UPSB v3
Philosophy / New Concepts or New Advantages?
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 04:15:16
would it be morally right, to simply save new trick concepts (such as totally original trick) for when your doing a clip-battle against someone else (perhaps saving the trick for a few months before releasing it), or should trick be released immediately upon creation? Obviously this has been done before, and obviously some new trick concepts are used more often than others.....but I just don't know whether people would appreciate a trick more, after its used perfectly in a clip-battle or when its released as soon as its thought of.
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-please delete this topic if its already been created.QUOTE (sadi teh pirate @ Jun 5 2008, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well then i think this topic should be more oriented towards whether or not its better to either release the trick at an important clip-battle (risking having the trick being released before you, and losing credit for creating it), or release it as soon as you can perform it or even fully understand a concept that the trick could be created with.
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 04:18:31
It's your trick, choose whatever you'd want done with it.
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 04:21:09
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 04:28:11QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Jun 5 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's your trick, choose whatever you'd want done with it.
well then i think this topic should be more oriented towards whether or not its better to either release the trick at an important clip-battle (risking having the trick being released before you, and losing credit for creating it), or release it as soon as you can perform it or even fully understand a concept that the trick could be created with. -
Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 04:44:45
I usually make a Tag Collab including a combo with the trick :>
O and yeah I would wait for a important battle to release it. But basically you can't tell since it depends on the trick
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 14:17:59
i think everybody feel like they need to wait for a good opportunity for showing off a new trick. For instance, battlers on the old UPSB would save their new ideas for the Official Battles, ensuring each combo has at least one unique element to it.
but this can become excessive in the sense that you're waiting for much for the perfect opportunity you end up never using it. It's fine if you want to wait for a collab or a battle to use it, but make sure you at least show it someday.
the RD does palliate this problem a bit. Some ppl feel more comfortable showing off a trick in a private circle, so we get a lot more new tricks/concepts that we can review or revise before releasing.
in the end it doesnt really matter who invents what, as long as PS is progressing. -
Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 20:01:07
It's not really a moral issue because it doesn't have ethical implications. A moral issue would be more along the lines of: If someone discovers a cure for AIDS, is he/she obliged to share his/her information to help those who are infected? Pen spinning concepts fall under the category of intellectual property, which means the creator has exclusive rights to it upon invention. However, the moment he/she releases the concept to the public, it enters the public domain and the inventor has forfeited these rights. Whether or not the concept significantly benefits the community, the person is under no obligation or pressure to release their ideas, although the Internet is meant to encourage the sharing of information.
Should the spinner release the trick? Well, I certainly think so, because:
1. There's no way it can be detrimental to the community. The worst that can happen is that the community doesn't use it; but even if this is the case, it's still beneficial in that it may lead to perviously unconsidered ideas.
2. There are few rewards associated with possessing arcane knowledge of a trick. I think you'd want to earn some recognition and respect for your ingenuity.
3. If you don't release it, someone else can theoretically "discover" the same trick and release it before you, and you'd have no way of proving your discovery preceded theirs.
The manner in which the concept is released is, of course, up to the inventor. The former UPSB had an experimental zone (X-zone) where spinners could post their tricks and received informed opinions before deciding whether to release it to the rest of the community. I say 'informed' because you had to be an old-timer (100+ posts) to even access the sub-forum, and these people naturally knew more about spinning than newcomers. The rough equivalent at this forum is the Research Department, which encapsulates all new concepts, not only tricks and combos.
Releasing the trick in a battle or freestyle video can be effective so long as you do it properly. Kelvin's "Kamehameha" comes to mind. If he had released that separately, prior to the battle, his video would not have packed nearly as much punch. However, if your trick cannot be linked very well and would detract from rather than enhance a battle or freestyle video, then you may want to consider releasing it separately as a stand-alone trick and let others figure out how to incorporate it into combos.
Utlimately, it all depends on the intent of the creator and the nature of the concept. -
Date: Mon, Jun 9 2008 03:53:56
i say just try it out in video first, then based on peoples reactions then make a decision on whether to release a new trick or not.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9 2008 16:54:20
I created this trick called the Magic Reset and first showed it in the Spinners in Black collab, but I didn't get many positive, if any, feedback so I decided to not teach it. I didn't have any qualms about whether to show it or not, or whether it was the perfect time or not. Before I made that clip, I came up with it maybe a month before. I felt the need to show it in the very next collab I would be in.
A little off-topic, but I see some other applications of the Magic Reset done by some JEB members. I'm wondering if they came up with it independently. -
Date: Mon, Jun 9 2008 19:52:22
Do you have a video of it?
