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Forum Games / Mafia DC - Town victory
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Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 04:54:20
POSSIBLE ROLES
TOWN
Cop
Can investigate one person during the night (except themselves) and find out whether they are Town or Mafia ('Guilty' for Mafia and 'Innocent' for Town).
Paranoid Cop
Can investigate one person during the night (except themselves). Will always receive 'guilty' results.
Naive Cop
Can investigate one person during the night (except themselves). Will always receive 'innocent' results.
Insane Cop
Can investigate one person during the night (except themselves). Will always receive incorrect results (e.g. 'Guilty' for Town, and 'Innocent' for Mafia).
MAFIA
Mafia
There is one mafia. He/she can kill one person during the night.
RULES- There will be no talking outside of this thread.
- Non-game players MAY NOT post in this thread.
- It will be a Cop Head Start. This means the game will start at night, and mafia cannot make a kill in the first night.
- Players must vote in the day to decide who to lynch. Once a majority has been reached, that person is automatically lynched. Players can also vote for a No Lynch.
- Cops WILL NOT be told their sanity. All cops will be given the same role PM, which will be the Cop role seen above.
- Cops sanities will not be revealed, even when the person is dead.
VOTING
Voting MUST be formatted as follows:
Vote: Player
I will not count a vote if it is not bolded, even if your vote is clearly stated.
Ok, I think I've explained everything, feel free to ask questions.
Alive (4/5):
ShortAssassin
Viend
martini (replaced PoisonedV)
Cybrax
Eliminated:
Eburt -
Date: Fri, Sep 14 2007 22:03:54
Game has started! Remember, mafia cannot kill tonight. Cops, send me your actions.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 02:29:48
Day 1 has started!
The day will end in 72 hours or when a lynch/no lynch has been made.
Note: I made a mistake when sending out the PMs. In the list of sanities, the second normal cop should have been insane cop. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 02:31:15
First!
er... I mean... yeah. Out of curiosity are there going to be narratives, or any other flavor devices?
Good luck all! -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 02:32:32
Nah, no narratives. I thought it'd be too much trouble.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 04:03:15
Vote: ShortAssassin
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 04:04:27
Hmm, so I'm trying to figure out the strategy for this version. I'm thinking the best way might just be for us to reveal who we inspected and the result, but with all the different cop roles I'm not sure that would get us anywhere. Any ideas Eburt?
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 04:09:22QUOTE (ShortAssassin @ Sep 16 2007, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmm, so I'm trying to figure out the strategy for this version. I'm thinking the best way might just be for us to reveal who we inspected and the result, but with all the different cop roles I'm not sure that would get us anywhere. Any ideas Eburt?
Well you have to investigate everyone once and that will rule out whether you're one of the naive or paranoid. Then you can guess cause if you're insane you'll get 4 guilty results while only one really is. But then again the mafia would've killed us off by that time so you just have to make a wild guess. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 04:13:35QUOTE (Viend @ Sep 16 2007, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Vote: ShortAssassin
Uhh, the fact that you're placing a vote this early (regardless of who it is) is kinda suspicious. Don't you think it's best to hear from others first? If it turns out that two people inspected the same person and got different/same results, we may be able to determine a cop role. There's no rush in this game lol.QUOTE (Viend @ Sep 16 2007, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well you have to investigate everyone once and that will rule out whether you're one of the naive or paranoid. Then you can guess cause if you're insane you'll get 4 guilty results while only one really is. But then again the mafia would've killed us off by that time so you just have to make a wild guess.
I don't think we have to make a random guess. If we compare results we might be able to come up with something.
Whoops, ignore the first quote + response. Dunno why it included both of them. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 04:29:42
If you compare 4 results it doesn't do anything. The results will always be like this:
- Guilty - Paranoid
- Innocent - Naive
- Guilty - Either Normal or Insane
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 04:31:55
Vote Count:
ShortAssassin- 1 (Viend)
Not voting (4): ShortAssassin, Eburt, PoisonedV, Cybrax
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 14:11:32
I think that Viend is suspicious for voting already. Also, I think the paranoid cop has it easiest, as there is only 1 person that really is guilty, and the rest are innocent. The insane cop could easily confuse himself for the paranoid cop, though.
