UPSB v3
Pen Modifications / New Rules? Mods, please take a look
Guidelines needed for Mod Tutorials
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 07:11:49
Very plain and simple, in the past couple months i've been very tired of seeing the same mod repeat over and over again. On top of that, when they make a tutorial out of the blue, it's done very improperly. (Monsterous pen)/(ComSSola) and etc. With that being said, i want to see if I can push for somebody, hell even i'll do it, to make a rules/guidelines page that is highlighted at the beginning of the: PEN MODIFICATIONS sub-section. Not only a guideline page, but a submission process. Where mod tutorials are reviewed before the post is made, this way we can prevent repeat mods and many others since many don't seem to read the rules part. People are just too lazy to actually research pens.
My Proposal for tutorials
1.) All tutorials must state
Name:
COG:
Length: In Centimeters
Weight: In Grams or Greater than or Less Than [ pen>other pen>first pen] type of format
Pens Needed:
(If pen is not known, state where Pen was bought) Ex: [City, State, COUNTRY, Date/ or whatever format is most comfortable to that user]
2.) Tutorials Must Contain Pictures of Pen Assembly in Progress
3.) Tutorial Must Also Contain a Question and Answers section that is useful, not purposely witty. Wittiness can be implemented into it, but not THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Q & A.
4.) If Mod is a mod of another that is being changed to an extent[improvisation] Credit must be given to original maker. Ex: Mixing an MX^2 and a MSXA. (optional type of idea)
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The other part I want to talk about was the review process
Once a mod tutorial is posted, it should take a moderator approval before it can be put on the forum.
1.) Post is made, goes to moderators for review
2.) Mods check for needed post material
3.) If Tutorial is approved, it shall be posted
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For an Improper tutorial
1.) Post Is Made, goes to modeator for review
2.) If Pen has been already made
- Moderator sends message saying pen has already been made, then suggesting putting it in "Show off your Pens Thread
3.) If Pen has not been made, but has missing elements
-Moderator puts that [insert missing elements] are not there and it will not be posted until elements are filled
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To me this entire thing is very simple idea that can save many people a lot of time/patients and possibly help Newcomers not get flamed for mods.
IF there's anything i didn't cover, please just reply here or give me a PM, i'm more than willing to help on any part of this. So please mods, take this into consideration seriously. -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 09:03:51
i don't agree with this...i think the tutorial can perfectly be on video and have a pic of the final pen...and you shouldn't do this before talking to moderators
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 09:10:47
I am totally for this idea, but the manpower required is ridiculous ._. Poor overworked mods,
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 09:19:55
id say scratch the mod apart and just post it will all that stuff.
but it could be a video as well.. -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 11:34:19
what if ppl can't take pictures...?what if ppl can only film?i think the tutorials should be done on video and just put the final product on a pic if you want...if you can't film do it with pics
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 12:13:20
I'm very much for modification tutorials being reviewed by a mod before getting posted. However, some of your requirements for a tutorial should be altered.
pen_MAKer, isn't this suggestion directed at the mods and admins of this board? Why should he need to talk to them before releasing the proposal in public? Also, a tutorial without pics (or video) is most of the times completely useless. However, it could just be stated as a guideline to include pics, and then let the mods who approve/disapprove the tutorial judge whether it's understandable even though it has no pics.
Great idea! -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 13:56:54QUOTE (pen_MAKer @ May 15 2008, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i don't agree with this...i think the tutorial can perfectly be on video and have a pic of the final pen...and you shouldn't do this before talking to moderators
A video=MORE BANDWIDTH/ much more loading for anyone with a slower connection, yet i agree videos can be good, but pictures are the most effective way to go about this. I'm not here to start a back and forth bitch-fight about, this isn't directed towards you, its directed towards the moderators. -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 14:01:49
i think that this is a good idea, but i dont think it needs to go to the extent that is described. maybe just premake the tutorial and send it to a moderator and have them preview it before it gets posted. that way its atleast filtered a bit.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 15:29:29QUOTE (iMatt @ May 15 2008, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>2.) Tutorials Must Contain Pictures of Pen Assembly in Progress
Yes. If you dont have a camera borrow one! If you cant borrow one then WAIT until you can get your hands on one. Posting a tutorial without pictures is USELESS and the majority of people who might possibly be interested will likely ignore the tutorial since interpreting text tutorials is tedious.QUOTE (iMatt @ May 15 2008, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>3.) Tutorial Must Also Contain a Question and Answers section that is useful, not purposely witty. Wittiness can be implemented into it, but not THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Q & A.
