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Philosophy / Pen spinning a form of meditation?
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Date: Thu, May 22 2008 23:45:22
Is pen spinning a form of meditation?
I say yes, when im spinning (especially hard tricks/combo) i sorta blank out. -
Date: Fri, May 23 2008 18:36:35
I've often seen a Pen as kind of a hip-hop rosary, so definately there's a meditative aspect to PS.
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Date: Sat, May 24 2008 02:33:06
Well, if you look at it that way, do you even know what meditation is? Meditation is when you have complete and udder control of your thoughts. And when meditating you are usually working towards a goal like growing a plant or something. This was roughly how it was explained to me once. So I say no blanking out is not meditation.
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Date: Sun, May 25 2008 02:19:45
It does get trance-like after a while.
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Date: Sun, May 25 2008 13:57:11QUOTE (Duckrus @ May 23 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, if you look at it that way, do you even know what meditation is? Meditation is when you have complete and udder control of your thoughts. And when meditating you are usually working towards a goal like growing a plant or something. This was roughly how it was explained to me once. So I say no blanking out is not meditation.
if you're extremely focused on controlling your pen, aren't you in control of your thoughts? -
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 16:37:19QUOTE (Zombo @ May 25 2008, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you're extremely focused on controlling your pen, aren't you in control of your thoughts?
I guess if you put it that way... yes? But then again I was more replying to zero's saying that he blanks out, blanking out is not meditation. Eh, even though you bring up that point I'm still not convinced that pen spinning could be a form of meditation. -
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 16:55:58
There's a misconception that meditation is about zoning out. This is mostly not true. Some meditation however, is about getting lost in a specific thought, and to a large extent, this is what pen spinning accomodates. The spinner's thoughts get lost in the pen, just as the monk's thoughts get lost in the rosary.
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Date: Mon, May 26 2008 18:52:58QUOTEPen spinning a form of meditation?
Manipulation != mediatation
So no. -
Date: Mon, May 26 2008 19:10:44
Meditation is not about control of your thoughts.
It's about clearing your mind to observe any thought that flows into your concious. Active passivity.
Penspinning could facilitate/inhibit meditation, depending on the person, but is not a form of meditation itself, unless you use it as such... I require complete stillness and relaxation of the body, but background noise helps me. -
Date: Mon, May 26 2008 20:21:23QUOTE (Retro-spectre @ May 26 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Meditation is not about control of your thoughts.
This is just not true. Meditation is exactly about controlling your thoughts.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/meditate
That can take different forms, including minimizing, or even eliminating altogether, different kinds of thoughts. Pen Spinning would certainly include this.
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Date: Tue, May 27 2008 00:43:44
I dun't think so, quite the oppisi for me, I ahve to concentrate everything I have and it' really fustrating sometimes... I think sitting down crosslegged and focusing on your breathing is more meditating than penspinning by thousands of times.
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Date: Fri, May 30 2008 07:50:17
no.
retro is rite. -
Date: Sat, May 31 2008 03:43:39
passive meditation?? hmm i guess
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Date: Sat, May 31 2008 04:17:33
I would say so. I find pen spinning very relaxing and it is calming for me lol
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Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 11:42:21
in my ow n perspective i do consider penspinning as a form of meditation.. kinda relaxes my inner thoughts and mental state while doing it
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Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 12:34:03
meditation does not make you zone out, in meditation, you clear your mind and you end up being more aware of your environment than normal. Its just like hypnosis is a method of inducing meditation or deep rest, and does not make somebody blank out and become your slave. FUCK HOLLYWOOD
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Date: Fri, Jul 4 2008 09:34:43
I would say it's not exactly meditation, but it isn't very far from it. It's relaxing, it's awarding, it is even soothing. But on the other hand I don't get that same conscious feeling when I'm pen spinning as I do when meditating.
Not that I meditate lol. I just pray
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Date: Fri, Jul 4 2008 19:41:27
who says meditation can't be ignorant bliss? (by that i mean: blank out and think nada)
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Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 05:16:18
In terms of phylosophy, penspinning is exploitable, you know, we can do metaphors and comparaisons, so yeah, we can medit to some things with penspinning.
And by the way, It may be relaxing.
Edit: the leader of Nirvana (the group) once said that the destruction of instruments was brigning him to nirvana. Is
brighing sfsr to nirvana? -
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 17:14:15
I cant think in anything when im doing pen spinning, i use it to evade from the bad things too...
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Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 19:47:45
Pen spinning makes me blank out too
I don't even concentrate on the pen -
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 20:06:09
no... ps gives me more stress lolol
That's just me though.
ARRRRRRRG I JUST DROPPED A ******* TA! -
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 10:43:04
yer id agree
when your trying really hard to learn a new trick especially a difficult one, you kind of space out and lose track of time and go into an almost trance like state where you focus on nothing but the pen
or at least thats what happens to me
lol