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eriror wins

  1. Erirornal K.
    Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 22:31:11

    Scott Shaputis:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBamHE7OCM



    Erirornal Kraione:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pt5nk0ymTs



    Please vote with care, the votes will be closed in 7 days.

  2. -JC-
    Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 22:45:42

    eriror, that video was definitely not one of your better ones =\
    but it's understandable since you have that injured middle finger of yours and all -__-'''

    +1 scott

  3. ellusion67
    Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 22:47:30

    +1 Erirornal Kraione..i luv your style more..

  4. ArchAngel2
    Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 23:04:30

    i think scott's vid was better....i think he starting to spin faster now...
    not that both of you aren't legendary or anything cool.gif

  5. 11Thrasher11
    Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 23:14:37

    Eriror all the way.

  6. l33tspinner
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 01:18:56

    +1 scott.i love his new style! sorry eriror sad.gif.

  7. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 01:27:15

    QUOTE (l33tspinner @ Mar 28 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    +1 scott.i love his new style! sorry eriror sad.gif.


    He simply sped it up and does more arounds.

    Eriror's video isn't as good as usual, but it still takes my vote. I liked your old cam better Eri.

  8. LMnet
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 02:48:49

    Both combos is very fast and smooth, but also both spinner spammed (Eriror with middle/ring around, Scott with baks). I'm disappointed in Eriror's spinning, i don't see nothing special in new combos. Just smooth and fast spinning, nothing new.
    Vote for Scott, but this is really close battle.

  9. Xero
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 02:51:58

    Scott's was just the same shit over and over and over again. Plus, his speed varied, so it wasn't consistent.
    Eriror's video involved much more complicated tricks/hybrids and had constant fluidity.

    +1 Eriror

  10. walkingjacket
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 03:16:17

    Voted for Eriror, for the same reason as Xero.

    To me, Eriror had the better combo, even though both sides did spam a bit.

  11. RandomNewb
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 03:22:35

    +1 for Eriror. Yeah, he did a few tricks over like the other people said. But, overall, more difficult tricks, kept speed and smoothness constant where it was needed (like that 14 Charge, he stopped, but it's hard to do).

    Hope Eriror takes this one!

  12. Dynamik
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 03:49:03

    voted for scott.

    edit: btw, xero. hop off.

  13. -JC-
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 04:35:32

    well constant fluidity doesn't have to necessarily look nicer =\
    like...what's it called--the rubberband style or something? i think that looks pretty nice and i think that's why scott is doing in his vid..perhaps?

    and eriror around 00:03 stumbles a bit -__-''

  14. song
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 04:37:27

    vote for eriror,becoz of more tricks,difficulty and smoothness

  15. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 04:40:01

    QUOTE (-JC- @ Mar 28 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    well constant fluidity doesn't have to necessarily look nicer =\
    like...what's it called--the rubberband style or something? i think that looks pretty nice and i think that's why scott is doing in his vid..perhaps?

    and eriror around 00:03 stumbles a bit -__-''


    lol, no it's not. It was just something I made up. Scott's spinning just seems -- I don't know -- elastic to me. Yeah, eri had a stumble, but he also has that swollen middle finger.

  16. -JC-
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 04:46:49

    mhm...i think that that should be a style though happy.gif
    like, especially at 00:14-00:15 ishh...

    but like when he goes in order direction, and slows down a bit and then sorta snaps back into the other direction---it sorta reminds me of a rubber band =\ (or even when it's not in the opposite direction--it just slows down and then speeds back up------reminds me of my spinning happy.gif''' except that scott is of course, 1000000000000x better >.> maybe moree....)

  17. Dritan Zulbeari
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 05:51:44

    Wow scott, if only you could of done that for your WC vid. haha
    But Erirors style is fuckin amazing, hes fluidity and speed are hard to beat.

    but yet I did vote for scott cause his style becoming unique from everyone else. And i like it.

  18. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 05:56:03

    QUOTE (Xero @ Mar 28 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Scott's was just the same shit over and over and over again. Plus, his speed varied, so it wasn't consistent.
    Eriror's video involved much more complicated tricks/hybrids and had constant fluidity.

