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General Discussion / Naming stuff after your nick mumbo jumbo
Stop it people...
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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 10:25:55
Fucking stop it.
Do you really think of yourself as such a great and well known penspinner that you can name both mods and collabs after yourself? Look around people, what people here are truly great penspinners. Bonkura? Yeah, and did he ever name a mod after himself? No, he did not. People started calling the Dr KT in specific colors for "Bonkura KT" after he died. The Ayatori mod. Did Ayatori really name it like that, or did people who saw him spin it without knowing what it was name it like that?
I can't stand it anymore. Do you guys really have a that big ego that you need to see things like collabs circulating on the internet with your name on it? Is this where you want penspinning to go? Into the individual, instead of into grouping and teams?
I have personally stopped watching collabs that have peoples name in them. Actually, I've never watched them.
Have fun and stop fucking naming collabs and pens after yourself. I mean, "[insert random nickname] MX", how fucking much does that say about what pen it is?
kthxbai. -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 10:47:15
Are you talking about collabs like sangkm 13th, Huroni 1st, Potatoman 3rd?
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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 10:55:50
Yup. Steen-J 3rd, ZaX 1st, etc.
I mean, what's the point of naming collabs that way? -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 10:59:02
It's hard to think of an awesome name for a collab, you know.
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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 11:33:54
give me a name and i name the collab like that 0.o
For pen mods i agree with you but collabs. . .well you just call it "name 1st" because you want to make a collab but you cant find a matching theme -.- -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 12:40:40
well..about the mod. all. most of the mods named after the creator isn't popular and most likely wont be popular. i can't think of one mod which has a spinner name that is actually famous. (except ayatori and bonkura)Most of them, if not all, are just personal mod for their own and isn't really expected for everyone to make it imo.
(or maybe i just dnt make them)
for the collab, as eriror said, there isn't many names for collabs. unless its board, team, country thats making the collab, its hard to come up with a name. otherwise all the names will be like 'pen spinning collab' <- how boring is that?
and do you want the whole "Production" to stop as well?
this is abit off topic, whats the official name for Weis Backaround? Weis Backaround or just Backaround? -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 12:42:54
It is officially called BackAround.
I was sarcastic about how it's hard to think of a name. Really, you can think of one yourself... -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 13:08:46
hmmm
but if u call your collab "mega penspinning collab" instead of "stuhl's 1st", it's nearly the same...
collabs' names should give a hint of what the collab is about (continious collab, different pen collab ...)
that's it.
i nearly dont watch collabs without themes or backgrounds. (including "personal name collabs")
to the mods:
hmmm. for example s777's mod. i heard it's called s777 MX... i dont know how to build it or anything about. but if I want to talk with someone about this pen I call it s777 MX. why? just easier to talk about then. i dont have to say "the pen, which s777 spins" all the time.
it's also easier to say bonkura KT istead of "KT with skyblue and pink grips". for me these names just make it easier.
but of course, if every mod would include spinners, the situation will change. -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 13:22:42
I think the reasoning behind the naming of collabs is to show who was the promoter/organizer/editor/etc. I doubt many had the notion of intentionally spreading their name while thinking of a name for the collab. I don't think it's a big deal, really. For me, it helps to distinguish between the many collabs out there.
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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 14:34:41
I tend to agree with Sfsr, not because it naming of collabs after a person is annoying, but rather because it is not descriptive enough.
Like, '[Insert Spinner's Name]'s First' does not really describe the content in the collab specifically, but if the collab was named 'Fluidity' or '[Insert Country] Collab', it would make much more sense, and make me more inclined to watch it.
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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 16:04:52QUOTE (DaThroat @ Mar 26 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I tend to agree with Sfsr, not because it naming of collabs after a person is annoying, but rather because it is not descriptive enough.
Like, '[Insert Spinner's Name]'s First' does not really describe the content in the collab specifically, but if the collab was named 'Fluidity' or '[Insert Country] Collab', it would make much more sense, and make me more inclined to watch it.
