UPSB v3
History Department Feedback / Pen Spinning History Dept.
Returns!
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Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 19:02:35
The Pen Spinning History dept. is back. If you are a long time member in pen spinning and think you have something to contribute, or if you founded or joined very early one of the following boards, please PM me!
CODEGPC - German Penspinning Community (NeXus)
FPSB - French Pen Spinning Board (Fratleym)
UCPSB V2 (closed)
UPSB - Universal Pen Spinning board v.2 (closed) (Tohlz)
UPSB - Universal Pen Spinning Board v.3 (Old Forum, this one has taken over.) (closed)
Kit-Cat PenSpinning
Penzone
PDS - Pendolsa
KPSA
Pserhome
JEB-JapEn Board
EuraPen (closed) (Fratleym)
DPSB - Danish Pen Spinning Board
UCPSB - The Collective Pen Spinning Board
SweSpin (Yiep)
FLPS - Foro Latino de Pen Spinning (Not noteworthy)
PPP - Portal Polskich PenSpinnerow
SuperHandz Pen-Spinning Forum
BPST
ThaiSpinner (sathonmig)
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Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 21:39:55
EURAPEN is closed.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 03:37:12
What is Eurapen and why is it closed?
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Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 03:42:57
Eurapen was a board for European spinners that closed due to porn-bots.
@ HD-- I think a good (but difficult and long) project would be finding all recorded instances of pen spinning appearing on TV in the various countries. -
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 06:37:04
This is a good idea, I look forward to reading some of your articles. I didn't know of half of these boards.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 07:17:50QUOTE (strat1227 @ Sep 15 2007, 04:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Eurapen was a board for European spinners that closed due to porn-bots.
@ HD-- I think a good (but difficult and long) project would be finding all recorded instances of pen spinning appearing on TV in the various countries.
There is a thread about all pen spinning on television already here. We don't need to make a duplicate.
Updated first post a bit.
History committee is mostly doing recruitment now, after which we are doing a project on the history of all the major pen spinning communities. Expect articles on the histories of all the major boards over the next few months. -
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 12:01:57
As it was requested , I will do an article about Eurapen to explain people about it...
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Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 14:40:32
the russian forum is called RPSC.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 14:42:36QUOTE (Mats @ Sep 15 2007, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There is a thread about all pen spinning on television already here. We don't need to make a duplicate.
True, there is already a topic about it in the public, but there're alot of projects like that in the RD, and they end up getting done much more thoroughly ... i just think the HD could do a much better job at it, it IS what its there for no? -
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 14:45:52QUOTE (strat1227 @ Sep 15 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>True, there is already a topic about it in the public, but there're alot of projects like that in the RD, and they end up getting done much more thoroughly ... i just think the HD could do a much better job at it, it IS what its there for no?
I don't think we could do a better job. People from other boards tend to put up televised appearances in media section, that end up in that thread as soon as they have gone up on the net. With pen spinning going more and more on television, I don't see why we need to have an article about each time it happens. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 03:43:19
Malaysia has a board called MyPSC. Quebec (Canadian province) has like 2-3 boards but they're not worth mentionning. Pretty sure Switzerland has a board.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 05:13:54
then i dont quite understand the point of the HD ... by your logic just start the thread out in the open and the public could do just as good a job as any department could...
EDIT: and i'm not saying an article about every TV appearance, im saying a list of every TV appearance -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 05:17:24
well the department's only job is find history, not true if you leave it to the public, we could say the same thing for RD.
and in any case the History Commitee already existed in UPSBv2 and it worked well, so no reason to let it go. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 05:35:17QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 16 2007, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>we could say the same thing for RD.
yea you could using his logic lol, but i honestly think the RD does much better jobs on all the projects they do than the public would if we just made a thread in general discussion...
nothing against the public, its just that no one takes stuff seriously, and it'd become either a giant arguement or a joke ... people take stuff serious in the RD -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 08:12:46
too bad that MyPSC are not in the list.
Maybe still noob or no collab for now. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 08:47:43QUOTE (Kenzio @ Sep 16 2007, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>too bad that MyPSC are not in the list.
Maybe still noob or no collab for now.
Yes, Malyasian PSC is considered to a local community and will be included.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 09:01:49
huh?! oh ya?
That's great! Thanks~
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 10:11:41QUOTEUKPS - United Korea PenSpin
UKPS is no longer the name of this board, now it's KPSA -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 10:22:15
Cheers Banz. Do you know what KPSA is short for?