    +1 Eriror


    the speed was supposed to change like that.
    lol

    @dritan
    we'd still be out
    :B

  19. -JC-
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 06:00:01

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Mar 29 2008, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    the speed was supposed to change like that.
    lol

    yess, and it looks good when you do happy.gif
    keep that style wink.gif

  20. sadi teh pirate
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 08:35:29

    +1 for Eriror.....is it just me or does his skill seem under-appreciated lately?

  21. Erirornal K.
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 09:13:00

    Nah, people don't see some tricks I do, that's all. They also expect me to crank out a better video every time. Which isn't that realistic, in my opinion...

    Breakdown: [New things in italic]

    RingAround Reverse 34-34 --> Pass 34-23 --> BackAround 23-T1 ~ Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse -->Pass 12-23 --> Inverse Sonic 23-12 ~> Pass 13-34 --> Sonic 34-23 ~> Inverse Sonic 24-12 --> Inverse Sonic Reverse 12-23 ~> Pass Reverse 13-34 --> RingAround Reverse --> RingAround --> Pass Reverse 34-23 --> IndexMiddleAround 23-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> MiddleRingAround 34-34 --> Pass Reverse 34-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> Pass 34-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> ThumbAround --> ThumbAround Reverse --> Pass 23-12 --> BackAround ~ Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse --> NeoBackAround 12-12 ~> Fingerless Pass 12-23 --> MiddleBackAround 1.5 23-23 --> MiddleBackAround 23-12 --> Inverse Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> RingAround 34-34 --> RingAround Reverse 34-34 --> Twisted Sonic 34-23 --> MiddleAround Reverse 23-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> NeoSonic Harmonic R1R2-R1L1-R1R2 --> Inverse Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Pass Reverse 23-12 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> Pass Reverse 12-23 --> MiddleAround 23-23 --> Sonic Reverse 23-34 ~> Warped Sonic Reverse 24-12 --> BackAround Reverse --> BackAround Reverse

    I null voted. Good job, man. you got this one.

  22. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 16:16:09

    QUOTE (Xero @ Mar 28 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Scott's was just the same shit over and over and over again. Plus, his speed varied, so it wasn't consistent.
    Eriror's video involved much more complicated tricks/hybrids and had constant fluidity.

    +1 Eriror


    if it was so spammy copy it, it wouldn't be too hard if it was spammy right?

    @eriror
    too close to call just yet.
    besides you're in the lead.

  23. Baron
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 16:32:02

    Voted for Scott. They were both amazing though. happy.gif

  24. Erirornal K.
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 16:37:13

    QUOTE (-JC- @ Mar 28 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    eriror, that video was definitely not one of your better ones =\
    but it's understandable since you have that injured middle finger of yours and all -__-'''

    +1 scott


    No flame but... Just because it wasn't by very best video ever, you're not gonna vote for me? It wasn't Scott's best video either, to be blunt [Scott vs. Fratleym. Epic]. >_<

  25. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 16:51:23

    now now don't try to draw votes to yourself let people do what they will
    >:]

  26. LMnet
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 17:00:06

    QUOTE (Erirornal K. @ Mar 29 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Nah, people don't see some tricks I do, that's all. They also expect me to crank out a better video every time. Which isn't that realistic, in my opinion...

    Yes, u right, i don't see MiddleIndex and RingMiddle Around. But, this fact doesnt change my opinion about your combo. Maybe i just don't like your style huh.gif

  27. Cienki
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 19:12:14

    Vote for Scott - you were quick, fluid, with some repeats
    Eriror's combo like others - few the same moves from other combos (there are in your every combo), but fast and smooth

    But finaly I'd prefer Scott's combo

  28. ZaX
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 19:23:09

    +1 scott, sry eriror you didnt flash me. . .

    and scott: you spin with your bonez, eat more wtf.gif

  29. Teatime
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 19:44:58

    Voted for Eriror. I liked his Neosonic part and some of the arounds he did. Scott's vid was too long imo.