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Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 23:35:17
I think the most important thing, wether you choose to save the trick for later or get it out now, is, if it is good, that you keep on using it and develop it, and not just throw it out there and expect it to become a hit. You have show ppl how to use the trick. There are lots of good and creative tricks and hybrids out there, you just see once in a "Is this new?"-thread and then never gets used again. It's a shame.
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Date: Mon, Jun 16 2008 06:34:40
Hmmm. I feel that new tricks would actually help the community. As for whether it would be better to release it in a combo or as a new trick in itself would depend on the kind of trick. If its really awesome or something but hard to implement in a combo maybe you would be better off just posting it as a new trick. However if its like a ultility trick, using it in a combo would be the better choice.
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Date: Mon, Jun 16 2008 07:22:07
I think it would be perfectly alright if you saved new concepts for battles to get an edge. You aren't really interfering with any of my morals, if you made something you free to do what you want with it.
I do think that before releasing tricks you should be able to perform them competently, so you should be able to put them into combos no problem it is a convenient time to; it makes the battle more interesting seeing new concepts. If it is a trick difficult to put into combos and actually hinder you in terms of votes then release it by itself, or include it in a solo video. -
Date: Tue, Jun 17 2008 14:39:49
It might be safe to show off a new trick (that you think you MAY have created) in a battle and see if anyone notices it and asks about it. That would give the trick and yourself notoriety when people ask you what it was because it was cool enough to grab their attention.
I have a few tricks that i'm saving for that exact purpose.
A magician never reveals his tricks.....unless its to a hoarde of bloodthirsty pen spinning zombies who will eat your brains if you dont share your knowledge with them
personally, i'd rather save my own personal style rather than worry about getting credit for a few measly tricks that everyone else will end up using as fundamentals eventually. I think posting up a tutorial after the initial presentation is better.
Then again, the thing i think is cool about this sport(?)/art is that everyone involved really has the potential to contribute, by creating new mods, or by making tutorial videos, showing off their supreme skillz, even just offering advice..... Since its such a new thing, the potential for real participation is pretty big. -
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 16:05:40QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Jul 6 2008, 02:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah felt the urge to make another mod.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/i...n3/IMG_2409.jpg
Close-up of the front
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/i...n3/IMG_2410.jpg
Both of my MP NX MMTs
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/i...n3/IMG_2411.jpg
you are literally using my mp away aren't you.....
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Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 16:11:33
Well it's not really YOUR MP is it.. ._.
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Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 16:14:35QUOTE (Dimachka @ Jul 6 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well it's not really YOUR MP is it.. ._.
it is my mod with using the same materials
materials got leaked...not gunna say how....
but now personal mod just got out. without any permission and any crediting of me when posted -
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 16:24:36
Well it was bound to happen. Just like I have the grips that I use for my ballsign comssas.
Eventually someone will find them in stores and redistribute them to others. Didn't iamk34n3 find them in stores as well? -
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 17:35:20QUOTE (TEK @ Jul 6 2008, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it is my mod with using the same materials
materials got leaked...not gunna say how....
but now personal mod just got out. without any permission and any crediting of me when posted
Haha I'm sorry. If you wanted credit, you should just say so.
QUOTE (Dimachka @ Jul 6 2008, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well it was bound to happen. Just like I have the grips that I use for my ballsign comssas.
Eventually someone will find them in stores and redistribute them to others. Didn't iamk34n3 find them in stores as well?
There's only one store that sells them. The reason I figured it out was because I saw the Asian Garden Mall gathering video and saw the MPs. Yeah if I do remember correctly somebody leaked it tho. -
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 17:42:52
if its bound to happen then at least credit the person no matter what.
i think if you use someone elses work such as an outsert or insert or somthing not so common
mainsteem in our board, then you should credit them.
i use patricks insert a lot and im always sure to credit him. -
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 17:45:40
Ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.
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Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 17:56:39QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Jul 6 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.
yah sorry to be so crazy about it.
i just think if you use a persons work, such as patricks insert for example and you dont credit him.
and everone is like "wow nice insert" then it would making them think that you made it and taking
credit away form the person.
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Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 19:39:24QUOTEit is my mod with using the same materials
materials got leaked...not gunna say how....
but now personal mod just got out. without any permission and any crediting of me when posted
No offense man, there is always going to be somebody who will happen to figure out a certain pen works with what. What's the point of having a pen-mod that nobody else can figure out to make. I've always found it's absolutely ridiculous that someone has something new and innovative to bring to the table and doesn't just because they want people to idolize it or think your somebody special. I can't be the only one who thinks this is just plain fucken selfish. What does it do? It makes you seem better than other spinners. This does not say anything about your ability to spin or mod, I think that If this community is going to grow, then release some of the crap and get rid of the happy go lucky I HAVE A BETTER PEN THAN YOU THAT ONLY I CAN MAKE!!! mindset. Absolutely a bunch of bollocks.