OK, all cops, please step forward... If we all agree to reveal what we got, we can figure this out alot quicker, since the mafia can't kill us all in one night... Here is what I got...QUOTEQUOTEInspect Eburt
Guilty.
Oh, I also think Viend might be a cop and voting on who he got Guilty. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 15:40:19
Hmm, I investigated Eburt as well but I was told he is innocent.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 18:21:18
Investigated SA, got innocent.
Not much oppinion thus far. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 18:32:44
Ok, well if we are all being honest (lol) then:
PoisonedV could be paranoid, normal, or insane
Eburt could be naive, normal, or insane
Short could be naive, normal, or insane -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 18:41:40
So far we've got:
Me: Innocent (Eburt), Guilty (Assuming Viend investigated me and got Guilty)
Eburt: Innocent (Me), Guilty (PoisonedV)
Not much help lol. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 19:43:37
Short is guilty to me.
So ima wait another night and vote for another one to see if im a paranoid,insane, or normal. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 20:23:11
So you want a No Lynch Cybrax? With so few townies I'm not sure we can afford one.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 20:34:25
Vote: Viend
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 21:25:14
We have to lynch day 1. It'd be almost impossible to win otherwise.
If we lynch day 1: 5 ppl -1 =4 and then - another 1 in the night = 3 ppl. Misslynch a second time and we lose.
If we no-lynch day 1: We lose one in the night 5-1=4. Then we would need all three non-Mafia to vote unanimously for the mafia in order to lynch. Very hard to do. Otherwise we'd be down to 2 after the night = impossible to lynch = mafia wins that night.
There is one more alternative, but its bordering insane, and makes like no sense. That would be to no-lynch two days in a row, and then try to win with three people on day 3. This would give the cops more time, and limit choices... actaully maybe its not so insane, but still very risky. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 21:40:00
Eburt is right. We either have to lynch today or decide to go with two No Lynches in a row. I'd like to hear from Viend and maybe Cybrax again before we decide anything.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 21:43:34
As Zombo so kindly pointed out, PoisonedV editted his post. To clarify, that is not allowed, unless this is different, eh Rorix?
Also, another thought on the last option, if its down to three people it becomes basically 50/50. If you put one vote on a non-mafia, the mafia can just vote that person as well, causing lynch and winning. This may also occur in option 1 though. Hence all three are risky, but option 2 is definately the worst imo.
We should at least decide what we are dong... barring an obvious slip-up on the Mafia's part. Of course then we lynch for the win. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 21:49:02
I guess I vote for lynching today but I dunno who to lynch.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 22:22:10
Sorry, all I add in the edited post was "Oh, I also think Viend might be a cop and voting on who he got Guilty."
because I didn't want to double post
I would recommend on the second day to lynch ShortAssassin. By then I wont have any say in it, however, because I will most likely get a cap in my ass and die. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 23:32:39
Viends the only one who hasn't actually said who he inspected/his results, he kinda just voted lol. Anyway, I won't vote yet cause I like to hear from everyone, but if we need to get something done I guess I'll vote Viend.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:05:31
I have firmly made my decision that it is ShortAssassin. It may be best to just get Viend out for this round, but next round I think ShortAssassin should be voted for. There is no question he will still be alive, there are 2 reasons why:
1. if hes a wolf, he wont KILL HIMSELF!
2. if he isn't a wolf, then the current wolf will let him live just so people will still be suspicious of him ("oh how convenient! he didnt die!" etc" -
Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:10:57
Circular logic much? Thats a pretty crappy argument buddy. Also please, use Mafia terms, not those from that other game. I believe that "wolf" = "Mafia"
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:11:07
Wait...so if I'm alive tomorrow you want to lynch me because I'm alive? What kinda logic is that lol.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 01:01:46
Well its a 25% chance i might get this lynch right. But it's a 75% I'll fail.
Day 1 is just a gamble. We have no valuable information at the moment. We HAVE to take a chance.
Vote: ShortAssassin
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 01:07:28
Well it would seem that everyone has decided its a good idea to lynch every day possible...
