UPSB v3
Philosophy / Does a the pen define style?
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 02:56:54
Does a pen spinner's pen define his/her style? If so, how?
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 03:04:34
Well...i think so....a little...
take Bonkura....for example...
he spins very slowly but uber smoothly....easier with a KT.....
using a. f-3000 for that style is gonna be a pain....
so is nory/hunlanlin and thier crazy busts...
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 03:09:35
Eh Bonkura spins decently fast and he used a ballsign which is really light before he used a KT so I don't really agree with that part ArchAngel.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 03:12:03
Hmm, interesting question, there are defiantly pens that are associated with a style but I don't think that the pen defines the style. I mean we have a great example Eriror, his spins an MSXA yet spins very Korean (well I'll let him speak for him self on that he just says he uses a lot of their mini combos). But I do see where you're coming from like someone says Pencil and the auto thought is David Weis, or MX and you think Kam. Idk interesting topic it can be seen from both sides with very good arguments.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 03:23:15
One thing I've noticed is that for a while, a lot of pen spinners have similar styles, but as their pen spinning age increases, a different style develops.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 05:15:43QUOTE (sangara @ May 14 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmm, interesting question, there are defiantly pens that are associated with a style but I don't think that the pen defines the style. I mean we have a great example Eriror, his spins an MSXA yet spins very Korean (well I'll let him speak for him self on that he just says he uses a lot of their mini combos). But I do see where you're coming from like someone says Pencil and the auto thought is David Weis, or MX and you think Kam. Idk interesting topic it can be seen from both sides with very good arguments.
eriror isnt rly korean...he has his own style...and i love it
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 05:42:07
It seems to me that if anything, the pen spinner's style has an impact in their choice of pen. Spinners choose pens that suit their needs for the tricks they do most often. For example, I use a RSVP v2 because of it's simplicity, and because it has a grip on one end, but most weight on the other, which is condusive to infinity tricks.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 10:58:07
I'd say yeah, there are some pens that give penspinners similar styles when they spin it. The Tombow Swifter is one example, how people spin it tends to be quite similar. Zebras also.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 16:24:55
This is very true IMO. Dr. Kt spinners anyone? They generally all have a style that is quite similar. Lighter mods usually have much different spin styles
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 18:44:21QUOTE (iMatt @ May 15 2008, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is very true IMO. Dr. Kt spinners anyone? They generally all have a style that is quite similar. Lighter mods usually have much different spin styles
This is one reason that i dont like the KT's and tip heavy pens. They flop around a lot when you do spins. I like thumbspins and shadows too much to use such a heavy pen. -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 19:00:18
i wouldn't say that it defines the whole style (like korean, old school, jap, european...), but it does affect it a lot. i think that some tricks are easier to do with some mods, so one will probably do tricks he can do best, and use the mod he likes the best for those tricks.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 20:59:02
i used to think that an mx with that stereotypical korean insert made the combo look korean untill i saw a combo by toast that used a very korean mx, but was spun toast style. but kt's can be spun in many ways, very few kt combos look similar.
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ayatori and kuzu use the same pen, and yet there styles are WAY different.
but!
F-3000 combos almost always look the same
so, jamie is unsure...but leans toward no -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 21:05:30
What would the Dr. KT style be? It seems to be spun by all kinds of people.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 21:46:34
momentum tricks, baks and continuous tricks i guess?
its not the people that use the pen that make the style of the pen, its the pen properties -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 22:41:12QUOTE (xxdefinitionxx @ May 14 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>eriror isnt rly korean...he has his own style...and i love it
Like I said, I would let him speak for him self. But he did say he uses a lot of their mini combos, and if I do recall he even admitted it was Korean.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 22:58:17QUOTE (sangara @ May 15 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Like I said, I would let him speak for him self. But he did say he uses a lot of their mini combos, and if I do recall he even admitted it was Korean.
he admitted the mini combos were korean...but his spinning as a whole? -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 23:47:40QUOTE (Erirornal K. @ Mar 2 2008, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Korean.
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showt...=1552&st=60
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 01:59:34
i always thought pens defined prefernces?
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 02:10:45QUOTE (000zero0000 @ May 15 2008, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i always thought pens defined prefernces?
Well they define your personal preferences, but they don't define the way you spin. -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 05:33:43QUOTE (sangara @ May 15 2008, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
fine....
*pwnt*
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 14:23:59QUOTE (sketching @ May 15 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What would the Dr. KT style be? It seems to be spun by all kinds of people.
They seem to use a LOT of Korean BackArounds.
Either that or FingerPasses + Shadows. -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 15:34:06
i realy dont think that a pen define your style
but i spin a kt and i do alot of koren backaround as xero siad but i chose do theme -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 20:50:54
now im confused..