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 13:00:30
Are you guys going to copy all the articles that Phya and Tohlz had on the UPSB3 old board? They were really good to read.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 13:12:46QUOTE (Tim @ Sep 16 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are you guys going to copy all the articles that Phya and Tohlz had on the UPSB3 old board? They were really good to read.
They are now being updated and will be on UPSB v3 once they are completed.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 16:04:15QUOTE (Mats @ Sep 16 2007, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Cheers Banz. Do you know what KPSA is short for?
I believe it's Korean Pen Spinning Association
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Date: Thu, Nov 1 2007 14:01:38
Japanese Penspinning History(short and easy)
Penspinning existed before WW2 in Japan.
We can read articles from Hideaki Kondoh's website.
1975~
Penspinning is popular in Japan.
Maybe it relate to mechanical pencil.
Mechanical pencil is good to spin.
And it has been popular since about 1975.
They enjoyed penspinning in school.
1989
Hiromichi Hosoma who was a graduate student of Kyoto University, presented a study of penspinning in Japanese Ethological Society.
Many press put an article about this.
We can read that.
Their spinning tricks maybe.. normal, reverse , harmonic,etc.
We cant know exactly what it is.
Because Hiromichi Hosoma didnt presented trick itself.
Many press noticed and wrote "Penspinning trick ends a particulary form."
That form is writing form.
That form can write soon from ending form.This is like normal,sonic. Not like backaround fall.
Penspinning is called ペン回し(pen mawashi ) now.
But in that article,penspinning is called ペン回し or 浪人回し.
浪人回し(rounin mawashi) includes a negative meaning.
Because Rounin means a person who fell in entrance exam of university and has to study 1 more years.
People in Japan think penspinning is bad thing.Because its addicts dont pay attention to their teacher.
And penspinning is hated because of its noise.(When we fall pens,a noise occurs.)
1997
Hideaki Kondoh held a first website about penspinning.
Website name is "My history of Penspinning".
Many penspinner came this website , learned many skills and discovered new tricks.
They gathered his board.So,Hideaki had a great authority to penspinning society in Japan.
2004
Penspinning society in Japan was not hot.
Many old spinners retired.
They felt a limit for penspinning.
They thought "We discovered every tricks.And we cant do more high level tricks."
2005
Many penspinner saw a cv.PDS 1st.
That fascinated many young(not age itself,as a penspinner) Japanese spinners.
And freestyle began to be popular in Japan.
Generally speaking,Japanese started exchange with foreign penspinning society about this time.
They started to using modified pens and making freestyles.
Most of all spinners gathered a anonymous board "2ch".
Because of its characteristic, this board is always vulgar and aggressive.
It had a great power to centralize.
Every famous spinner cant ignore this board.
Maybe they also post to this board.
You cant understand why spinners gathered this board.
But,this board has good points , also.
It supplies frank opinions.
And because it is very centralized,we can know many information from this board.Its so useful.
In fact,2ch much contirbuted to penspinning.
You may say "By the way,what is JEB?"
Yes,JEB is created under 2ch.
Administrator of JEB is okkar.
But actually,substantial meaning,administrator was 2ch people.
Sometimes 2ch people press upon him.
2006
2ch is broken.
One Spinner got angry,and he spamed many times.
2ch lost that authority.
Decentralization began.
2ch exists now.Some people post to 2ch.
But this doesnt have so much authority and information.
2007
Now,decentralization proceeds.
Japan has no center.
Many people begins to post their own community.
This year,press is very interested in penspinning.
We founded Penspinning Association Japan.
We plan Japanese tournament on not internet.
Thank you for reading my text.
Remember, my text is just one viewpoint.
But I think my theory is right.
Because maybe I am a oldest person in penspinning society in Japan.(Not age itself,as a penspinner)
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Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 03:51:10
Hello Crasher
Thank you for your overview of the growth of PS in Japan. I've seen some of the videos by your fellow comrades and they seem to be very enthusiastic about spreading the word. I am wondering if the Japanese media contacted Mr. Hideaki Kondoh in their specials on PS.
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 02:15:20
Hello nhk9
Thank you for reading this text.QUOTE (nhk9 @ Nov 2 2007, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am wondering if the Japanese media contacted Mr. Hideaki Kondoh in their specials on PS.
Sorry,I cant understand what you mean.
What does "special" mean?
Hideaki was on tv.
The program is Necchu Zikan.(熱中時間)
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 02:24:55
Specials in this case mean any television programs (news programs or something) that are all about PenDolSa. nhk wanted to know if Hideaki has been contacted when Japan has pen spinning television shows.
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 13:08:05
Thank you,sketching
We dont have any specials.