I still see no decent evidence pointing twords anyone, however I do know this from prior experiance in Mafia. ShortAssassin is good at mafia games. That means that it would be very beneficial to keep him around if he's town, which there is an 80% chance that he is. Until someone shows me any decent information pointing twords him I would say lynch anyone but him. Hell, lynch me over him, because I think he'll help the town more. I'm sure I would as well, but come on guys... don't you think you're jumping the gun a little bit here? -
Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 01:40:43
Wow, I don't know how I became a target lol. I'd appreciate some reasons for your voting so that I can at least attempt to defend myself based on the reasons. Right now it seems like you guys are taking shots in the dark, which I don't think is the right strategy. We also haven't heard from Viend in a while. There is no need to rush things in the game, we've got plenty of time.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 01:52:24
Wait, we dont have to lynch anyone on the first day?
*sorry, i didnt edit anything. My sig didnt show up so i press edit to see if it showed up w/o knowing this is the mafia game. -
Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 01:55:10
No we don't have to lynch if we don't want to, but we pretty much decided it's either lynch the first two days or not lynch the first two days, and people seem to be leaning towards lynch the first two days.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 01:57:16
Unvote: ShortAssassin
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 03:43:59
Vote Count:
ShortAssassin- 1 (Viend)
Viend- 1 (PoisonedV)
Not voting (3): ShortAssassin, Eburt, Cybrax
3 to lynch.
=======================================================QUOTE (Eburt @ Sep 17 2007, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As Zombo so kindly pointed out, PoisonedV editted his post. To clarify, that is not allowed, unless this is different, eh Rorix?
Yea, I forgot to say.
No editing. Double post instead. -
Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 12:19:52
Ok, well sorry about "jumping the gun" or whatever on ShortAssassin. I guess I just had a feeling, something i picked up from his posts. Also I am not used to saying mafia, and I didnt even notice aI was saying wolf, sorry. Im not used to playing this on forums
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 19:34:13
Poisoned there's nothing wrong with suspecting people as long as you give your reasons. If you posted why you thought I was suspicious then you probably wouldn't get the jumping the gun comments. It's just that when people vote for seemingly no reason early in the game it makes them seem eager to lynch.
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Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 07:01:44
Hi.
My internet died yesterday, anyway I investigated Eburt and got Innocent. -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 05:14:39
It is now NIGHT 2. All players send me your actions within 48 hours please.
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 10:59:49
Day 2
Active Players:
martini - replaced PoisonedV
ShortAssassin
Viend
Cybrax
Eliminated Players:
Night 2
1. Eburt - Cop (unknown sanity) [Town]
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It is day again. Any private information transmitted during the night by the moderator may be shared publicly, provided it is not directly quoted or screenshot.
All votes have been reset.
4 players remaining. 3 to lynch.
Btw, hope you don't mind that I copied your layout, Zombo
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 11:21:03
Okay, I replace PoisonedV
please all post your results.
I'll start:
investigated Viend: guilty
This is what was investigated last day:
viend: investigated Eburt (innocent)
poisonedV/me: investigated Eburt (guilty)
shortassassin: investigated Eburt (innocent)
eburt: investigated Shortassassin (innocent)
cybrax: investigated Shortassassin (guilty)
From day one investigations I've drawn some conclusions which I will announce after you guys posted your investigations this day
And, I've just thought up a strategy with which we can impossibly lose now (I think(I'll try to find flaws))
I'll write it down and let you post first
First I want to say:
DON'T VOTE! -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 11:28:26
Dammit you guys will probably like be asleep or something right now
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 15:13:54
Damn, Eburt is a valuable player
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Anyway, I investigated PoisonedV (martini) and got innocent again. Martini I'm interested in this plan and your analysis of the game so far, seems like we replaced a non active townie with an active one
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 15:30:10
you can think of everything I know just by looking at investigations.
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 17:17:46
I got PoisonedV as Innocent too. So I'm definitely not the Paranoid cop.
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 18:23:29
I got innocent for Eburt and got Guilty for shortassassin. Shortassassin is 100% guilty because Eburt is now dead and he really is innocent.Vote: ShortassassinI got innocent for Eburt and got Guilty for shortassassin. Shortassassin is 100% guilty because Eburt is now dead and he really is innocent.Vote: ShortassassinThe f*ck is wrong with the board?
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 18:28:16
How did you investigate Eburt if he died?
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 18:30:02
I investigated him during the night. It's possible duh....