  30. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 19:49:46

    QUOTE (LMnet @ Mar 29 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yes, u right, i don't see MiddleIndex and RingMiddle Around. But, this fact doesnt change my opinion about your combo. Maybe i just don't like your style :huh:


    :o You don't like eri's style? Now that's unheard of. Eri has a lovely style. I like spinners with style, and Eri's got it.

    Speaking of style, I never liked scott's old style. Was boring imo, didn't see what was so great about it. The new one's much better -- very korean.

  31. k2thez
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:07:34

    Voted for Eriror. I just liked his overall smoothness and difficulty in tricks.

    I don't get why people say that Scott changed his style, it hasn't really changed. I think his skill level increased and he can perform more advanced tricks more smoothly. There wasn't a change in style with his spinning.

  32. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:23:11

    there is clearly a change in the way i do my tricks
    the speed and pace of combos
    the variety of tricks
    i mean yeah theres the same tricks in there that i've always done, but i added more shadows and backs and what not
    i thought those things made up style

  33. Erirornal K.
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:23:47

    QUOTE (k2thez @ Mar 29 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I don't get why people say that Scott changed his style, it hasn't really changed. I think his skill level increased and he can perform more advanced tricks more smoothly. There wasn't a change in style with his spinning.


    Scott really got a lot faster and added a few new linkages in his combos, which made his style more attractive by tons.

  34. k2thez
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:46:30

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Mar 29 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    there is clearly a change in the way i do my tricks
    the speed and pace of combos
    the variety of tricks
    i mean yeah theres the same tricks in there that i've always done, but i added more shadows and backs and what not
    i thought those things made up style



    QUOTE (Erirornal K. @ Mar 29 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Scott really got a lot faster and added a few new linkages in his combos, which made his style more attractive by tons.

    Oh, well I guess I see what everyone is talking about now.

    Yeah, Scott's style has changed but not dramatically changed like DaThroat's style. Smoother linkages and more variety does make up style to a degree. Sorry for the mixup.

  35. 11Thrasher11
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:58:04

    I feel bad for you Eriror. Once you do one sweet combo every expects better out of you each time. Scott went way to fast in my opinion so yah still have my vote.

  36. TeddyTemptation
    Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 22:20:02

    voted for Eriror

    Less hand movement, and scott seemed to be really repetitive

  37. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 01:45:08

    DaThroats style never changed

    He just has a really distinct style
    there is a difference between changing a style and having a distinct one
    i think you sir are confused.

  38. k2thez
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 02:10:59

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Mar 29 2008, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    DaThroats style never changed

    He just has a really distinct style
    there is a difference between changing a style and having a distinct one
    i think you sir are confused.

    I'm pretty sure DaThroat's style changed from his first video to a bonkura like style.

  39. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 02:18:43

    well i lost

  40. awsome
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 02:25:20

    I voted for Scott, it just had something about it; I can't put it into words. I don't get why people apologize if they didn't vote for Eriror, I mean sure it was a tough call but you shouldn't regret your vote. I guess once you get a big enough fan base people begin to feel obligated to support you. Still I respect both of your skills as pen spinners.

  41. TEK
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 02:51:26

    god damn scotts was span galore! tongue.gif no offence scott...i do the same thing
    i voted for eriror

    sorry im late haha

  42. dust_kid
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 02:59:53

    Voted for Eriror.

    The battle was pretty close. However Eriror incorporated two hands which increased difficulty and creativity.

  43. -JC-
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 03:27:58

    QUOTE (Erirornal K. @ Mar 29 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    No flame but... Just because it wasn't by very best video ever, you're not gonna vote for me? It wasn't Scott's best video either, to be blunt [Scott vs. Fratleym. Epic]. >_<

    yeahh....but if you dropped from 10 to 5, scott only dropped from 10-7
    but it looks like i'm wrong anyway since so many people ended up voting for you tongue.gif
    good job eriror happy.gif

  44. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 03:37:36

    I personally never thought of public voting as being who was technically better. I always thought of public voting as which video I personally liked better. Like I can watch 2 videos and like one better, which I would vote for in a public voting setting, but if I were a judge I would judge in favor of the other video.
    Thats how I've always felt about public voting anyways.

  45. -JC-
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 03:40:11

    so scott...would you want these two vids to be viewed by judges adn then see teh result from that o.0..?