Yes, but you are aware that there are a lot of collabs that don't have a specific theme or come from a specific country/community >.>
I think that when it comes to collabs it's fine. When it comes to other things, it's not. -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 17:02:04
you got the wrong idea Sfsr, naming is for convenience and this is the most effective way to do it.
first of all, we need to distinguish between two types of collabs: ABSOLUTE and PROGRAM.
Absolute collabs are collabs that have no theme. Even if the videos were inspired by some concrete idea, the collab does not specify. In other words, it focuses on the beauty of the spinning and that's it. You only need to worry about the spinning.
Program collabs are collabs that have a clearly defined theme. It's about something other than pen spinning. It could be the way the collab is made (i.e. 1-day/1-hour collab) or about the theme of the spinning (mess-up collab, fluidity, etc...).
When you name a program collab, it's very easy to give a relevant name that makes sense. Because, the name then becomes directly linked to the content of the collab, it's now very easy to remember that collab by the name. Example: Mess-up Collab instead of TEKKEN Queen 2nd.
When you name an absolute collab, there is no way you can give a proper title to the collab because it is not about anything! When you do, the name is only very loosely attached to the collab or is chosen just to sound cool. Example: Genesis 2nd - Exodus. Exodus has nothing to do with the collab, it's just a cool word. Genesis 2nd is a much easier way to remember the collab.
In that sense any "name" you might give to absolute collabs are in fact subtitles, to add a little flavor. In music, for instance, Haydn's Symphony no.94 is called the Surprise Symphony, because the beginning of the second movement has a loud chord meant to surprise the audience. It has nothing to do at all with the rest of the piece. Other symphonies don't even have such subtitle, because it doesn't evoke anything in particular. It's subject to the interpretation of the listener.
Therefore, if you can't give a name that is not abstract for an absolute collab, what is the most appropriate name? You need to give a name that uniquely identifies the video so that it's easier to remember. Nothing easier than putting a name and a number, like they do in classical music.
Also when you put your name and a number, you already get a lot of information. By knowing who organized it, you can expect certain things. sangkm 13th means it's probably only korean spinners, with great editing. Also, since numbering is chronological, you know which video comes before which, allowing to sort them through time, which can be good if you need to see an evolution in the videos.
All this information would have to be transmitted anyway had the collab had a random title. This is just convenient.
Now as far as the name is concerned, the name of the organizator is the most logical choice. You can't list all the names of all the spinners, that would be impractical. You can't write the name of the community, it would sound official. You could write the name of the editor I guess, like sangkm does.
Giving random names is much worse than giving a name that makes it easier to remember it. Random names give no information and could actually be misleading. You'd try to figure out the reason why it's called like that when in fact the collab has no external meaning at all.
In summary, program collabs need a good name. Absolute collabs should just be named after the organizator + number and may include a subtitle for reference.
Now you might say that in the past, people gave proper names to everything (domination, impulse, vortex, etc.) even to absolute collabs. Yes, and that made it a pain to remember which video was whose. Fortunately, there were not that many videos to begin with so you could remember everything. That's why now we try to eliminate proper names in tricks, combos, etc... -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 19:22:50
Why the fuck not? (talking about pen mods only) - if I personaly created, I can call my creation whatever i want. Im not saying that everyone should make it and use it (not talking about my nick (thats my rl name) to call it - but something like my WTF HaxZ0rz pen - XD. I have a rights to call my created pen mod whatever I like.
(Not talking about collanbs - becouse i dont give a fuck of theire names)
EDIT: Ops some mistakes. -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 21:13:11
I only have one problem with this, yes Bonkura never named a mod after himself. But the way he made his KT's was so different (and the fact that he has since passed) I think that calling something a "Bonkura KT" is more paying respect to him anyway. Just my two cents
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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 23:22:36QUOTE (Salvis @ Mar 26 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why the fuck not? (talking about pen mods only) - if I personaly created, I can call my creation whatever i want. Im not saying that everyone should make it and use it (not talking about my nick (thats my rl name) to call it - but something like my WTF HaxZ0rz pen - XD. I have a rights to call my created pen mod whatever I like.