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 19:28:46
results:
viend: investigated Eburt (innocent)
-investigated me (innocent)
poisonedV/me: investigated Eburt (guilty)
-investigated Viend (guilty)
shortassassin: investigated Eburt (innocent)
-investigated me (innocent)
eburt(dead): investigated Shortassassin (innocent)
cybrax: investigated Shortassassin (guilty)
-investigated eburt (innocent)
I am paranoid, because I'm the only person only having guilty results
Viend and shortassassin can't be insane, because they both got two innocent results. (and there is just one mafia)
Cybrax also can’t be insane, because he investigated eburt with a correct result.
So, Eburt must be insane, being the only one left.
Shortassassin is mafia.
Vote: ShortAssassin -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 19:34:26
Cybrax you have yet to provide any substantial evidence as to why you think I'm mafia.
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 19:40:30QUOTE (martini @ Sep 22 2007, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>results:
viend: investigated Eburt (innocent)
-investigated me (innocent)
poisonedV/me: investigated Eburt (guilty)
-investigated Viend (guilty)
shortassassin: investigated Eburt (innocent)
-investigated me (innocent)
eburt(dead): investigated Shortassassin (innocent)
cybrax: investigated Shortassassin (guilty)
-investigated eburt (innocent)
I am paranoid, because I'm the only person only having guilty results
Viend and shortassassin can't be insane, because they both got two innocent results. (and there is just one mafia)
Cybrax also can’t be insane, because he investigated eburt with a correct result.
So, Eburt must be insane, being the only one left.
Shortassassin is mafia.
Vote: ShortAssassin
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Eburt investigated you innocent=mafia
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 19:43:46
Woah, Martini posted while I posted lol. Martini, you seem to be overlooking something...people can lie in this game.
First day:
Viend votes me randomly and we all assume that he got guilty for me. Cybrax is the LAST one to post his claim and says he got guilty for me as well, going a long with Viend. Veind then tell us his real investigation. Cybrax then backs down and removes his vote, and instead opts for a no lynch, which none of us other townies wanted.
Second Day:
Eburt dies, Cybrax claims he investigated Eburt (not possible?). Eburt DEFENDED me first day. Obviously Cybrax would get rid of Eburt if he planned on going after me, which he obviously would since he lied about investigating me the first day. Why would I kill someone who defended me if I was Mafia? That's stupid strategy.
Basically Cybrax went after the person who seemed to be getting lynched, said that person was guilty, then said someone else was innocent to claim he's the true cop.
Vote: Cybrax2 -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 19:49:36
The obvious Mafia strategy is claim someone is guilty the first day, claim someone innocent the second day, and claim you are the real cop. Who else did that but Cybrax? No one.
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 20:29:00QUOTE (ShortAssassin @ Sep 22 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>people can lie in this game.Innocent people can, but have no reason to.
in my previous post I crossed out people for being insane. If somebody lied, he would be mafia, so he still can't be insane. In the end Eburt is insane which makes you mafia. -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 20:38:25QUOTE (ShortAssassin @ Sep 22 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Veind then tell us his real investigation. Cybrax then backs down and removes his vote,
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 21:24:17
post 3 in a row...:
day one investigations:
viend: investigated Eburt (innocent)
poisonedV/me: investigated Eburt (guilty)
shortassassin: investigated Eburt (innocent)
eburt: investigated Shortassassin (innocent)
cybrax: investigated Shortassassin (guilty)
if cybrax would have been mafia:
nobody investigated him so the paranoid+insane cop should have got guilty and the naive+sane cop should have got innocent, because they would all have investigated townies.