  46. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 03:42:04

    no, what does that have to do with anything?
    why did you even ask that?
    what wave length are you on?
    it is pretty obvious i would lose even worse than i am right now if it were done by judges, i'm not stupid.

  47. Tama
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 03:54:16

    +1 for Eriror.
    Pretty close battle, but I liked Eriror's style more.
    He looked so relaxed when he was spinning.

  48. -JC-
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 04:07:00

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Mar 29 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    no, what does that have to do with anything?
    why did you even ask that?
    what wave length are you on?
    it is pretty obvious i would lose even worse than i am right now if it were done by judges, i'm not stupid.

    =\ well i had thought that you had spun better, but it was just that since people liked eriror that they had voted for him since he is so well known (no offense to you) and because they've supported him for awhile now
    but down to pure ability, i dunno--i had thought that you did better than eriror between these two vids

    i dunno, w/e--it's just me then that's stupid and can't tell the diff. between good and bad videos -__-''
    eh, i'm still bad at penspinning so i guess it's expected

  49. Ã…lan
    Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:04:26

    Scott Shaputis! you spin too fast, it's so fast that you looses your style of it, you will get a more smoothly style f you spin more slowly.
    But your finger style is very nice = ) But I want to see a more slowlystyle from you.

    Eriror... the way you does your tricks can no one beat, your difficulty is so high =D
    I liked it alot.



    There's no more to say... that Erorir will win this battle.
    I voted on Eriror, goodluck!

  50. El Deal
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 00:51:13

    Sorry Eriror,

    im just in love wiht the fast spining .....go Scoot tongue.gif

  51. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 01:27:17

    I don't think I've seen more votes on one battle than this.

  52. Asian Tim
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 01:28:29

    I voted for Eriror. and this is why....

    Asian Timm (9:14:00 PM): dude why did you vote for scott?
    EL D3AL (9:14:10 PM): i dont like eriror stlye
    Asian Timm (9:14:26 PM): wow
    Asian Timm (9:14:28 PM): so
    Asian Timm (9:14:36 PM): even if you didn't like his style
    Asian Timm (9:14:49 PM): erirors video is way more difficult
    EL D3AL (9:15:08 PM): it looks the same shit every videp
    Asian Timm (9:15:20 PM): and scotts dosen't?
    EL D3AL (9:15:26 PM): no!
    EL D3AL (9:15:33 PM): i like fast spining
    Asian Timm (9:15:37 PM): you would bitch
    EL D3AL (9:15:45 PM): im beeter than you
    Asian Timm (9:16:10 PM): you only like fast spinning cause you can't breakdown the combo anyways
    EL D3AL (9:16:30 PM): i do it in my head





    like... don't take this personally. accept it as like... Constructive criticism

    scott you spam tricks like theirs no tomorrow. but so does eriror, but his spamming of tricks is the harder ones. he'll throw in some curve balls once in a while.
    I just think eriror should win this. Even if he's won almost every battle.

  53. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 02:09:59

    QUOTE (Asian Tim @ Mar 30 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I just think eriror should win this. Even if he's won almost every battle.


    Eri's just that good. Is that your AIM sn Tim?

  54. -JC-
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 02:13:19

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 30 2008, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Is that your AIM sn Tim?

    looks like MSN happy.gif

  55. DaThroat
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 02:57:49

    Voted for Eriror. It's harder, and has 'hidden' creativity which I have just recently started enjoying. Repeating stuff only increases the difficulty by a certain extent.... IMO. rolleyes.gif

    Sorry Scott, but I didn't get a chance to analyze the combos as much as I would have liked, so if yours had something special, I might have missed it(though I'm quite sure I didn't). mellow.gif

    I really liked it when you spun slow. But don't let me tear you down, spin however you like! Just enjoy your spinning. laugh.gif


    Anyway, I like the new angle. Haven't gotten a chance to comment on it since Exodus. huh.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif

  56. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 02:58:13

    QUOTE (-JC- @ Mar 30 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    looks like MSN happy.gif

    How can you tell...? And he's from the us. A lot of us use AIM.