Open-Source World man.
Seriously, If you haven't released a pen mod that you constantly flaunt, then somebody figures it out and releases it, they will get credit. People figure things out. Go figure.
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Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 00:22:22QUOTE (iMatt @ Jul 6 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No offense man, there is always going to be somebody who will happen to figure out a certain pen works with what. What's the point of having a pen-mod that nobody else can figure out to make. I've always found it's absolutely ridiculous that someone has something new and innovative to bring to the table and doesn't just because they want people to idolize it or think your somebody special. I can't be the only one who thinks this is just plain fucken selfish. What does it do? It makes you seem better than other spinners. This does not say anything about your ability to spin or mod, I think that If this community is going to grow, then release some of the crap and get rid of the happy go lucky I HAVE A BETTER PEN THAN YOU THAT ONLY I CAN MAKE!!! mindset. Absolutely a bunch of bollocks.
Open-Source World man.
Seriously, If you haven't released a pen mod that you constantly flaunt, then somebody figures it out and releases it, they will get credit. People figure things out. Go figure.
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lol are you serious matt...
i havn't ever kept a secret of any of my mods excpet for this one. i have told you guys everything
i have giving out soo many outserts and have helped a bunch of people by making tutorials and what not.
if i was selfish then why would i even release anything at all
did i ever say i was mad that he made it or anything? all i said was if he makes it, at least credit the person.
and why are you even saying this to me...why dont you say that to k4s...does he have led mods that he doesn't wish to show
or he has that one mod on his page that he doesn't wish to show (i forgot the name). why dont you say anything about that?
(no offence k4s, im just giving and example)
and i remember talking to you about ur msxa. you told me that you where using a p205 tip somewhere, and i asked you
where? and you told me...that you will never know...thats kinda being selfish...ya?
i never said anything about not making the mod..
you know how the "rules" are with new mods. they say to post a picture of the mod first to see if people like it and ask for a tut
then you know that it is worth a tut. but what if someone knew out to make it then and posted the tut before the acutall creater? does that mean its their mod huh? -
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 00:33:35
i cant wait for my new pens
QUOTE (TEK @ Jul 6 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol are you serious matt...
i havn't ever kept a secret of any of my mods excpet for this one. i have told you guys everything
i have giving out soo many outserts and have helped a bunch of people by making tutorials and what not.
if i was selfish then why would i even release anything at all
did i ever say i was mad that he made it or anything? all i said was if he makes it, at least credit the person.
and why are you even saying this to me...why dont you say that to k4s...does he have led mods that he doesn't wish to show
or he has that one mod on his page that he doesn't wish to show (i forgot the name). why dont you say anything about that?
(no offence k4s, im just giving and example)
and i remember talking to you about ur msxa. you told me that you where using a p205 tip somewhere, and i asked you
where? and you told me...that you will never know...thats kinda being selfish...ya?
i never said anything about not making the mod..
you know how the "rules" are with new mods. they say to post a picture of the mod first to see if people like it and ask for a tut
then you know that it is worth a tut. but what if someone knew out to make it then and posted the tut before the acutall creater? does that mean its their mod huh?
i dont mean to demolish the rant with imatt, but im with tek on thi one. first off, is this about the mp nx mmt's? but yaeh. im with tek on this one. im sorry imatt, but he should get credit. tek never said that he was upset that he made it. he simply said that he thinks he deserves credit for the mod HE made.QUOTEit is my mod with using the same materialsthats all.
materials got leaked...not gunna say how....
but now personal mod just got out. without any permission and any crediting of me when posted -
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 00:48:08
lolol
reason k4s doesn't show led cause he's trying to make a dope phail-proof mod. either way we can't get the mod off him anyway?
anyway, people will be bound to bite shit all the time, and if they don't want to credit, we can't stop them. but yeah, the only reason would probably give you any credit is the fact that you release new things that people like to use XD
anywhoooooooooooo big up to K4S for making a tut on 'retractable flexible mx'
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Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 00:52:29QUOTE (Onyx-o7 @ Jul 6 2008, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>IMATT FTW!! We're all off topic now LOL. TEK is going down by IMATT
no i think TEK has a point he has helped alot of people (even me) and he never did say he was upset and i think when someone wants to keep his personal mod a secret i think people should repect that if someone makes some elses personal mod and dosnt even give the orignial creator some credit that person deverses to be
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Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 00:54:20
What if you have the same idea on a pen or mp and didnt know that it was used by sum1 else would it count as taking credit if you posted it later but in a different form? and had no help from the other person whatso ever?
