UPSB v3
General Discussion / Re-doing the Tutorials
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 18:08:38
I was thinking about re-doing all of my tutorials and following a much better format, similar to the one used in my Basketball Spin tutorial. This would be good since it'll have the following format:
1) Introduction to the trick
2) Step by step instruction
3) Slow motion replay for both hands
I also get to work on my speaking, since I tend to stutter and pause a lot. Lots of brain farts. And the time spent on teaching should be less. The majority of time is wasted on actually doing the tricks multiple times.
Only bad thing is that I will delete all of the comments and ratings, all of the views, and the links will be broken. I guess a solution is to create another account on YouTube.
As for the handedness, I will choose right as the dominant, since I got lots of whining in the comments. There will be a window within the main video for leftys as well.
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 18:15:36
well, definitely add more slow motion versions of the trick like at the end and show the trick a couple times in the beginning
i had liked that so that :
1-showing it in the beginning=so i can either continue and learn it or skip it, and go to anotehr trick insetead
2-showing it in the end= so i can check the motion and keep on checking the movement of the pen myself when i'm practicing it
(well, i dont' really need to learn many of the tricks you have so this doens't really apply to me
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oh, and no offense, but make sure you can do the trick pretty well before actually doing the tutorial, despite how estatic you may be about teaching it'''
cause in your twisted sonic bust>bak rev tutorial, you don't do the actual trick too often
so make sure you can do it well before teaching it to let people know that it's actually possible
well, good luck
this is gonna be a lot of work for you
have you decided on your new username yet? is 'eso' taken?
edit: forget about the slowmotioning in the end, you already mentioned that... sorry for repeating what you had said already''' -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 18:20:03
I don't know... your last tutorial had a really bad buzzing noise over your voice.
I guess you should only do it if that issue is resovled.
Personally, I think that the tutorials you have now are just fine.
I'm a righty, but I was still able to learn from all of your tutorials. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 18:24:51QUOTE (Xero @ Mar 4 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't know... your last tutorial had a really bad buzzing noise over your voice.
That was because I accidentally made my headphone microphone as audio input, rather than the microphone on my webcam. My headphones were sitting on top of my case, so that's why you heard the buzzing noise. Next time, I'll put the headphones on so you can hear me loud and clear.
I'll try to work on the lighting as well.
JC, if you think consistency is a requirement for my tutorials, then over half of my tutorials are as good as nonexistent. I can do the tricks, and I understand the techniques behind them. It's just that I suck at spinning. Even after a year, I can only do Twisted Sonic Bust > Bak Rev 1/10 times.
So, if I were to follow your advice, then a lot of tutorials will be missing. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 19:03:56
For dealing with right/left handed issues couldnt you just video edit a mirror image of your clips so it looks right handed (for all those people complaining)? That way you wont have to perfect all the tricks on your non-dominant hand...unless of course you're training for 1p2h in which case maybe teaching the tricks with your right hand will give you good practice :>
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 19:15:31
Actually I got zero problems following your tutorial(that only applies to me, other I am not sure). For me, I don't think there's a need, it will take up a lot of your time to re-do everything.
But on the other hand, if you are a perfectionist and want to perfect all your tutorial, I would say, go for it!
Good Luck Eso! -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 19:44:12QUOTE (K4S @ Mar 4 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For dealing with right/left handed issues couldnt you just video edit a mirror image of your clips so it looks right handed (for all those people complaining)? That way you wont have to perfect all the tricks on your non-dominant hand...unless of course you're training for 1p2h in which case maybe teaching the tricks with your right hand will give you good practice :>
Yeah, that's what I intended to do. But I wanted to redo it anyways (using my left hand) so I don't stutter and pause as much. I feel like some of the tutorials feel a little too long. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 20:37:41
I don't think you should do it.
If you can't watch a tutorial because it's too long, then you probably don't have time for penspinning.
But if you do make new ones with your right. DON'T delete your old ones. As you said, make a new account and upload them there, and post the url in the description of the old tutorial.
