UPSB v3

General Discussion / "Mirrored" Notation Discussion

  1. Xero
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 02:15:52

    For certain established Combos or Hybrids, I was thinking of a new form of notation.
    Whenever a combo is broken down, reversed, but then performed in the same order, it should be called Mirrored.


    Twisted Sonic Bust 23-12
    The Twisted Sonic Bust 23-12 has clearly been defined as

    • Twisted Sonic 1.0 23-12 ~> Indexaround 12-12

    Therefore, a Mirrored Twisted Sonic Bust 12-23 would be
    • Twisted Sonic 1.0 12-23 ~> RingBak 23-23


    Demon's Sonic 34-12
    The Demon's Sonic has clearly been defined as
    • Sonic Normal 0.5 34-23 ~> Fingerless Middlearound Normal 0.5 23-12 ~> Charge Normal 0.5 12

    Therefore a Mirrored Demon's Sonic 12-34 would be
    • Sonic Reverse 0.5 12-23 ~> Fingerless Ringaround Reverse 0.5 23-34 ~> Charge Reverse 0.5 34

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    It is important to know that I am NOT naming reverses!
    • Twisted Sonic Reverse: Korean Backaround 12-12 ~> Twisted Sonic Reverse 1.0 12-23
    • Demon's Sonic Reverse: Charge Rev 0.5 12 ~> Middlearound Rev 0.5 12-23 ~> Sonic Reverse 0.5 23-34

  2. TeddyTemptation
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 02:27:22

    i see what you're talking about.

    but i think just naming them how they are is fine right now.

    Besides isn't there a name for the mirrored demon's sonic already? :teddyisconfused:

  3. Xero
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 02:32:03

    QUOTE (TeddyTemptation @ Mar 18 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Besides isn't there a name for the mirrored demon's sonic already? :teddyisconfused:

    Don't confuse a "Mirrored Demon's Sonic 12-34" with these:
    QUOTE (sketching @ Feb 3 2008, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Demon's Sonic 34-12 = Sonic 0.5 34-23 ~ Middlearound 0.5 23-12 ~ Charge 0.5 12
    Demon's Sonic Reverse 12-34 = Charge Rev 0.5 12 ~ Middlearound Rev 0.5 12-23 ~ Sonic Reverse 0.5 23-34
    Inverse Demon's Sonic 34-12 = Inv Sonic 0.5 34-23 ~ Middlearound Rev 0.5 23-12 ~ Charge 0.5 12
    Inverse Demon's Sonic Reverse 12-23 = Charge Rev 0.5 12 ~ Middlearound 0.5 12-23 ~ Inv Sonic Reverse 0.5 23-34

  4. sangara
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 03:10:49

    Interesting, I don't think this would take though, just make more confusion. A lot of people already have trouble with notation and breakdowns. The thing I'm having trouble with is that how would you do (for example)
    Twisted Sonic 12-23 wouldn't that just be Warped Sonic? Unless you do Charge Rev .5 -> Pass 12-23 but then it just becomes Twisted Sonic Rev 12-23. I guess the main reason is that it becomes an entirely different trick (well not entirely but to where it has an official name). Its good input but again, I don't think that it will take.

  5. Xero
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 03:19:25

    The motivation behind this was for combos/hybrids. Not really tricks.
    Since ideally, the Twisted Sonic Bust can only be performed making it's way up the hand, the "Mirrored Twisted Sonic Bust" is like a TwSB, but instead, it goes down the hand.
    Same ideology with the Demon's Sonic and it's Mirror.

  6. sangara
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 05:10:22

    Its just that hybrids are made of specific tricks thats the only reason why I don't think this will take off. Your "Mirrored Twisted Sonic Bust" would just be Warped Sonic 12-23 ~> Ringbak 23-23. Honestly I think that it would be easier to break it as Warped Sonic 12-23 ~> Ringbak 23-23 than, Mirrored Twisted Sonic Bust. When you add names to hybrids like that it just adds another level of possible confusion. I think (if I recall correctly) that the NC actually wanted to start straying away from long hybrid names because of international confusion. Not add another element wink.gif .

    I do like that you are trying to add to the world of PS, you're defiantly showing some outside of the box thinking. Its just that its something we don't need, well in my personal opinion. Thats just my two cents.

  7. Ryuukohaden
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 06:08:23

    "Mirrored Twisted Sonic Bust" would just be Warped Sonic Bust, ne?

  8. LMnet
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 06:16:07

    This hybrid notation system is very old. I proposе this system to describe hybrids long ago, before naming committee create interapted trick notation. And naming committee didn't accept it. Now, i think mirrored system isn't perfect, sometimes it makes confusion and it's very difficult to understand this system for beginners. Interapted trick notation is a lot more easyer to describe hybrids, and u can breaking down every hybrid with this system. Mirrored notation system can describe only few hybrids.

  9. Zombo
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 11:45:18

    no need since we shouldn't rely on hybrid names anyway. just write the reverse interrupted notation.

    and mirrored already means something I think.

  10. Xero
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 14:34:04

    Okay guys, it's no biggie.
    Just thought that I'd pitch the idea. tongue.gif

    @Ryuuk:
    It's not Warped Sonic man.
    It has to be a Reverse Twisted Sonic.

  11. Sfsr
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 15:26:43

    Mirrored used to be a mini combo/hybrid performed in the opposite order. So a Double Charge would go from being a...

    Twisted Sonic -> Warped Sonic

    to Mirrored Double Charge being a...

    Warped Sonic -> Twisted Sonic

    Even though we really shouldn't use Warped Sonic anymore, it's the easiest thing to describe it as since a Pass -> Twisted Sonic would look different. I didn't really understand how you meant it should be used, but just follow the Interrupted Trick Notation for writing down advanced hybrids instead, especially since Mirrored has been used for something else before.

    Also, a Twisted Sonic wouldn't be able to simply go from 12 to 23 since I just can't see how it would be performed in Moonwalk, so I guess you mean Reverse, and a regular RingBak is expected to go from 34 to 34, so it's probably confusing simply writing it like RingBak 23-23.

  12. Xero
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 15:59:41

    This is what I'm talking about, but I don't think it should be called "Twisted Sonic Bust Reverse"

    **not me spinning

  13. Sfsr
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 16:53:04

    Bust is a fingerless fingeraround that comes after a trick. What Banz does there should thus imo be written down as Twisted Sonic Reverse Bust. Twisted Sonic Bust Reverse would be as you wrote at the bottom of your main post, Korean BackAround 12-12 ~> Twisted Sonic Reverse 1.0 12-23.

    EDIT: actually no, I don't know if a Twisted Sonic Reverse should be that.

  14. LMnet
    Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 17:12:05

    I totally agree with Sfsr

  15. Xero
    Date: Thu, Mar 20 2008 16:59:12

    Sfsr, you do bring up a good point about that one.