
You don't have to compete.
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Date: Fri, Apr 11 2008 02:02:03
I think something becomes an art when you are expressing the way you feel through doing that.
If you can express the way you feel through the way you spin then I believe for you, pen-spinning is a true art. -
Date: Tue, May 13 2008 00:19:36
Dancing is an art
think of Dancing with the Stars, its a competition, and in no way doesn't make Dancing not an art -
Date: Tue, May 13 2008 03:18:02
To me Penspinning is definitely an art because, well, there is an art to it.
But because the fact that there are competitions refect nothing upon spinning as an art, they reflect on the competitiveness of the people.
Anything nowadays can be used to compete, running, eating, even sometimes breathing (held underwater the longest)
There don't need to competitions. So they don't really seem to be related, penspinning and tournaments. -
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 19:57:43
Competition tend to make people's blood boil, and when your blood boils like hell you make good combo. So yeah, I think whatever is it that we're doing, art or sport, men just need competition...
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Date: Wed, May 21 2008 22:28:22
pen spinning is different for every person and we should respect that.
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Date: Sat, May 24 2008 04:26:27QUOTE (egu-splosion @ May 22 2008, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>pen spinning is different for every person and we should respect that.
Agree.QUOTE (Wikipedia)there is no general agreed-upon definition of art
Why so desperated to define what pen spinning is?
Some people use pen spinning to practise hand mussle and dex to improve in doing some other manipulations like card flourishes, coin tricks, etc. Some people who only know pen spinning(not seriously into any other manipulations) are trying to make super smooth spinning or incredible flow of combo. And some are pen spinning for to impress other people, be the strongest and bla bla other reasons that i can't think of now.
For example, if you think pen spinning is an art, but when the true and clear definition of pen spinning says it's not an art, are you quitting pen spinning?
Or, if you think pen spinning is an art, you want everyone who pen spinning see it as an art?
"you" means those who read this post.
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Date: Sat, May 24 2008 15:20:05
Lol Cyshing said almost everything I wanted to say...
Bottomline: Opinions.
You can't expect everyone to think the same as you, everybody is different....
BTW: Cyshing I love you signature xD Did you made it up? -
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 15:21:26QUOTE (loonwern93 @ Apr 6 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>pen spinning is an art for sure...wikipedia to see definition of art.
Wikipedia is NOT omnipotent, contary to popular belief. As usual, the answer to all pen-spinning realated Philosophical question in UPSB, is that it is all up to an individual's definition and views of the subject matter. -
Date: Mon, May 26 2008 14:02:59QUOTE (Tama @ May 24 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>BTW: Cyshing I love you signature xD Did you made it up?
well... it's off topic but... yes, it's my thinking.
my chinese isn't very good but it was suddenly came into my mind to form the sentence like that.
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Date: Mon, Jun 2 2008 01:29:24
Well, I think Scott has touched on the key point here: that art involves artistic self-expression. When you listen to a symphony, you are also hearing the composer's feelings. When you view a monument, you are also seeing the motivations of the architect. This is why music and architecture are indisputably art forms.
Art involves transforming feelings and emotions into physical phenomena that reflect these psychological traits.
Then, the question becomes whether people spin to express themselves or for a different reason. And this is why pen spinning is not set in stone but its interpretation varies from spinner to spinner. To one, it may be a bona fide art form while to another it may merely be a diversion—something performed idly to pass time. But unlike "music" or "architecture", the words "pen spinning" do not intrinsically suggest artistic self-expression when you first hear them, which is why it is difficult to objectively state that PS is an art regardless of whoever practices it. -
Date: Tue, Jun 10 2008 14:06:19
Is juggling a true art?
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Date: Tue, Jun 10 2008 18:29:12QUOTE (egu-splosion @ May 22 2008, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>pen spinning is different for every person and we should respect that.
I think it's the right answer, for pser (the most part) psing is an art like painting for painter or music for musicians, but for ppl who don't practice psing, it's just a hobby/pastime, they don't see the way we see and practice psing.
Everybody sees a thing in a different way so nobody can say which discipline is or isn't an art. -
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 10:47:42QUOTE (Sfsr @ Feb 19 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I find penspinning beautiful. Penspinning itself is an art in every way. But one thing is wrong; we compete. You can't compete in art, atleast that's how I see it. Maybe we just haven't developed enough to make penspinning a true art, and at times this all too true. If you look at the best combos being made right now, it's really hard to tell aside if any of them is better than the other, or if both just are perfect in their own way.
Thoughts about this? Can one compete in an art? Does penspinning become an art once combos come up to a certain level?
sure you can compete
there are always competitions about what photgraph is better, which painting is more appealing etc etc
i think pen spinning becomes an art when people start getting creative with it and invent new and innovative things -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 23:55:43
I'd say it shifts from a sport to an art.
When you are competing in a tournament, trying to get to the top,
that is definitely a sport.
But when you're just posting videos of yourself spinning for
fun of it or just spinning alone, it is certainly an art as much as painting or
music. -
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 00:58:35
It's not an art, it's a circus act/skill...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 08:57:01
O..k.. my opinion:
Ok, lets take art as.. well.. literally.. art! as in drawings and such..
And we have drawing/sketching/painting competitions. So why not Pen spinning? Im sure that as long as there's something where people can get better at other people at, there will be competitions.. art or not. -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 12:04:46
Because its not even in the same ctagory as that...
it's more like a talent, or a hobby, where you compare your pen that you make to others and comapre your skil to others...