the same works for me btw
that were the conclusions I talked about in post 41. -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 21:32:13QUOTE (ShortAssassin @ Sep 22 2007, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Woah, Martini posted while I posted lol. Martini, you seem to be overlooking something...people can lie in this game. First day: Viend votes me randomly and we all assume that he got guilty for me. Cybrax is the LAST one to post his claim and says he got guilty for me as well, going a long with Viend. Veind then tell us his real investigation. Cybrax then backs down and removes his vote, and instead opts for a no lynch, which none of us other townies wanted. Second Day:Eburt dies, Cybrax claims he investigated Eburt (not possible?). Eburt DEFENDED me first day. Obviously Cybrax would get rid of Eburt if he planned on going after me, which he obviously would since he lied about investigating me the first day. Why would I kill someone who defended me if I was Mafia? That's stupid strategy.Basically Cybrax went after the person who seemed to be getting lynched, said that person was guilty, then said someone else was innocent to claim he's the true cop. Vote: Cybrax2 RoxizIT'S POSSIBLE!!!!!!! Ask Rozix or w/e it's spelled. I did investigate Eburt and Shortassassin.You probably killed Eburt regardless whether he defended you or not because you know he got potential in Mafia. He might find out that he's a non-normal cop then he'll become a normal cop.I investigated Eburt because he tried to defend you and I wanted to see if he's trying to use reverse psychology in which he didnt. I got innocent for him then luckily ,out of no where, he died revealing that he IS innocent.Now everyone, investigate Shortassassin if you haven't. If you did, investigate me. If you have a clue, claim your status and become normal.If i die during the night(if we dont lynch shortassassin), then shortassassin probably killed me. If he doesnt kill me, don't stop suspected Shortassassin. No one else is going to kill me because I'm putting the spotlight on a townie.Martini and Eburt. One of you are Niave(sp?), Insane, or paranoid.Im gonna help you, who else did you investigate?Never mind, im blind....
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Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 21:57:48
I'm paranoid.
eburt was the insane cop.
so viend must be naive.
another night won't work I think.
but It might confirm the naivity of viend.
everybody already told who they investigated. -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 22:05:19
Vote Count:
ShortAssassin- 2 (martini, Cybrax)
Cybrax- 1 (ShortAssassin)
Not voting (1): Viend
3 to lynch.
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Yes, it IS possible to investigate someone, even if they turn out to be dead.
And my name is spelled Rorix dammit. -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 22:15:58
It all makes sense. Well you can switch things around and it still might make it true.Freaking Viend, hurry up and end the game! -
Date: Sat, Sep 22 2007 22:34:18
I'm off to sleep.
I'll see what happened tomorrow -
Date: Sun, Sep 23 2007 02:35:36
Martini I don't understand how you are ruling out the possibility that Cybrax or Viend lied both times.
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Date: Sun, Sep 23 2007 03:38:53
When Viend gets here.
Im gonna say...
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Date: Sun, Sep 23 2007 10:27:20
If anyone lied, they would be mafia and thus still not be paranoid/insane
QUOTEviend: investigated Eburt (innocent)
poisonedV/me: investigated Eburt (guilty)
shortassassin: investigated Eburt (innocent)
eburt: investigated Shortassassin (innocent)
cybrax: investigated Shortassassin (guilty)
if cybrax would have been mafia:
nobody investigated him so the paranoid+insane cop should have got guilty and the naive+sane cop should have got innocent, because they would all have investigated townies.
Did you read this?
this confirms cybrax's (and my) innocence. (and if he's innocent that means you're scum)
I am the only one that could be paranoid, as I'm the only person with two guilty results (and why would any of the other cops lie?)
That way nobody can be insane except for eburt.
(if any of you were mafia and lied here, he still can't be paranoid/insane)
if eburt is insane, you are mafia, because he investigated you and got "innocent"
That are two arguments. they both include the fact that the mafia may be lying. -
Date: Mon, Sep 24 2007 14:20:30
I'm here monkeys!
According to my speculations:
Martini = Paranoid
Cybrax = Insane/Normal
Viend(me) = Normal/Naive
Eburt = Naive/Insane
ShortAssassin = ?
Vote: ShortAssassin...again... -
Date: Tue, Sep 25 2007 02:31:45
ShortAssassin is lynched!
Vote Count:
ShortAssassin- 3 (Viend, martini, Cybrax)
Cybrax- 1 (ShortAssassin)
Not voting (0): No one
3 to lynch.
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Town victory!
Winners:
Eburt - Insane Cop (Dead)
martini - Paranoid Cop (Alive)
Viend - Naive Cop (Alive)
Cybrax - Normal Cop (Alive)
Loser:
ShortAssassin
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Night Actions:
Won't bother posting these up, they're all in the thread anyway. -
Date: Tue, Sep 25 2007 02:33:22
LOL rorix
Took you long enough.
So...whens the next game? -
Date: Tue, Sep 25 2007 02:54:22
Sorry, my internet keeps screwing up, so I couldn't get for long enough.
Next game will be when someone feels like hosting one, lol.