Hideaki will be on newspaper. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 00:24:30QUOTE (sketching @ Nov 5 2007, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Specials in this case mean any television programs (news programs or something) that are all about PenDolSa. nhk wanted to know if Hideaki has been contacted when Japan has pen spinning television shows.
We're talking about Japanese spinners, not PDS. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:24:35
Whoops, I misread "PS" in nhk9's post as "PDS". >_<
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Date: Thu, Nov 22 2007 14:46:51
What about other countries?
I want to know your country's history.
Some people insist that Asian are good at penspinning.
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Date: Thu, Nov 22 2007 17:12:13
Hey I feel like I've done nothing lol. Gotta be more helpful. I need a history of THPSC but do I have to make a thread here? Or in the Wiki? I made a Wiki entry about it already.
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Date: Fri, Nov 23 2007 09:44:09
Yeah, all history stuff can go in the wiki.
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Date: Fri, Nov 23 2007 18:55:34
not completely sure if this goes here or not, but where the does name devil's (around, sonic, etc...) come from
i was just wondering this and couldn't decide where to post it so just posted it here
and also, what exactly is PenDolSa?
is it a pen spinning company, or organization..?
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Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 00:57:49
JC, those two questions are answered by articles in the PS Wiki.
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Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 02:47:50
PDS - PenDolSA
the name come from the word íŽœì„ ëŒë¦¬ëŠ” 사람들
Pen eul Dol li num Sa ram dul
it means people who spin pens
PDS was first opened by MR.LSC in 2003 and has 295690 people registered
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that all i know ^.^; -
Date: Mon, Feb 4 2008 01:27:23
If only there were more albanians
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Date: Mon, Feb 4 2008 02:02:59QUOTE (Dritan_Zulbeari @ Feb 3 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If only there were more albanians
wtf? you revived a thread just to say this? -
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 21:56:06
theres PSUK, i am an early member. but lol evryone on that board is early
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Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 18:23:32QUOTE (Sporks @ Feb 9 2008, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>theres PSUK, i am an early member. but lol evryone on that board is early
we already know that, but if you want, you can write an article explaining how it came about. -
Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 20:56:01
Asakawa pretty much covered the info there is about that in Fingerless #03 already
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Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 07:43:53
Nov 14th 2008
i worte a short history about PDS in this Reply
but i read it again and it seemed to me like i wrote it in a way that makes MR.LSC an idiot
i think it was a wrong thing to do so i'm erasing it. -
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 13:09:23QUOTE (Joshy @ Feb 11 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>PDS vs UKPS(KPSA)
August 28, 2005
The day that everything started.
In August 2005 PDS was hacked by a person with a nick name "ì¢†ìž¡ê³ ì˜¤ì—´" "Grab dick and get mad"
he hacked an admin of PDS and erased all the trick tutorials, kicked out all the other admin. and quit PDS
and disappeared.
Since then MR.LSC started to lose trust for all the people in PDS.
uhh...
You mean that Augst 28 2005 was the day the conflict started?
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Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 11:54:38
some question about history^^:
When was release of pds 1st?
when opened pds?
who have done the pds side?
thats all for the moment^^ -
Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 21:13:53QUOTEWhen was release of pds 1st?http://clubpds.edunet4u.net/ftp/pds/200405...0984_1_best.wmv
Looks to have been uploaded in May, 2004, according to the directory structure. -
Date: Sun, Jun 8 2008 17:46:25
A spanish penspinning board is born:SPSC=Spanish penspinning community.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9 2008 01:12:33QUOTE (Doktor.kt @ Jun 8 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A spanish penspinning board is born:SPSC=Spanish penspinning community.
uhh we know already.
we have a thread with a link to all websites. -
Date: Tue, Jul 29 2008 05:42:07
Yo heard recently about a hacker who messed with UPSB, and I heard that hacker was defeated by Rockstar, an administrator.
So we seached a bit and found this: http://z15.invisionfree.com/UCPSB/index.ph...;st=0&#last
and this: http://z15.invisionfree.com/UCPSB/index.php?showtopic=7099
I hope history debt will be able to see clear in this thing, but I got the feeling it's pure history. -
Date: Tue, Jul 29 2008 07:28:23
He/she just changed some thread names.. then rockstar fixed the exploit, that's pretty much it
And it was UCPSB not UPSB
Here's an image
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Date: Tue, Jul 29 2008 14:45:03
the fix was to disallow regular members editing of their thread title, even if its their own threads.
but because of that incident we started to work on a new, more secure, version of UCPSB, which became UPSBv3 -
Date: Tue, Jul 29 2008 23:27:26
Hey thank you verry much guys.