(Not talking about collanbs - becouse i dont give a fuck of theire names)
but you can compare it with collabs:
If you name your pen like "Salvis Ultra Mod" then NOONE knows what it is. If you call it for example:
"Comssa MXX" then it's clear:
a comssa is used, MX refers to singlecapped and the X stands for sth. random or eXtended
Some time ago i read "s777 MX". . .ookkkaayy i know his pen from his vids. For me it's a singlecapped mod i dont know anything about it.
Frat MX is even worse that i mean you acutally cant even say that MX refers to a singlecapped mod. He could also have named it "Frat Pen"
That's weird makes no sense and i dont think that you have to get "fame" only by naming all your stuff...
For collabs i totally agree with zombo
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Date: Thu, Mar 27 2008 08:30:31
Oh you didn't get me right. I was talking about something like this -> I make a pen mod (by myself) - i call it for example: ''A Cat Shit Pen'' but i dont say people - ''Omg, this is The New Cat Shit Pen'' - go on make it, spin it and call it only like that!'' I call it for my personal use (Like my Fake RSVP MX - becouse it looks like RSVP MX but not even one part used of RSVP and HGG - but thats for my personal use)
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Date: Thu, Mar 27 2008 19:22:59
Collabs: Use "[name]'s 1st" or whatever for solo videos, not collabs, or else it's confusing. All this time I thought those were solo videos too (I never watched them). It's hard to believe that people would even participate in a collab named after the editor, but I guess it happens.
Mods: Can you imagine what it would be like if all the PS tricks were named after their inventors? Naming mods is not much different.
So you can all STOP BITCHING. If you don't bitch about uncreative collabs and mods, then don't bitch about their uncreative names. -
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 03:08:53QUOTE (Salvis @ Mar 27 2008, 03:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh you didn't get me right. I was talking about something like this -> I make a pen mod (by myself) - i call it for example: ''A Cat Shit Pen'' but i dont say people - ''Omg, this is The New Cat Shit Pen'' - go on make it, spin it and call it only like that!'' I call it for my personal use (Like my Fake RSVP MX - becouse it looks like RSVP MX but not even one part used of RSVP and HGG - but thats for my personal use)
i think this is more directed to the people who make tutorials for mods and then name it the "awesome person's mod"
they make the tut and want their mod to be spread around, in order to spread their name and recognition
but the point of makign teh mod is to spread the knowledge, not the modder's name -
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 11:12:28
I have to exlpain about the Frat MX
Actually I didnt want to call it in that way. it's just that everyone was calling it like that so I just took the easiest possibility.
It's obvious that it deals nothing with MX, it's not single-capped, so it's very bad-written.
but well as really everyone was taking this name, it was kinda obvious that I chose this one as well.
I apologize if it's like I was pretentious but really it was not the aim... -
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 11:35:55
I don't have a problem with people naming pen mods after themselves, they're their mods.
If someone organized a collab for no other reason than to make a collab, they might as well name it after themselves since it's as good a name to use as anything else. Otherwise, we'd probably have tons of "Random Collab #..." atleast all collabs named for a certain person can probably be expected to have a general style to it in terms of editing or people involved if the same person always uses spinners from the same group. -
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 09:28:35QUOTE (WhiteFang @ Mar 26 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>and do you want the whole "No, "
Production" to stop as well? Production" is just showing who edited it. You could just as well have "Edited by: " at the end or anything instead. QUOTE (Tialys @ Mar 27 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Collabs: Use "[name]'s 1st" or whatever for solo videos, not collabs, or else it's confusing. All this time I thought those were solo videos too (I never watched them). It's hard to believe that people would even participate in a collab named after the editor, but I guess it happens.Thanks for getting my point. I almost dropped my jaw the first time I looked into a "[name]'s 1st" video thread and saw it was a collab.