I dont think a Q&A should be mandatory but ever since i started doing that in my own tutorials people have tried to copy the concept but their Q&A are completely useless. I realize i have my own useless/sarcastic Q&A in my own tutorials but i also have USEFUL Q&A unlike most/all tutorials i've seen trying to copy my tutorial style ._.
I think a more rigorous pen mod tutorial guideline would be useful for the most part. It would at least hopefully deter the amount of poor pen mods from being "released". -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 15:50:42QUOTE1.)Sure, but I'm okay with giving a relative weight only, unless you really want to weight the pen itself. You don't need to know the exact weight, just an idea so you can decide whether you want to try the mod out.
Name:
COG:
Length: In Centimeters
Weight: In Grams or Greater than or Less Than [ pen>other pen>first pen] type of format
Pens Needed:QUOTE2.) Tutorials Must Contain Pictures of Pen Assembly in ProgressMost mods are fairly simple and a photo of the completed product is usually enough. I'd only suggest step-by-step photos if you are doing more complex/new stuff. A construction video will work as a substitute.QUOTE3.) Tutorial Must Also Contain a Question and Answers section that is useful, not purposely witty. Wittiness can be implemented into it, but not THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Q & A.No. Pre-lease Q&A sections are just stupid. The entire thread is for Q&A. Putting actual thread questions & answers up later makes sense, but not before, just add that stuff to the tutorial itself.QUOTE4.) If Mod is a mod of another that is being changed to an extent[improvisation] Credit must be given to original maker. Ex: Mixing an MX^2 and a MSXA. (optional type of idea)I'm okay with this.QUOTEOnce a mod tutorial is posted, it should take a moderator approval before it can be put on the forum....If there can be an easy process for submitting tutorials to all the staff at the same time, and once one moderator approves a thread, it's taken off the list, I would be okay with the idea. Otherwise, we can just have a sticky with these guidelines and be more open to closing half-assed tutorials until the author PMs a better one. -
Date: Thu, May 15 2008 16:09:51QUOTE (sketching @ May 15 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sure, but I'm okay with giving a relative weight only, unless you really want to weight the pen itself. You don't need to know the exact weight, just an idea so you can decide whether you want to try the mod out.
Most mods are fairly simple and a photo of the completed product is usually enough. I'd only suggest step-by-step photos if you are doing more complex/new stuff. A construction video will work as a substitute.
No. Pre-lease Q&A sections are just stupid. The entire thread is for Q&A. Putting actual thread questions & answers up later makes sense, but not before, just add that stuff to the tutorial itself.
I'm okay with this.
If there can be an easy process for submitting tutorials to all the staff at the same time, and once one moderator approves a thread, it's taken off the list, I would be okay with the idea. Otherwise, we can just have a sticky with these guidelines and be more open to closing half-assed tutorials until the author PMs a better one.
Alright, thats fine by me. I'll be writing up a formal page for this. Eso said he would sticky it for me, This was just a rough idea of what kind of rules there should be. Not the actual thing -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 00:44:27
Im all for it. Im tired of seeing so many "poor" pen mods and tutorials.
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 00:53:46
I like the idea... damn my tut covered all of this, to bad it was already made
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 00:59:50
Yes, I agree with it being sent in. Not sure how strict the requirements should be, but it should be at the discretion of the moderator. Generally, you can tell when a new mod is good and if something is missing the creator and the reviewer will change a couple of pms to get this right.
I'm really happy you brought this up again, I was saying this a little while ago as well (here). -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 01:38:46
Anyway, this is a brainstorm thread, so its still in the works. There was no idea of punishment for not following the guidelines really. If there are official guidelines made/finalized by a moderator then I'm sure they will be more than reasonable. If someone missed something, then they will get back some constructive criticism on what they need to fix to improve the overall clarity. This is good for the creator because this way people will be more likely to give it a shot, but it also helps a lot for the person considering the mod when they know roughly how it will feel, look, and the difficulty level of the mod before they go ahead and make it.
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 03:19:20
I'm all for this.