Got to many views/comments/favourits etc to delete them. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 21:00:23
If someone can't learn the trick from the tutorial that is already there, they must be either stupid, or not putting the proper effort into learning the trick. The tutorials are fine and certainly do not need to be re-done. Do pen spinners need to be spoon fed with a golden spoon these days?
I think it would be a lot better if you were to make a couple more tutorials on other tricks, especially rarer tricks, than if you were to re-do all the ones that are all already to a standard from which anyone can learn from them. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 21:14:22QUOTE (Eso @ Mar 4 2008, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah, that's what I intended to do. But I wanted to redo it anyways (using my left hand) so I don't stutter and pause as much. I feel like some of the tutorials feel a little too long.
Well I am not a refferance, but I got a few tutorials and I also find myself talking for too long =). I never thought you being left handed changed anything actually. You should maybe write a text and read it so it's a clean sort of Video Tutorial, that's what I plan on doing from now on. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 21:27:30
1. Fuck load of time
2. I liked the ones you have right now
3. They're all perfectly fine -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 21:34:15
If it doesn't require a lot of hard work, i say go for it since i wll help a lot of new people in the future and you wont get that much complaints like you said.
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 22:18:39
If redoing them will be easy, and you WANT to do it, then by all means, go ahead.
However, I don't think it's necessary. And if anyone complains about it, just ignore them.
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 22:25:25QUOTE (Xero @ Mar 4 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If redoing them will be easy, and you WANT to do it, then by all means, go ahead.
However, I don't think it's necessary. And if anyone complains about it, just ignore them.
No, it won't be easy. It will take some thought and rehearsal. =/
The reason this thread came up is because some guy wanted to create a new YouTube account that flips all of my videos. He asked me if he could. I figured if there were going to be anything done, it would be me since it's my content. =/ -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 23:15:46
oh. Then just make an account called righty-eso or something, and rehost the videos flipped. That should solve the problem.
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 23:43:54
Well whatever you do don't delete your tutorials. Don't give in to the people who whine that your left handed. I'm right handed and I learned perfectly from you. Don't doo ittt.
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 23:47:58
just do what you did for Twisted sonic bust>bak rev
you uploaded a side video of the trick ACTUALLY BEING PERFORMED
just video response extra trick only videos onto each tut
Content/explanation of your videos is always good.....but people need to see the trick more -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 23:53:52
I think they're fine
just as crzyazn said a vid response to a slow mo of you doing it sounds good. and if any rightys say i cant do i cause ur left-handed tell them ignore them or tell them to think critically what do they have a brain for -
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 00:04:04
yeagh i think you should make new tutorials but with a new account so all the links don;t die
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Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 00:16:14
mhmm...well if actually performign the trick is a problem during the vid, just dont' do it then and do what crzyazn was saying--just take a vid of that trick seperately and add it in later
as for all the people complaining, as much as i agree with everyone and don't believe that it's reallly necessary to put the mirror image video up, i wouldn't want to deal with all teh complaints and annoying comments that everyone posts if you don't
so even they should put in the effort, i doubt you'd want to deal with those annoying noobs ^_^''
as for the lengths of teh videos, i liked the length that you had them at
if you want to shorten them, that's fine, it's understandable
but i always found your vids to be the most trustworthy tutorials since they were the longest and most explanation and showed that you put your most effort into making them
as compared to those other people who take a video of a trick, put it in slo mo, and call it a tutorial >.> -
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 00:28:54
Maybe change the name of the tutorials you have now or add left hand to it, and just make new tutorials for right hand? just me :>
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Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 00:50:04QUOTE (Mats @ Mar 4 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If someone can't learn the trick from the tutorial that is already there, they must be either stupid, or not putting the proper effort into learning the trick. The tutorials are fine and certainly do not need to be re-done. Do pen spinners need to be spoon fed with a golden spoon these days?
