UPSB v3
Fundamental Tricks / Sonic Rise
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Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 01:00:23
ok - how do you do the sonic rise? the pen keeps getting stuck between my ring and middle fingers, i can almost flick it up, but how!
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Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 01:05:14
Have you practiced doing the sonic 34 23 and 23 12 without using the thumb pressure method?
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Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 01:07:01
yeah, i think u need to learn to do the sonic normal with the charge start.
might help in the second part of sonic rise -
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:11:42
I can do sonic with the charge start, but i cant do the sonic between 45 and 34. it always goes from 45 to 23. thats so stupid!!!! how do u solve it???
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Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:15:29QUOTE (B3ndythumbs @ Mar 29 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can do sonic with the charge start, but i cant do the sonic between 45 and 34. it always goes from 45 to 23. thats so stupid!!!! how do u solve it???
sonic 45-34?! I demand you post a picture of your 6 fingered hand right now!!! -
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 20:30:03
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
6 fingers would be cool...
but can you do charge 23?if you can just try to do the charge and try to do sonic to 12....if it works you're in the right way
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Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 22:16:36QUOTE (B3ndythumbs @ Mar 29 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can do sonic with the charge start, but i cant do the sonic between 45 and 34. it always goes from 45 to 23. thats so stupid!!!! how do u solve it???
1. I think you're referring to the thumb as 1, and the index as 2, and the middle as 3, etc
But the thumb is T, index is 1, middle is 2 etc
2. I don't know exactly how to solve it rather than having lots of finger flexibility. i faced the same issue -
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 00:13:55
Move your middle finger back/up more when you do the sonic from 34-23 so it'll be harder for it to jump to the wrong slot, and try bending your index finger down a bit also.
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Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 21:14:58
I had the same problem. What I did was tape 1 and 2 together. That way, the pen would never go in the wrong slot. Once you get used to it take the tape off.
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Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 21:49:17QUOTE (awsome @ Mar 30 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I had the same problem. What I did was tape 1 and 2 together. That way, the pen would never go in the wrong slot. Once you get used to it take the tape off.
me too i just held my hand with 1-2 together. -
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 04:08:33
All these tricks take is practice man. I know when I was learning all the tricks I wanted to do the trick RIGHT THEN AND NOW! But this isn't realistic. Give yourself some time and it will eventually come to you.
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Date: Tue, Apr 8 2008 03:05:31
i think ur pen is too low. move it up ur fingers and i think it'll work.
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Date: Thu, Apr 10 2008 01:14:59
Is having no pressure for both 3-4 and 2-3 normal? 'Cus i jus move my ring finger down then my middle finger.
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Date: Thu, Apr 10 2008 01:31:54
It's better to do sonic without thumbflap pressure, if that's what you mean.
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Date: Mon, Apr 21 2008 20:42:29
When i wa slearning Sonic Rise i would always end up doing Sonic 34-12....what i did was i practiced doing sonic 34-23 bykeeping my middle finger out more..see when u do a non pressure sonic normal..the pen touches the upper finger of teh slot it is traveling to..
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Date: Tue, Apr 22 2008 23:58:40
i got it after i learned k4lc once i got that motion down it kinda came easy to me.
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 00:49:59
I just listened to all the advice that my friend told me to do. I tried to make my Sonic 23-12 smooth and then do Sonic 34-23 smooth and then combine it together. Worked just fine for me.
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Date: Thu, Jun 19 2008 12:32:52
lol,thats funny...i have the same problem.Sonic Rise?yes,but fall?never
here a vid to sonic rise:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=kQotIZKQ5fo -
Date: Tue, Jul 1 2008 18:31:19
isn't sonic rise suppose to be in advance tricks? i unno
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Date: Tue, Jul 1 2008 21:34:02
i think so too.
i thought the basics are: TA,Charge,Infinity and sonic (but only 23-12)? -
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 03:34:55
@Silvos: you should read the Fundamentals FAQ, Infinity is not a Fundamental, Fingerpass is.