Mods: Can you imagine what it would be like if all the PS tricks were named after their inventors? Naming mods is not much different.QUOTE (Tialys @ Mar 27 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So you can all STOP BITCHING. If you don't bitch about uncreative collabs and mods, then don't bitch about their uncreative names.Actually I bitch about those too, just more quietly QUOTE (sketching @ Mar 28 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't have a problem with people naming pen mods after themselves, they're their mods.I don't follow you here sketching. You always argue for naming tricks in a constant way but you don't care about the naming of mods? Like Tialys wrote, "Can you imagine what it would be like if all the PS tricks were named after their inventors?".
@ Zumbo: Are collabs without any thought behind even worth making then? I don't know, you tell me. Also, the team "Genesis" is named after the first book in The Old Testament. The first collab was just called "Genesis", and since this is the second collab it was named after "Exodus", the second book in The Old Testament. So it's not really "just a cool name", it makes sense to people who know about it.
Oh and about the pen thingy, of course it's only if you release a tutorial and all of it and expect people to make it ">__> Otherwise having a name for the pen isn't even needed. -
Date: Tue, Apr 1 2008 02:34:52
@Sfr: I'm all for keeping to a system of trick naming because having a trick naming system is actually important to the hobby. It doesn't make any sense to force people to remember all kinds of random names for tricks that could have sensible names based on the performance of tricks and based on families. Pen spinning tricks are central to the hobby, thus a system for organizing and naming them is important, it makes learning and remembering tricks easier.
With pen mods, you don't need to know about a single one to be able to pen spin. Pen mods are only around to help us, but they are not needed and not very important, in my mind. Creating and following a system of naming pen mods doesn't seem to be a very worthwhile endeavor to me.
On the other hand, I do like it much more when pen mods are named based on the materials used in the mod. That makes sense to me, but I don't feel the need to force people to do so. -
Date: Tue, Apr 1 2008 02:52:52QUOTE (Sfsr @ Mar 31 2008, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ Zumbo: Are collabs without any thought behind even worth making then? I don't know, you tell me. Also, the team "Genesis" is named after the first book in The Old Testament. The first collab was just called "Genesis", and since this is the second collab it was named after "Exodus", the second book in The Old Testament. So it's not really "just a cool name", it makes sense to people who know about it.
ok sorry didnt know.
collabs without any thought even worth making?
is music without meaning worth making? absolute music, like most of Beethoven's symphonies?
it's worth making for the sake of the beauty of pen spinning alone. you're basically saying you can't appreciate pen spinning if it's not attached to an external motive. -
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 22:54:07
@ Zumbo: Are collabs without any thought behind even worth making then? I don't know, you tell me. Also, the team "Genesis" is named after the first book in The Old Testament. The first collab was just called "Genesis", and since this is the second collab it was named after "Exodus", the second book in The Old Testament. So it's not really "just a cool name", it makes sense to people who know about it.
w8
if i knew about that i wouldn't have joined.
I'm just joking, but we didn't have anything related to the bible in our collab.
So, it pretty much is just a cool name. -
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 22:56:32
uhh yea I didn't know about that, that's what I realized in the post above.
collabs without thought doesn't mean its meaningless. all it means is that "we don't have a theme, all we want is appreciate the beauty of pen spinning". Do you need a theme to make a collab which is just about good spinning? no. -
Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 14:20:18
Didn't bonkura name it bonkura KT because he used dr grip grips at the end not uhh sailor grips?? He didn't name it ofc, but he used it so yeah people must have called it the bonkura kt because only he used it. I mean i wouldn't mind something being called after me, that'll be cool
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 14:34:21QUOTEDidn't bonkura name it bonkura KT because he used dr grip grips at the end not uhh sailor grips?? He didn't name it ofc, but he used it so yeah people must have called it the bonkura kt because only he used it. I mean i wouldn't mind something being called after me, that'll be cool smile.gifQUOTEBonkura? Yeah, and did he ever name a mod after himself? No, he did not. People started calling the Dr KT in specific colors for "Bonkura KT" after he died.
i'm pretty sure bonkura kt was named after bonkura to honor his death.
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Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 02:56:53
People were calling it the bonkura kt before he died.
Edit: actually, I think I was wrong about that.
Edit: well, this thread was started days before we found out about him being dead, but the title may have been changed a while later. :/