  57. Boshi
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 03:06:20

    hey eriror, i think you wouldv gotten my vote without the red shirt =p it was extremly close, but the shirt kinda..ehh...well, anyways, u still did awsome

  58. pholord
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 03:07:23

    Sorry Scott but your combo is just too repetative. Your speed is very impressive but I saw too many of the same tricks. You could have done a much better job planning that combo out rather than going for speed. Eriror's combo, while nothing really new, had a lot more interesting arounds and did not drag on and on.

    so my vote goes to Eriror

  59. -JC-
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 03:16:11

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 30 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    How can you tell...? And he's from the us. A lot of us use AIM.

    msn uses that format =\
    and i know a lot of people, also in the US, that uses MSN (well, and AIM too)

  60. Tama
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 03:48:16

    QUOTE (Boshi @ Mar 30 2008, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    hey eriror, i think you wouldv gotten my vote without the red shirt =p it was extremly close, but the shirt kinda..ehh...well, anyways, u still did awsome

    Why do you judge spinners based on their shirt? O.o
    Dude that's really... not right...

  61. TRoc
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 03:58:45

    No offense at all Eriror, but the only reason I think that you are going to win is because YOU ARE ERIROR. It seems that because you are so awesome and no one can face you losing, people are trying to find flaws in Scott's videos and making up brilliance in yours (not saying that your not). Now when you accepted the challenge you said no biased votes for or against anyone, but I think that that's just what's happening.

  62. -JC-
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 04:05:15

    QUOTE (TRoc @ Mar 30 2008, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    No offense at all Eriror, but the only reason I think that you are going to win is because YOU ARE ERIROR. It seems that because you are so awesome and no one can face you losing, people are trying to find flaws in Scott's videos and making up brilliance in yours (not saying that your not). Now when you accepted the challenge you said no biased votes for or against anyone, but I think that that's just what's happening.

    mhmm...i voted for scott originally, but now that i rewatch the two videos over and over again--like over a dozen times each-- i see what everyone is talking about though
    scott does baks way too much as well as the tf charge rev> fl ta rev
    although eriror spams a bit as well, it's not as bad and not as noticeable

    mhmm...not gonna repeat everything else that was said, but i hope you get what i mean

    but i understand your point of view as well, and i do believe this to be partially true--but the decisions that people make for eriror aren't completely irrational and it's not like they voted for him completely out of the fact that he is eriror
    they provide their reasons

  63. TRoc
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 04:16:38

    Well yes, I do understant you, but can't the same thing be said about Eriror and Arounds? I do agree that Scott incorperated too many Baks in his combo but from his new speed, he does so many tricks that it's bound to be repetetive at times. It seems many see too black and white in videos.

  64. 11Thrasher11
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 04:26:14

    QUOTE (TRoc @ Mar 30 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Well yes, I do understant you, but can't the same thing be said about Eriror and Arounds? I do agree that Scott incorperated too many Baks in his combo but from his new speed, he does so many tricks that it's bound to be repetetive at times. It seems many see too black and white in videos.


    I'm not biased in any way. Scott's video was way too fast which I thought was really lame. Eriror's tricks were harder, better speed, and not spammed as much as Scott. I'm not puting you down though Scott. You are a really good spinner I'm just not very fond of your new style. What's cool is you are the only spinner who spins that fast for combos making you unique. But still, I don't really like it.

  65. pholord
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 04:58:54

    As seen in both World Tournament and World Cup, Eriror can be defeated. However it will take a top quality combo and a spinner's best effort to topple him. I might take a crack at it in a few months biggrin.gif

  66. -JC-
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 05:29:43

    QUOTE (TRoc @ Mar 31 2008, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Well yes, I do understant you, but can't the same thing be said about Eriror and Arounds? I do agree that Scott incorperated too many Baks in his combo but from his new speed, he does so many tricks that it's bound to be repetetive at times. It seems many see too black and white in videos.