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 21:40:29QUOTE (ArchAngel @ May 14 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>he spins very slowly but uber smoothly....easier with a KT.....
using a. f-3000 for that style is gonna be a pain....
NHK_9QUOTEbut!
F-3000 combos almost always look the same
I think this is because when people pick up an F-3000 for some reason they get the urge to try and spin like nhk_9 (i know i do) because most other styles would just look stupid with that pen, but they can be spun in many different styles, so no, pen does not define your style -
Date: Sat, May 17 2008 01:36:20
Key3 spins F-3000 in PTSL 5.5, yet it isn't nhk_9's style.
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Date: Sat, May 17 2008 14:12:04
i spin BICtory and i think thats my style
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Date: Sat, May 17 2008 15:19:26
I would say that your style defines then pen you pick to spin.
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Date: Sat, May 17 2008 15:25:57QUOTE (Joe Bennett @ May 17 2008, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I would say that your style defines the pen you pick to spin.
lol, I like that. Best answer so far.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 01:08:15QUOTE (Joe Bennett @ May 17 2008, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I would say that your style defines then pen you pick to spin.Then what pen would you pick for any particular styles? You pick the pen depending on what attributes you like in your pen mod, not for what tricks you are planning on doing. Tricks/combos are not pen-specific.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 04:43:52
JUST SPIN THE DAMN PEN!!
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 05:05:20QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ May 16 2008, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>NHK_9
I think this is because when people pick up an F-3000 for some reason they get the urge to try and spin like nhk_9 (i know i do) because most other styles would just look stupid with that pen, but they can be spun in many different styles, so no, pen does not define your style
werd actually, i try to spin like nhk too,
but also the are better for those kind of tricks he did (baktaps, thumbspins)
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 06:35:42QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ May 17 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Joe Bennett @ May 17 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would say that your style defines then pen you pick to spin.
lol, I like that. Best answer so far.
*applauds*
That's the same thing that I said:QUOTE (yahu @ May 15 2008, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It seems to me that if anything, the pen spinner's style has an impact in their choice of pen. Spinners choose pens that suit their needs for the tricks they do most often. For example, I use a RSVP v2 because of it's simplicity, and because it has a grip on one end, but most weight on the other, which is condusive to infinity tricks.
Also,QUOTE (sketching @ May 17 2008, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Then what pen would you pick for any particular styles? You pick the pen depending on what attributes you like in your pen mod, not for what tricks you are planning on doing. Tricks/combos are not pen-specific.
I disagree sketching. I think most spinners figure out what tricks they like doing, and eventually settle on a pen most condusive to doing those types of tricks. -
Date: Sun, May 18 2008 06:54:05
@Yahu: in that case, the pen did not define the style, the style dictated what pen mod attributes worked for the spinner. That spinner would most likely be able to do just as well with any other pen mod with similar attributes because those attributes work well with that spinner. Attributes that would actually affect spinning performance (IMO) are:
- A certain length or length range
- A certain weight or range
- A certain weight-distribution
- A certain barrel texture (or lack of)
With the above in mind, any spinner will most likely have multiple choices of pen mods, the actual choice of a specific pen mod may just come down to part availability or aesthetic choice.
I still would like some examples of what styles people think came about from a specific pen mod so that the kinds of tricks/performance can be looked at and compared to other styles and whether those other styles are performed mainly by spinners with other pen mods exclusively. Depending on what a spinner likes, many pen mods can be further modified to give better personal results. People have taken BICtories and made the end weights as heavy as a Dr. KT, for example. -
Date: Sun, May 18 2008 13:31:41
Yes sketching, that is my point exatly. The style defines the pen. And you're right that different pens can fill the same needs.
As far as examples go, I think there are lots of good ones. NHK spins with a pen that's fairly short, and with weight evenly distributed, which is condusive to the spinning tricks he prefers. KAM uses the MX, which is condusive to infinties, and interesting around tricks. David Weis used to use a pencil, which was condusive to the continuous tricks he did. Tohlz has been known to switch pens based on his needs for a specific combo. -
Date: Sun, May 18 2008 18:22:46QUOTE (yahu @ May 18 2008, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes sketching, that is my point exatly. The style defines the pen. And you're right that different pens can fill the same needs.
As far as examples go, I think there are lots of good ones. NHK spins with a pen that's fairly short, and with weight evenly distributed, which is condusive to the spinning tricks he prefers. KAM uses the MX, which is condusive to infinties, and interesting around tricks. David Weis used to use a pencil, which was condusive to the continuous tricks he did. Tohlz has been known to switch pens based on his needs for a specific combo.
He still uses a pencil, there's just tape on the ends .
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Date: Sat, May 24 2008 23:58:21
the way you spin your pen or any pen is your style