UPSB v3

Advanced Tricks / Orientative Order to learn Tricks (Learning order)

  1. Tioloco
    Date: Fri, May 16 2008 18:18:05

    i didnt know for sure where to post this, so i hope any mod moves it if necessary wink.gif
    well ive done an orientative order in with to learn tricks. here it is:



    i hope new members find it helpful. after lvl 5 there are more tricks, but i beleive when uve reached that lvl that u can find them for yourself, but when u r a newcomer u need more help. and of course there are also more tricks for this lvls, but ive only included the ones i think are more useful to practice and to use in combos.

    and i repeat its an orientative order, just what i beleive, and this may change depending on the spinner. for example, one can find easier a shadow than an indexaround, but i think theres no point in learning shadow if u dont know how to link a sonic with a tw sonic...

    the idea is as follows, i think ppl should learn the tricks beggining with lvl 1, then 2, etc, but u cna skip some tricks if u wish to, of course xD

    well hope everyone enjoys it =)

    dust_kid has also helped making this other chart. thanks a lot!

  2. 000zero0000
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 03:34:48

    nice, you should exted it so you got every trick on it O.o

  3. AwonW
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 03:47:01

    Why did you put arounds in section 1 and indexaround in section 2?

  4. GreatMind
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 03:51:53

    Add to it please. biggrin.gif

  5. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 04:06:21

    Kind of confusing. I like kam's web better.

    Perhaps another way of organizing it would be better?

  6. Duckrus
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 06:07:24

    yea it seems that your order is a little confusing, I cant really explain it, it just doesn't seem right.

  7. scyros
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 07:01:29

    although i appreciate the effort you put in to your chart, it just doesn't make sense to me. I guess it just depends on your personal bias on when to learn certain tricks. Personally I would have incorporated shadows in to lvl 2.

  8. dust_kid
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 07:45:43

    I made an attempt to do something similar to Pentrix's one but with more tricks. Here's what I got:

  9. jess
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 07:55:36

    @dust_kid: whoa O.O must've taken a long time to make that xD
    its good how it has a better coverage of tricks :] good job clap.gif

  10. VietMaths
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 08:42:12

    Someone should sticky this topic ... For all the people who are like:

    " WUT TREEK NEX ? "

  11. Tioloco
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 09:15:10

    QUOTE (000zero0000 @ May 16 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    nice, you should exted it so you got every trick on it O.o

    i know, but i dont pretty much know further tricks, as my lvl is not higher than that xDD i just think it might be useful for begginers.

    QUOTE (AwonW)
    Why did you put arounds in section 1 and indexaround in section 2?

    around is the branch where i included the bak, the indexaround and all.

  12. dust_kid
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 09:40:29

    Could you give me credit for my version?

  13. Tioloco
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 14:18:11

    QUOTE (dust_kid @ May 17 2008, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Could you give me credit for my version?

    i copied your version in the first post, so that it helps more, as it's much more complete than mine xD

  14. SuperRegular
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 14:38:28

    Very nice
    Covers just a simple number of tricks for beginners to learn in a logical order (I think)
    I realized I learned them pretty much in that order also laugh.gif

  15. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 15:17:34

    Still a bit messy, but better. Although there needs to be a few corrections. Neo-sonic and pass-arounds are all simply Finger Arounds 0.5. And a Bak rev is a FL IA.

    Could use a lot of improvement still, to make it look more clean and easy to follow, ya know?

    But nice job man. I appreciate the effort you took into making it.

  16. Missle_Z
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 17:21:20

    lol, Look Into The Sun gettin' all in your face eh? tongue.gif

  17. PenCell
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 17:39:14

    Wow these must have taken awhile, but like alot of things they can laways be improved.

  18. TRoc
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 18:00:46

    I would NOT catagorize this in as in order in which to learn tricks. I'm pretty sure there have been many discussions about trick orders for beginners, and they've all come out to the same conclusion: everyone learns tricks at a different paces and orders. No tricks should have levels, that's ridiculous. And as another point, for example, you don't have to know how to do the shadow in order to do the Devil's Sonic.

    ALTHOUGH, I do believe that this is a good diagram that shows which trick would be easier to learn after certain tricks can be done fluently.

  19. kirt7788
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 18:08:33

    cool ive been needing something like this! thanks! dancingpickle.gif

  20. dust_kid
    Date: Sat, May 17 2008 23:12:35

    QUOTE (Tioloco @ May 18 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    i copied your version in the first post, so that it helps more, as it's much more complete than mine xD


    At least put a "by dust_kid" or something.

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ May 18 2008, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    And a Bak rev is a FL IA.


    FL IA is done vertically, bak rev is done horizontally.

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ May 18 2008, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Could use a lot of improvement still, to make it look more clean and easy to follow, ya know?


    Yeah, I'm thinking of how at the moment.

  21. sketching
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 00:51:53

    And where's my credit for my massive lists in this style that were lost when PSCocnclave went down? Damn you PSConclave!




    ...anyway, good job I guess if someone really can't figure out what to do next, you can point them here to figure something out. BTW, the Trick List @ the wiki might be interesting for some of you too.

  22. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 01:43:26

    The trick list at the wiki rocks. Too bad it wasn't around when I was newer. I used to visit a number of different sites just to learn tricks. And some even had different names for tricks -- all very confusing.