I think it would be a lot better if you were to make a couple more tutorials on other tricks, especially rarer tricks, than if you were to re-do all the ones that are all already to a standard from which anyone can learn from them.
I agree with Mats, you've already put a ton of work into the existing videos. Anyone who whines about them not being in-dept enough or not oriented the correct way is too worthless to worry about. Your videos are already so much more than anything else out on the web. If people are not happy with what you have done, they can ask other people to put the same amount of work in as you have. Unless you have a personal reason to re-do a video, I wouldn't worry about it, tell the whiners to piss off. -
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 01:10:04QUOTE (sketching @ Mar 4 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I agree with Mats, you've already put a ton of work into the existing videos. Anyone who whines about them not being in-dept enough or not oriented the correct way is too worthless to worry about. Your videos are already so much more than anything else out on the web. If people are not happy with what you have done, they can ask other people to put the same amount of work in as you have. Unless you have a personal reason to re-do a video, I wouldn't worry about it, tell the whiners to piss off.
i second that -
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 02:10:55
I think they are good as they are... But if you want to re-do em and think you can do em even better, then i say go ahead...
Could you link the bball spin tutorial please? -
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 07:20:03QUOTECould you link the bball spin tutorial please?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-AEf5pKROqU
i don't think you need to do it again. itd be better making a website for the pen spinning tutorials rather than remaking them. (or not)
even if you are redoing the tutorials i don't think you should bother with the whole mirror thing. i'm sure you learned most of your tricks by looking at a person doing it with their right hand. so don't bother. -
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 12:43:54
I think the only one you need to re-do is the BBall one, because of the sound quality.
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Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 12:55:56
I do not think re-doing the tutorials is a good idea either
Your tutorials are very good and I learned a lot out of it.... and I am right handed
But if re-doing will with better quality and more understanding for those that do not understand your tutorials, then maybe good to re-do. BUT in my opinion, you have done a very great job for all tutorials!!! >_< -
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 13:10:20
Thanks for all of your responses! I think I'll redo the Bball Spin one.
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Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 14:26:31
I don't think it's necessary for you to re-do every thing... your tutorials are already great, and if you want, just upload a mirror vid of them or something
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Date: Sun, Mar 9 2008 21:13:13
I voted null, but the slow motion is nice. On the other hand, your tutorials have already done a great job in teaching tons of people tricks...
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Date: Sun, Mar 9 2008 21:17:00
i voted no, although slow motion would be great. i don't think that you should redo all of your tutorials.
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Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 04:10:00
I love your tutorials. I must say when I heard that you’re where considering re doing them I got a little excited to see the new ones. But it will take you a lot of time; they are already easy to learn off of and in depth. You have no obligation to redo them. If you want to then go for it. I think the mirror image is a good thing. It will cut down the whines and what not. I am Ambidextrous with pen spinning so the left handedness never bothered me I usually learn in my right. Slow motion is a good idea as well. Maybe shoot the tricks from different camera angles to give a new perspective on the tricks. Show the best viewing angle for tricks when applicable. Don't feel like you have to spend your time re doing the best pen spinning tutorials because people whine about what hand you use.
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Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 14:26:31
All you tuts are great. I just wanna ask, theres a few tuts which you include this in but can you like show your tricks in like a small combo? E.g With your Neosonic tut, you linked it up with a FL TA rev i think. Theres more im sure of it.
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Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 15:44:30
alot of us including me learned from them just fine
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Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 19:52:57
I voted no, becuase your tutorials are great as is. However if you really wish to redo them, then by all means go ahead. No one is stopping you. But don't delete your old tutorials, you could make a new account but if I was you I would just post them with updated names as responses to your old tutorials. Also for the people that are complaining you can just say:
Once upon a time tutorials used to be text/picture-based.
Then we were blessed with videos and a forums.
And send them a text-based tutorial of how to do some random trick.. You know, if your feeling
or something like that. 
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Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 20:16:03
you have already made a great deal of effort to the ps community with making your videos and all.
make a new tutorial is all up to you.
personally, there fine.