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Date: Fri, Jul 4 2008 03:24:21
Sonic Rise is a combo not a trick which is made up of Sonic Normal 34-23 -> Sonic Normal 23-12. Both tricks in it are fundamentals.
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Date: Sun, Jul 20 2008 02:22:20
what you can do is to practice charge 34, sonic 34-23, than charge 23, all linked. After you get this completely smooth, follow the charge 23 with a sonic 23-12, than a charge 12.
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Date: Tue, Aug 5 2008 09:49:00
Got this trick sweet now. charge34 is what got me to complete it, now i can do it without watching ^^
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Date: Tue, Oct 21 2008 11:35:33
I have been learning rise for 5 days in position palm-down. Now should I practice it in position? ...I'm newbie I don't know how to name this position. It's when you rotates your right hand to right. I don't now how to explain it xD
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Date: Tue, Oct 21 2008 18:51:14
With your ahnd sideways? Palm sideways? =P
Well It shouldnt really matter, if youve learend it palm side down it shouldnt be that hard to do it sideways.
Are you having any trouble with gravity?, try using the thumb flap at the start to get more speed. -
Date: Wed, Oct 22 2008 09:40:41
sideways, yes xD
you are right, gravity isn't allow me to do this trick
ok, practice and practice xD -
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 01:54:19
It took me 3 mintues to master since i learned demon sonic before it.
Now i forgot how to do sdemon sonic
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Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 21:38:25
u learned demons sonic before you learnt sonic rise?
you need to know sonic 34-23 to do demons sonic anyway. -
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 00:06:36QUOTE (B3ndythumbs @ Mar 29 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can do sonic with the charge start, but i cant do the sonic between 45 and 34. it always goes from 45 to 23. thats so stupid!!!! how do u solve it???
I had that same problem i think. if you mean that it went from your Pinky and ring, right to your index and middle.
i practiced the 43 to 32 by crossing my 1 and 2. forcing the 2 to stay up and not go down.
hope that helps
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Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 23:22:07
Is the sonic rise something people do when pen spinning like combos or just plain pen spinning freely? Because everytime I do it it looks pathetic and when I watch other people pen spin, i dont see them do the sonic rise or i cant because they're doing it too fast.
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Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 23:38:49
I don't fully understand what you're asking...
Actually, I don't even partially understand what you're asking. -
Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 00:22:03
lol i read what i said before, i didnt even get it. I meant is sonic rise a good trick to do while pen spinning, does it fit combos well, or does it look amusing when done in combos.
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Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 00:28:14
I don't use it alot, i dunno it looks kinda repetitive
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Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 00:45:47
They're used in combos and I sometimes use them when I'm bored. (ie. repeating the trick over and over again with no other tricks)
But I doubt anyone's as crap as me... so they'll probably be doing Shadows all those other pro tricks. ==" -
Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 20:23:39QUOTE (BL4CKCR4Y0NS @ Dec 20 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They're used in combos and I sometimes use them when I'm bored. (ie. repeating the trick over and over again with no other tricks)
But I doubt anyone's as crap as me... so they'll probably be doing Shadows all those other pro tricks. =="
Shadow isn't really a pro trick =/
Sonic Rise is what I understand to be a beginner's combo, it helps you understand how to be smooth and everything...but as you move on I guess you can still use sonic rise, just not as a main part of your mini combos. -
Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 15:24:59QUOTE (MTG @ Jul 8 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is there a sonic fall?
sonic rise + sonic fall = sonic harmonic -
Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 18:02:24QUOTE (Antonio Garcia @ Dec 22 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>sonic rise + sonic fall = sonic harmonic
1. You did not answer his question.
2. Sonic Rise + Sonic Fall = Sonic Rise Fall Harmonic.
3. Sonic Harmonic = Sonic > Rev Sonic > Sonic > Rev Sonic > Repeat. -
Date: Tue, Mar 10 2009 04:05:23
After the sonic 34-23, push ur middle finger down and do not use the thumb key.