I just improved my PSing knowledge... That's nice... -
Date: Sat, Oct 11 2008 15:36:34
I know this is a bit dumb but i want to know why UPSB v1 --> UCPSB v1 --> UPSB v2 --> UCPSB v2 --> UPSB v3?
Maybe i'm not right about the info and stuff.
Is it just because UPSB wanted to keep developing?
If so, need be, will there "ever" be a UCPSB v3 or(and) UPSB v4?? -
Date: Sat, Oct 11 2008 15:57:47
"UPSB v1 --> UCPSB v1 --> UPSB v2 --> UCPSB v2 --> UPSB v3"
it's actually:
Pentix -> (UPSB v1) -> UPSB v2 -> UCPSB V1 -> UCPSB v2 -> (UCPSBv3) -> UPSB v3
UPSB v1 was created because the Pentix forum was inadequate (bandwidth problems), also UPSB is designed as a common forum for many PS websites back then like PenstudioZ, PenSpin Palace, Hantricks and Pentrix, hence the name Universal. http://www.pentrix.com/upsb2/viewtopic.php?t=40
UPSB v1 is actually a test forum that was never used and we skipped straight to UPSBv2 cuz the address of UPSB was pentrix.com/upsb2/ cuz kam never moved the directory to simply /upsb/.
We closed down UPSBv2 cuz it had many security issues and there was too much spam. We were supposed to open UPSBv3 soon but it never happened so UCPSB v1 was created.
UCPSBv1 was created on forumup.com which was bad, so we moved to invisionfree, hence UCPSBv2.
UCPSBv2 had some security issues and we wanted more features on it so we worked on UCPSBv3, then I asked kam "might as well make it UPSBv3" and he agreed, so UCPSBv3 got renamed to UPSBv3.
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Date: Sat, Oct 11 2008 16:14:52
Thanks Zombo.
Anyways, would like to make an account on Indian PS History (will update further):
2003
Some dude started spinning - need to find name
2005
Loads of people saw PS videos online and quite some started trying
2006
Almost everyone gave up except for few, whom I need to find.
2007
Some people started and according to me haven't quit yet!
2008
Me and PSArcher joined. We plan to get "a lot" better and start and Indian PenSpinning Community. I'm not sure about it 100%. If we are "ever" gonna make it, we will not name it IPSB or IPSC!
(This is not appropriate info as many dont/haven't PS/ed in India)
And Zombo you still havent answered my question :" Will there "ever" be a UPSB v4 or will there be need for UPSB v4?" -
Date: Sat, Oct 11 2008 16:35:36
That question can't be answered, obviously. UPSBv3 will keep developing and hopefully we won't need a new forum for a while, but if something drastic happens, or in a lot of years if IPB isn't a suitable way to keep the forum anymore we will have to move to a new forum. Which in that case would be named "UPSBv4".
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Date: Sat, Oct 11 2008 16:39:51
I can't answer that question because I can't predict the future
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Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 00:35:39QUOTE (Zombo @ Oct 11 2008, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can't answer that question because I can't predict the future
u can at zombocom.
to my question : what was the original upsb like? was it as useful as it is today?
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Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 01:59:35
thats a highly subjective question... the HD is concerned with documenting facts not opinions....
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Date: Sat, Jan 3 2009 15:18:37
how abobut SPSC?
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Date: Sat, Jan 3 2009 16:29:19QUOTE (Antonio Garcia @ Jan 3 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how abobut SPSC?
ask a Spanish spinner -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 22:52:03
any1 kno how old pen spinning is?
i kno it existed in Korea b4 1940, cause my dad also used to spin (not well, just like the basics) in his school days, and he told me his friends brothers (they started, according to my calculations, around 1940) spun too. so thats as old as i kno for korea. -
Date: Sat, Jan 24 2009 07:12:53QUOTE (KimD @ Jan 19 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>any1 kno how old pen spinning is?
i kno it existed in Korea b4 1940, cause my dad also used to spin (not well, just like the basics) in his school days, and he told me his friends brothers (they started, according to my calculations, around 1940) spun too. so thats as old as i kno for korea.
uh ... its kinda vague. because penspinning in the old days and modern days is different
if you say like twirling your pen then its hundreds of years old
but modern penspinning is not that old
maybe like less than 40 years? idk
correct me if im wrong
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Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 00:57:00
My guess is that it started advancing around the time of Hideaki... so modern penspinning = 1990 something?