    mhmm...yes, i don't disagree with you
    but after watching it several mroe times (well, watched it several times before--after i made my vote -___-'' ), it seems as if eriror just spammed to a lesser degree
    and scott had to consider his speed when filming, if the extra length of the video creates spam..he should've just taken the spam out and slowed down his spinning and that would probably make it more smooth at the same time
    so if increased speed=more tricks=mroe spam, then he shouldve just slowed it down
    plus, he could've spun at that speed and still avoid spamming so much
    he video is overr 30 seconds >.>
    he could've cut it down to 18 seconds or something and used a bit of thought/creativity and the tricks that havent' been used yet that were used in the 30 sec. video and put it in the 18 sec vid in place of the spam in the 18 sec video

    i personally like scott better though, even though i do believe eriror deserves the win that he basically got from this battle

  67. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:06:27

    QUOTE (Asian Tim @ Mar 30 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I voted for Eriror. and this is why....

    Asian Timm (9:14:00 PM): dude why did you vote for scott?
    EL D3AL (9:14:10 PM): i dont like eriror stlye
    Asian Timm (9:14:26 PM): wow
    Asian Timm (9:14:28 PM): so
    Asian Timm (9:14:36 PM): even if you didn't like his style
    Asian Timm (9:14:49 PM): erirors video is way more difficult
    EL D3AL (9:15:08 PM): it looks the same shit every videp
    Asian Timm (9:15:20 PM): and scotts dosen't?
    EL D3AL (9:15:26 PM): no!
    EL D3AL (9:15:33 PM): i like fast spining
    Asian Timm (9:15:37 PM): you would bitch
    EL D3AL (9:15:45 PM): im beeter than you
    Asian Timm (9:16:10 PM): you only like fast spinning cause you can't breakdown the combo anyways
    EL D3AL (9:16:30 PM): i do it in my head





    like... don't take this personally. accept it as like... Constructive criticism

    scott you spam tricks like theirs no tomorrow. but so does eriror, but his spamming of tricks is the harder ones. he'll throw in some curve balls once in a while.
    I just think eriror should win this. Even if he's won almost every battle.



    lol?
    I really don't think that you have to be a technical judge on a public vote.
    In a public vote I like to follow my heart not my brain.

    And I can bet you there has been biased votes, for both sides.
    Just like in any battle with well known spinners that is public vote.
    Some people vote for Eriror simply because of the fact that he's Eriror
    Some people vote for me simply because of the fact that they want to see Eriror lose
    Not all 85 people justified their votes.

  68. Viper-X
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 13:57:01

    Eriror, as i liked how he started it with the arounds from 34 then that flick or something that goes across his back of his hand to the thumb. Also Scott's vid has too many thumbflap charges (rev?) but his speed was impressive.

  69. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 20:40:00

    The trick was middle back to rev.
    I would like to thank everyone for all their comments and attention to this battle, I don't believe I've done that yet.

  70. Clyde
    Date: Tue, Apr 1 2008 05:48:58

    how come i cant vote?

  71. tomohiro
    Date: Tue, Apr 1 2008 06:00:09

    u don't have enough post... u need 20 mposts to be able to vote

  72. Tratto_Pen
    Date: Tue, Apr 1 2008 07:20:27

    for me Scott's combo is a little bit better than Eriror's ^^
    can someone do the breakdown of Scott's combo? pls send it to me (PM)

  73. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 04:01:48

    Demon's sonic > warped sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > MA > rev warped sonic 24 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > charge t1 > pass t1 - 12 > rev tw sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev tw sonic 23 - 34 > twisted sonic bust 34 - 23 > twisted sonic bust 23 - 12 > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > inv rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back > rev back > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > bak ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev charge 12 > back > middle back > ring back 23 - 23 > rev charge .5 > inv sonic shadow hybrid 23 - 23 > twisted sonic bust > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 >rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 ~> inv sonic 24 - 13 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev twisted sonic bust 12 - 23 > pinky back

    I think there is many errors, but I tried my best.
    The tricks look a lot different when I do them too cause I do them all in different ways with like different twists of the hand and other motions.