  23. dust_kid
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 04:05:22


    Updated one.

  24. 000zero0000
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 04:20:05

    lets make this into a mass project

  25. Tioloco
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 08:47:58

    dust_kid updated the first post with your new one and credits. thnx!

  26. Jacobä
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 14:25:37

    Awesome job dust_kid.

    For the future i think it'd be interesting to create a combo chart (something like K4LC > K7LC > Devil's Sonic Combo,,,).

  27. dust_kid
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 20:56:47

  28. Duckrus
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 21:10:09

    QUOTE (dust_kid @ May 18 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


    clap.gif

    This chart should be sticked or something.

  29. Jacobä
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 21:17:28

    You should just put Multiple Inifinity (rev, inv and inv rev) rather than creating a giant list of variations.
    But it's awesome.

  30. Resonant
    Date: Sun, May 18 2008 21:27:17

    Wasn't Eso working on a new-style type of chart? I forget if he dropped it or not.

  31. CudOfCow
    Date: Mon, May 19 2008 15:10:26

    Holy infinities.

    It'd be nice to see a list like this color coded based on experience level. Fundamentals>Kind of advanced>very advanced>variations...

    A catalogue of known pen spin tricks.

  32. Novastrike
    Date: Wed, May 21 2008 17:11:34

    It remind me of this

  33. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Wed, May 21 2008 21:10:45

    This is much nicer! Nice job indeed.

    Why is there both fingerless fingeraround and korean bak rev? They're the same trick. Best to just have it like this: fingerless fingeraround/korean bak rev.

  34. Jacobä
    Date: Wed, May 21 2008 21:31:25

    FL FA is vertical i think...

  35. dust_kid
    Date: Thu, May 22 2008 07:20:42

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ May 22 2008, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Why is there both fingerless fingeraround and korean bak rev? They're the same trick. Best to just have it like this: fingerless fingeraround/korean bak rev.



    QUOTE (dust_kid @ May 18 2008, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    FL IA is done vertically, bak rev is done horizontally.


    New one:

  36. Tain
    Date: Mon, May 26 2008 17:32:29

    QUOTE (dust_kid @ May 22 2008, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    New one:

    dude, that is sweet!, but you need harmonics in there too... do you care if i edit yours and add harmonics?

    Inverse Extended Multiple Infinity Reverse, now thats a trick!

  37. Tioloco
    Date: Mon, May 26 2008 22:04:57

    updated with the last one dust_kid, thnx a lot. i put yours the first as it is much nicer wink.gif

  38. shoeman6
    Date: Tue, May 27 2008 01:45:00

    thanks ^^ I'm gonna use it to see what tricks I need to learn >.< xD

  39. dust_kid
    Date: Tue, May 27 2008 05:59:49

    QUOTE (Tain @ May 27 2008, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    dude, that is sweet!, but you need harmonics in there too... do you care if i edit yours and add harmonics?


    I haven't put harmonics because it would just make it too confusing.

    Also there are just too many tricks:

    eg. twisted sonic

    Twisted Sonic
    Twisted Sonic Reverse
    Inverse Twisted Sonic
    Inverse Twisted Sonic Reverse

    eg. Moonwalk Sonic
    Moonwalk Sonic Normal
    Moonwalk Sonic Reverse
    Inverse Moonwalk Sonic Normal
    Inverse Moonwalk Sonic Reverse
    Pseudo Moonwalk Sonic Normal
    Pseudo Moonwalk Sonic Reverse
    Inverse Moonwalk Pseudo Sonic Normal
    Inverse Moonwalk Pseudo Sonic Reverse

  40. pen_MAKer
    Date: Tue, May 27 2008 11:33:25

    i think you should switch 5 with 4...o.O blink.gif

  41. Gwobbles
    Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 23:47:44

    thanks it helps alot ^^

  42. bigschlang31
    Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 17:28:04

    awesome....i love how it's oriented.... thankz

  43. sp3ctum
    Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 06:01:18

    Great list. smile.gif I remember when I started spinning, I would go and look at Kam's list to see my progression. It had these 'ultimate goals' to which I strived for smile.gif















    I don't know if you've noticed, but you misspelled pseudo sonic as psuedo sonic. Maybe you'll want to fix it in the next version, if you're gonna make more.

  44. dust_kid
    Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 08:38:01

    Ugh, I didn't notice, thanks.

    I dunno if I'm gonna make more, I don't know what to add next.

  45. dust_kid
    Date: Thu, Dec 11 2008 05:52:09

    *BUMP*

    I had some freetime today so I redid mine to make it more easily read and I changed some tricks that I have found from personal experience were incorrectly placed in the learning order.

  46. Ogarathe
    Date: Thu, Dec 11 2008 20:30:46

    Isn't Fake Double and Tornado the same thing...?

    http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=861 (Talks about Ext. TA, Tornado and Fake Double)

  47. dust_kid
    Date: Thu, Dec 11 2008 23:48:39

    That issue is kinda not resolved yet so I'm leaving it like this.

  48. shoeman6
    Date: Fri, Dec 12 2008 02:23:07

    Someone should design something where you click on that trick and up pops a video of the trick... so you can learn it if you dont know what it is...

  49. omega
    Date: Sun, Dec 14 2008 01:19:14

    ......I think it might help, Dusty. (Might. lol.)
    Thanks anyway.