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Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 00:58:22QUOTE (Kuma @ Jul 6 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What if you have the same idea on a pen or mp and didnt know that it was used by sum1 else would it count as taking credit if you posted it later but in a different form? and had no help from the other person whatso ever?
to take that away before u make the pen u ask if it has been made before
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Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 01:22:41QUOTE (Kuma @ Jul 6 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What if you have the same idea on a pen or mp and didnt know that it was used by sum1 else would it count as taking credit if you posted it later but in a different form? and had no help from the other person whatso ever?
that does happen often...
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Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 01:33:01QUOTE (TEK @ Jul 6 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that does happen often...
i think its just the matter of whoever makes it first and posts it first...
well i gess that would work too
but some people would get really mad
like if u post it first then someone else posts it like 10 seconds later, they'll get into a huge argument. i remember this happening once, but i forgot the thread about it -
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 03:28:34QUOTE (TEK @ Jul 6 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that does happen often...
i think its just the matter of whoever makes it first and posts it first...
Even if someone else posted the mod before them in the Show Off Your Pens thread, without posting a tutorial on how to make it, I don't think the person would have to give credit to them if they came up with the mod all on their own. I think they should acknowledge the fact that it was shown by the first poster, but if the first poster didn't release a tutorial on how to make it, the person would not have to give the original poster any credit. This way there is somewhat multiple creators. With tricks (which this thread was originally about) it's totally different because you can see the trick and instantly see how it's done. With a mod you only see the face plate, and the innards are concealed by the body/inserts/outserts.
That is only if they found out on their own how to create the mod. However your case is totally different since your techniques "leaked out" to everybody so they did not come up with the idea separately on their own.
Do you agree?
Edit: Showing your pen without showing how its made is like saying you have a new trick without showing it... unless the pen's mechanics are very obvious like a comssa for example. -
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 15:14:04QUOTE (iMatt @ Jul 6 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that If this community is going to grow, then release some of the crap and get rid of the happy go lucky I HAVE A BETTER PEN THAN YOU THAT ONLY I CAN MAKE!!! mindset. Absolutely a bunch of bollocks.
Open-Source World man.
I agree with you about this...but how much would it suck to find out that that really sweet LED pen, so and so made, is really a piece of junk made from some cereal spoons dug out of a box of apple jacks and all full of superglue and toothpicks, that it only works until the batteries run out and there is no way to replace them.
My only point is that perhaps its the red pill vs the blue pill, and sometimes its better not to know. In that case i'd rather have someone post pictures of their sweet LED mod, rather than their crappy non working LED tut.
True recognition comes from constant involvement within this strange community but props can go to whoever woo's the crowd. The first person who posts a really nice working LED mod is going to get huge props and a lot of recognition. -
Date: Tue, Jul 8 2008 00:21:16QUOTEi dont mean to demolish the rant with imatt, but im with tek on thi one. first off, is this about the mp nx mmt's? but yaeh. im with tek on this one. im sorry imatt, but he should get credit. tek never said that he was upset that he made it. he simply said that he thinks he deserves credit for the mod HE made.
By the way Tek wrote his comment, It suggested that he wasn't happy that his personal mod was released without consent. My thought was, Tek never officially released the tutorial, but the materials were leaked. Unless they blatantly say THIS IS SO AND SO's METHOD, no real credit can be issued, it just becomes another MP mod. I'll use the example of my Hybrid N3 mod (I'll be releasing in the next few weeks quite possibly). If someone creates a mod that looks a lot like mine but doesn't declare it uses exactly THESE parts, I can't say that's my mod. You see where I'm going? If you want credit for a mod, you need to have a formal release for it. That's the risk of posting personal mods.QUOTE (TEK @ Jul 6 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol are you serious matt...
i havn't ever kept a secret of any of my mods excpet for this one. i have told you guys everything
i have giving out soo many outserts and have helped a bunch of people by making tutorials and what not.
if i was selfish then why would i even release anything at all
Dude, its not just you, you just happened to be the person I decided to pick on ( I apologize if it comes across as bashing)
The insert issue, well look at this way, on a number of your mods you did the PDS v.13 outserts/inserts but for a good while you didn't really tell people where they could get it or release it to the community. Only after I redid one that somebody posted did you post yours. Does that not seem like that's trying to 1up me? Could've been coincidental, but just very odd.