I'm tired of seeing retarded mods being posted. If your gonna make a mod, at least put thought and time into it. -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 04:45:56
Childish bickering removed. Keep things civil or go act up elsewhere.
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 05:20:40
Actually I agree with iMatt
This will definitely help reduce the number of unnecessary mods that have been produced lately -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 12:59:30
its simple really
anybody can post their tutorials and if it follow the guidelines you "approve" it either by adding a tag in the title of the thread or it's copied on the wiki. Or it gets moved to a special subsection where only good tutorials are kept. -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 13:07:30QUOTE (iMatt @ May 15 2008, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>4.) If Mod is a mod of another that is being changed to an extent[improvisation] Credit must be given to original maker. Ex: Mixing an MX^2 and a MSXA. (optional type of idea)
This would have eliminated the issue and controversy with the Zebra F-301, M-301 Retractable mods and would have given proper credit to both people for coming up with something unique.
My only suggestion is that you add a Pro's Con's List. -
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 14:51:00
yea, make a subforum in Pen Modifications where passed tutorials that are really good are put. the moderators must pass them too
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 19:07:09QUOTE (CudOfCow @ May 16 2008, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This would have eliminated the issue and controversy with the Zebra F-301, M-301 Retractable mods and would have given proper credit to both people for coming up with something unique.
There shouldnt have been controversy in the first place. Trevor made a mod, i made something completely different but it looked the same and people got butt hurt and it progressed from there. Not to mention 2 people were fighting over who created it first and I got pulled into the fray subsequently.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 00:59:10
If there is a sub-section for approved tutorials, it should be quite clear the mod itself is not actually approved, but just the tutorial. I don't care what your pen mod looks like or spins like, as long as you can provide an adequate tutorial so other people can try it out for themselves.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 02:02:53
on another note, can we have the wiki be a place for approved mods? I know its more work, but id rather have only the moderators edit it. I'd ideally like it to be a place where i can see all the best mods picked by the moderators who really know whats good.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 02:25:35
Having only moderators edit the wiki would defeat one of the main purposes of the wiki.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 02:52:50
well, for some reason, I really like to go by other people's opinions on certain things, like gamespot, i usually buy the best rated games.
I was wondering if maybe there was a way the moderators could put together some sort of list with the best mods? possibly by updating the famous mods thread with some newer mods that have come around that are deemed worthy? -
Date: Sun, May 18 2008 02:54:14
You can't really say some mods are better than others since it's partly preferenc.e
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 02:55:32
Each tutorial could come with a poll that's has options 1-5 to rate the quality of the mod. Then people could see the general opinion of the mod. Like a system to allow the public to rate mods.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 03:19:01
@Awesome: people could just use the thread rating system for that.
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Date: Mon, May 19 2008 15:57:27
what if we had thought of a certain pen, and how to modificate it, but before we post the tutorial we realize that a similar pen exists, even thought that is modded differently?the credits go to....?
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Date: Mon, May 19 2008 16:29:08QUOTE (pen_MAKer @ May 19 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what if we had thought of a certain pen, and how to modificate it, but before we post the tutorial we realize that a similar pen exists, even thought that is modded differently?the credits go to....?
I think you should give a shout out to whoever was involved with the inspiration. Keeps things positive. I think people get all bent out of shape when you talk about giving "credit" to people. I think a shout out is a much more pleasant way of saying, "i came up with another way, but i got the inspiration from others."
also...Dont modificate on my pens man.... -
Date: Mon, May 19 2008 16:37:47
I believe pen_MAKer is talking about coming up with a mod without knowing about the other mod first. He wouldn't credit the person who made a similar mod if he didn't know about it and didn't actually gain any inspiration from it.
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Date: Mon, May 19 2008 16:48:05QUOTE (sketching @ May 19 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I believe pen_MAKer is talking about coming up with a mod without knowing about the other mod first. He wouldn't credit the person who made a similar mod if he didn't know about it and didn't actually gain any inspiration from it.
How about a "Similar Mods" section? Then anyone that has created a tutorial similar to the one in question, can post their links and a moderator can add them to the tutorial. It could be in one of those hidden spoiler boxes... -
Date: Mon, May 19 2008 20:31:16
There are a lot of good ideas here.
I'd volunteer to pick through pending tutorials. I've a pretty solid head on my shoulders, and have a fair bit of free time now that school sports are over.