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Date: Tue, Mar 10 2009 04:43:31
u should have enough momentum to continue the sonic 23-12 from the sonic 34-23.
like said above, move ur middle finger down and continue on. Just try to do sonic 34-23 a lot until u get used to it, then u try to link them together.
how i learned: (even though demon sonic helped me), i did sonic 34-23>charge 23>sonic 23-12.
edit: if infinity isnt a fundamental, then how come this says it is? correct me if im wrong plz -
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 00:02:45
People have different ideas of what a fundamental is?
But here at UPSB, only the charge, sonic, thumbaround, and fingerpass are considered fundamentals. -
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 00:09:28
There are only 4 fundamentals.
Thumbaround, Charge, Sonic, and one combo, fingerpass.
The FAQ on fundamentals say infinity is not a fundamental
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=8QUOTE (sketching @ Mar 5 2008, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Infinity doesn't give you a base for learning other tricks, it just helps you to learn more Infinity combos.
You could say that Triple Infinity works all of your fingers, but Fingerpass already fills that role, Twisted Sonics also give more of a finger workout to all the fingers. Single Infinity isn't all that useful as a base for other stuff, unlike the other Fundamentals.
Quote by Sketching from the infinity/figure 8 ... a fundamental? thread:
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showt...amp;hl=infinity
you can read it for your viewing pleasure xD
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Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 00:46:43
quick question about sonic rise:
if you do Sonic 34-23 > Inverse Sonic 23-12, is it still called sonic rise? Or is there a different name?
Edit: Thanks JSH! (look below) -
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 00:57:43QUOTE (G.lanz @ Mar 12 2009, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>quick question about sonic rise:
if you do Sonic 34-23 > Inverse Sonic 23-12, is it still called sonic rise? Or is there a different name?
I think sonic rise is only Sonic 34-23 -> Sonic 23-12
that probably is a combo without a specific name
combo's don't really have names except for a few special/well known ones
Edit: made a few grammatical changes -
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 05:27:53
IT would be called interrupted trick or something... But IMO it looks better then sonic rise if done properly
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Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 14:27:11
can you do it with a pause? just sonic 34-23 wait sonic 23-12?
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Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 15:37:31QUOTE (Edor @ Mar 14 2009, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>can you do it with a pause? just sonic 34-23 wait sonic 23-12?
i think u cant
cuz if u pause, then it would break the combo (i think???)
sonic rise has to be fluent (from my point of view)
correct if im wrong plzz -
Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 04:07:25
You could, it just wouldn't be smooth.
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Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:32:51QUOTE (NoobishPenspinner @ Mar 15 2009, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i think u cant
cuz if u pause, then it would break the combo (i think???)
sonic rise has to be fluent (from my point of view)
correct if im wrong plzz
No, for a beginner, thats how to start. Do it with a pause, then decrease the pause, then decrease, and etc etc. till it just keeps going. -
Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 17:38:25QUOTE (eccentric @ Mar 15 2009, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No, for a beginner, thats how to start. Do it with a pause, then decrease the pause, then decrease, and etc etc. till it just keeps going.
yeah thats how it goes, so dont worry if you have a pause for the first couple of days of your attempts. it'll help with demons and angels later down the line IMO -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 09:56:41QUOTE (jabss @ Mar 29 2008, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ok - how do you do the sonic rise? the pen keeps getting stuck between my ring and middle fingers, i can almost flick it up, but how!
learn ur 34 sonic and 23 sonic first.if ur doing 34 sonic and the pen keeps flying away(like me when trying to learn using my left hand) try to make the fingers as near as possible -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 10:09:53
when I started doing this trick it freaks me, but after practicing I have mastered it =P
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Date: Tue, Jan 26 2010 23:06:57
For me i would have trouble between the two sonics. I found that it helps if you go slow and keep your pen near the tip of your fingers.
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Date: Sun, Feb 21 2010 05:30:56
you know, its kinda weird how i learned this without even knowing it was a trick/combo
just saw my friend do it and after practicing a little bit i easily mastered it 