  74. sadi teh pirate
    Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 06:06:54

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Mar 31 2008, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    In a public vote I like to follow my heart not my brain.


    you may like to follow your heart in a public vote, but if i had, i would have voted for Eriror before watching your video (no offense scott).

    even though i like it a lot when people put style into their combos, which is no doubt difficult and well thought out, but i simply think that those who have worked harder on more difficult tricks rather then perfecting how they spin deserve more attention. so yes Scott, my vote was biased, but i try to keep it to a little bias as possible

  75. Tratto_Pen
    Date: Thu, Apr 3 2008 16:05:42

    very obstinate duel ^^

    Scott: thanks for breakdown your combo is really nice ;]

  76. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Thu, Apr 3 2008 23:41:02

    QUOTE (sadi teh pirate @ Apr 2 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    i would have voted for Eriror before watching your video (no offense scott).



    It is people like you that ruin public voting.
    People like you make it impossible for someone like me to beat someone like Eriror, because I know you aren't the only one that would do that.

  77. Platypusvictim
    Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 00:14:07

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Apr 3 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    It is people like you that ruin public voting.
    People like you make it impossible for someone like me to beat someone like Eriror, because I know you aren't the only one that would do that.
    This is a good example of why only the people who explain their votes should be counted, IMO.

    Edit: Forgot to comment on the battle. I had to null :/ Which is saying something cause Eriror is my favorite spinner. Scott's just gotten really good.

  78. l33tspinner
    Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 01:15:16

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Apr 1 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Demon's sonic > warped sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > MA > rev warped sonic 24 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > charge t1 > pass t1 - 12 > rev tw sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev tw sonic 23 - 34 > twisted sonic bust 34 - 23 > twisted sonic bust 23 - 12 > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > inv rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back > rev back > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > bak ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev charge 12 > back > middle back > ring back 23 - 23 > rev charge .5 > inv sonic shadow hybrid 23 - 23 > twisted sonic bust > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 >rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 ~> inv sonic 24 - 13 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev twisted sonic bust 12 - 23 > pinky back

    I think there is many errors, but I tried my best.
    The tricks look a lot different when I do them too cause I do them all in different ways with like different twists of the hand and other motions.

    :> i tried to copy your combo XD, but i can only do about 70% of it tongue.gif. awesome combo biggrin.gif.

  79. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 02:31:40

    I honestly don't think it is even close to right....

    I NEED 8 VOTES BY THE END OF TOMORROW TO WIN LULZ

  80. pholord
    Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 04:19:26

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Apr 1 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Demon's sonic > warped sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > MA > rev warped sonic 24 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > charge t1 > pass t1 - 12 > rev tw sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev tw sonic 23 - 34 > twisted sonic bust 34 - 23 > twisted sonic bust 23 - 12 > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > inv rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back > rev back > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > bak ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev charge 12 > back > middle back > ring back 23 - 23 > rev charge .5 > inv sonic shadow hybrid 23 - 23 > twisted sonic bust > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 >rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 ~> inv sonic 24 - 13 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev twisted sonic bust 12 - 23 > pinky back


    Well I took a bit of time to point out how repetative scott's combo is. While your spinning is both smooth and fast, just look at how many times you repeat some mini combos and the length of them. You could have easily just taken those parts of the combo out or at least mix the combo around a bit instead of sticking to the same sequence of moves over and over. Being this repetative hurts your combo rather than helps it.

  81. Zombo
    Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 16:43:01

    no need to argue on te flaws of public voting... everybody know it can't be super reliable, you jsut hope that the majority of the ppl vote for the right reasons.

    if countries use voting to select their president... i'm pretty it's godo enough to decide a PS battle.

  82. Mats
    Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 00:13:01

    Erirornal: Very very very smoothly performed, technically difficult combo. I felt the combo had a bit of variation to it, although perhaps a nice spin trick, air trick or some more left hand would have been nice?

    Scott: The combo in itself looked like it could have been good, however, I think it needed a little more variation and the performance was below par. It seemed like you were racing through the combo, sort of like 'trick to trick to trick to trick' like this. Erirornal seemed to take his time with each trick, more like, 'I'll do this trick, then hmm, then this one, hmm, then this' like that. His combo seemed much more relaxed and fluid.

    That, is the reason I think that Erirornal's combo is better.