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Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 05:09:37
nope.. it would have been happening from much earlier. I know some Chinese guys whose fathers have been doing it since they were kids. And not just twirling it.. Actual TA and stuff..
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Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 23:26:05
I know, but what defines the start of modern Pen Spining? When people start doing non-fundamentals?
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Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 01:49:38
modern ps imo starts with hideaki kondoh and his website, so I say since 1997.
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Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 23:36:08
I'm pretty sure modern pen spinning started before that... I think Hideaki was just the start pen spinning spreading...
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Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 23:42:05
it depends what you mean by modern pen spinning.
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Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 05:09:29
There is also a Quebec Pen Spinning Board!
Here
http://quebecpenspinning.forumactif.net/
For people who speak french ^^ -
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 06:30:25QUOTE (L1nK-0-R4mA @ Mar 1 2009, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There is also a Quebec Pen Spinning Board!
Here
http://quebecpenspinning.forumactif.net/
For people who speak french ^^
wrong place
put it in Website sticky in general disc -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 08:54:04
i would like to ask a question.
did modern pen spinning started from one country/community, then eventually spinners from other countries joined,learned to spin and created their own community for their areas?
or did modern pen spinning was developed in isolated communities, which did not know there's some other pen spinning community at the another edge of the world, and finally when a member randomly searched out there are other communities exchange of tricks/knowledge of pen spinning started? -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 09:00:15QUOTE (loonwern93 @ Mar 28 2009, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i would like to ask a question.
did modern pen spinning started from one country/community, then eventually spinners from other countries joined,learned to spin and created their own community for their areas?
or did modern pen spinning was developed in isolated communities, which did not know there's some other pen spinning community at the another edge of the world, and finally when a member randomly searched out there are other communities exchange of tricks/knowledge of pen spinning started?
It started by realisation so I would say it started in Asia and it spread. -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 09:15:31
i always thought upsb was a isolated community until upsb+pds collab
guesss im wrong. -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 10:28:06QUOTE (loonwern93 @ Mar 28 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i always thought upsb was a isolated community until upsb+pds collab guesss im wrong.
It can never be an isolated community. It's Universal - Most of the Non-Asian people find this board first. -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 13:31:57QUOTE (loonwern93 @ Mar 28 2009, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i always thought upsb was a isolated community until upsb+pds collab guesss im wrong.
ta the time there was only 2 communities: upsb and pds, so it's not really isolated, there just wasn't anything else, and PDS was created after UPSB. -
Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 13:40:37
I wanna ask wat is PPP? Heard some friends talking 'bout it.
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Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 14:03:20QUOTE (Shrouded Figure @ Apr 6 2009, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I wanna ask wat is PPP? Heard some friends talking 'bout it.
It's a board for polish spinners. So Basically it's a Poland Pen Spinning Board.
From Wiki:
"The Portal Polskich Penspinnerów (Polish Pen Spinning Portal) (PPP) is a Polish pen spinning website and board. It was founded by Dante and Kmibar on April 28, 2006."
Here's the Wiki page: http://www.upsb.info/wiki/index.php/PPP -
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 14:52:43
Hello,
I've read this on the english wikipedia article about pen spinning:QUOTEThe earliest record of pen spinning comes from a student in pre-World War II in Japan (Asahi Shimbun January 31, 2008, 37th page).
I'd like to know if anybody has a link to the article from Asahi Shinbun, or a picture of it...
I'm very interested in the "old history" of pen spinning so any information i could get would be cool =p
I have a history of FPSB somewhere, i'll translate it some day for the wiki... -
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 23:14:22
It might be just me, but I'm betting that's vandalism.
It's just like the guy that thought "akujinoeso" was the world champion, etc. -
Date: Thu, May 14 2009 14:03:40
Asahi Shimbun is a newspaper,
if you wanto more info you'll need to find this article from this newspaper. -
Date: Thu, May 14 2009 14:42:55QUOTE (Zombo @ May 14 2009, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Asahi Shimbun is a newspaper,
if you wanto more info you'll need to find this article from this newspaper.
Yes i know that, but i couldn't find this article on their website, so i ask here, hoping that some japanese spinner who knows it could help me ^^' -
Date: Thu, May 14 2009 15:22:50
kura has found the following article in his university archive
http://www.mediafire.com/?tctc50zwjwy -
Date: Thu, May 14 2009 22:15:28QUOTE (Zombo @ May 14 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh nice, thanks a lot to you and kura =) I didn't expect an answer that quickly
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Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 20:25:23
The dutch forum is: nlpsc.actieforum.com
Netherlands PenSpinning Comunnity
btw. i'm the founder of it