    Anyways, I hope you guys go for a rematch some time soon, good battle! smile.gif

  83. sadi teh pirate
    Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 07:01:28

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Apr 3 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    It is people like you that ruin public voting.
    People like you make it impossible for someone like me to beat someone like Eriror, because I know you aren't the only one that would do that.


    ....i watched both of your videos 3 times before i voted...and i chose Eriror....what i was trying to say before, is that voting with your heart gives an unfair advantage which could have been FOR Eriror in this battle, but rather i evaluated the videos to wat seemed good enough to me, then i placed my vote based on the combo, not who was spinning the combo...

  84. Erirornal K.
    Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 20:24:45

    QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Apr 2 2008, 06:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Demon's sonic > warped sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > MA > rev warped sonic 24 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > charge t1 > pass t1 - 12 > rev tw sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev tw sonic 23 - 34 > twisted sonic bust 34 - 23 > twisted sonic bust 23 - 12 > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 > rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > inv rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > warped sonic 12 - 23 > inv sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back > rev back > inv warped sonic 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 > rev ma 24 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > bak ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev charge 12 > back > middle back > ring back 23 - 23 > rev charge .5 > inv sonic shadow hybrid 23 - 23 > twisted sonic bust > shadow 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - t1 > t1 charge > pass t1 - 12 >rev twisted sonic 12 - 23 > twisted sonic 23 - 12 > pass rev 12 - 23 > rev twisted sonic 23 - 34 > sonic 34 - 24 ~> inv sonic 24 - 13 > pass rev 12 - tf > rev tf charge > fl ta rev > back ~> fl ta rev > back > middle back 23 - 12 > rev twisted sonic bust 12 - 23 > pinky back

    I think there is many errors, but I tried my best.
    The tricks look a lot different when I do them too cause I do them all in different ways with like different twists of the hand and other motions.


    Looks alright to me, but here's what I thought:

    Demon's Sonic 34-12 --> Warped Sonic 12-23 --> Double Charge 23-23 --> MiddleAround 23-23 --> Sonic Reverse 23-34 ~> Warped Sonic Reverse 24-12 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> Charge T1 --> NeoSonic T1-12 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> Pass Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> Twisted Sonic Bust 34-23 --> Pass Reverse 23-12 --> BackAround Reverse 12-12 --> Shadow 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> Charge T1 --> NeoSonic Reverse T1-12 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> Pass Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> Sonic 34-23 ~> MiddleAround Reverse 24-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> NeoSonic 12-T1 --> Charge Reverse T1 --> Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse --> Inverse Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> Sonic 34-23 --> Inverse Sonic 23-12 --> Warped Sonic 12-23 --> Inverse Sonic 23-12 --> NeoSonic 12-T1 --> Charge Reverse T1 --> Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse --> BackAround 12-12 --> BackAround Reverse 12-12 --> Inverse Warped Sonic 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> Sonic 34-23 ~> MiddleAround Reverse 24-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> NeoSonic 12-T1 --> Charge Reverse T1 --> Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse --> BackAround ~ Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse --> BackAround 12-12 --> MiddleBackAround 12-12 --> BackAround 12-12 --> Pass 12-23 --> MiddleBackAround 23-23 --> RingBackAround 23-23 --> Inverse Sonic 23-12 ~> Shadow 13-23 --> Twisted Sonic Bust 23-12 --> Shadow 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> Charge T1 --> NeoSonic Reverse T1-12 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic 23-12 --> Pass Reverse 12-23 --> Twisted Sonic Reverse 23-34 --> Sonic 34-23 ~> Inverse Sonic 24-12 --> NeoSonic 12-T1 --> Charge Reverse T1 --> Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse --> BackAround ~ Fingerless ThumbAround Reverse --> BackAround 12-12 --> MiddleBackAround 12-12 --> Twisted Sonic Bust Reverse 12-23 --> Pass 23-34 --> PinkyBackAround 34-34

  85. Scott Shaputis
    Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 20:53:10

    Good battle, epic amount of votes smile.gif

  86. Erirornal K.
    Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 06:51:56

    Good battle indeed. Awesome job, Scott. We should repeat this later. smile.gif