The main reason you got picked on for my rant was for the number of times you show off your mods. When you put out pictures of your best of the best mods, people become instant fanboys if your good. I'm not saying that being recognized for good work is a bad thing, it has an influence on newcomers and others. You may not notice it, but I certainly do. When you post a number of pens or a crazy mods that no one has, it gives the on-lookers a mindset of, " If I create a new mod I'll be recognized!" The trouble is that half the new mods are usually put together for the sake of being recognized. (there hasn't been too much mod-spam lately, Thank god
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I just dislike flaunting, because it gives the vibe of I'm better than you, it may be unintentional, but it's still there nonetheless. There's quite a number of people who post stuff daily just for the sake of showing it off, what I want to see are mods that innovative, different, and above all explain. If you want to have a personal mod, fine, don't post it if you don't it to be leaked. Sneaky people who are good at modding can disassemble the pen via picture, I can do that sometimes. Thats all I have to say about that.QUOTEdid i ever say i was mad that he made it or anything? all i said was if he makes it, at least credit the person.
and why are you even saying this to me...why dont you say that to k4s...does he have led mods that he doesn't wish to show
or he has that one mod on his page that he doesn't wish to show (i forgot the name). why dont you say anything about that?
(no offence k4s, im just giving and example)
From what've I talked to him about, he says the process is just plain out complicated, he said he wants to simplify the process before it gets formally released.
(his mod is the K-MF btw) As I discussed above, he's doing what I recommend, if your going to have a personal mod, DON'T FLAUNT IT and risk somebody who can reverse engineer it visually.QUOTEShowing your pen without showing how its made is like saying you have a new trick without showing it... unless the pen's mechanics are very obvious like a comssa for example.
That's how I see it, If you want new things to innovate, pen mods need to be explained.QUOTEthen you know that it is worth a tut. but what if someone knew out to make it then and posted the tut before the acutall creater? does that mean its their mod huh?
Technically yes. Unless you elaborate and prove that you made this first, others have that ability.
Remember the argument concerning the F-301x and the m-301x mods. I can't remember the spinners name, Trevor possibly (?) blamed K4S for stealing his method of make the pen/pencil. Except he never released the mod, K4S just happened to figure out how to make the same pen/pencil. K4S released it, and K4S gets the status of creator of the m-301x.
SIDE NOTE***
One version of my msxas you cut out the front of the comSSa cap, then put the HGG on the p205 tip then cut off the tip, just use a bit of glue, you now have the weight of a 4 Tip MSXA with the look of just a single tip. XD -
Date: Tue, Jul 8 2008 01:02:33QUOTEBy the way Tek wrote his comment, It suggested that he wasn't happy that his personal mod was released without consent. My thought was, Tek never officially released the tutorial, but the materials were leaked. Unless they blatantly say THIS IS SO AND SO's METHOD, no real credit can be issued, it just becomes another MP mod. I'll use the example of my Hybrid N3 mod (I'll be releasing in the next few weeks quite possibly). If someone creates a mod that looks a lot like mine but doesn't declare it uses exactly THESE parts, I can't say that's my mod. You see where I'm going? If you want credit for a mod, you need to have a formal release for it. That's the risk of posting personal mods.
well of corse im not that happy that someone has it. but i think if you can do it, then go ahead and do it. if you cant then you cant. but all i was trying to say was to credit. and i know i didn't ever come up with the tutorial. i never said it was my mod. i said it was my mp. people dont make tutorials on what new pens they discover. and if you ask anyone that knows about that mp, im sure they know that i found it.QUOTEThe insert issue, well look at this way, on a number of your mods you did the PDS v.13 outserts/inserts but for a good while you didn't really tell people where they could get it or release it to the community. Only after I redid one that somebody posted did you post yours. Does that not seem like that's trying to 1up me? Could've been coincidental, but just very odd.
haha um no...
i have been giving that outsert away to people i know so i wasn't just saving it all to myself...you can tell cuz chau tran posted pictures of the same outsert before i released it.
and once you have came up with something new, i think its right to show it off first to get some recognition for it before you release it. thats just me. thats what i do with everything i have.
why i took so long to release the outsert tho was because i first had to show how to make the mod (cyon mod)
then i had to show how to put inserts on which i did.
and last i needed to resize, change up colors, ect for the outserts/inserts
then release...
all urs was, was a fix up of the outsert.
i had a lot more to do then just that..QUOTEThe main reason you got picked on for my rant was for the number of times you show off your mods. When you put out pictures of your best of the best mods, people become instant fanboys if your good. I'm not saying that being recognized for good work is a bad thing, it has an influence on newcomers and others. You may not notice it, but I certainly do. When you post a number of pens or a crazy mods that no one has, it gives the on-lookers a mindset of, " If I create a new mod I'll be recognized!" The trouble is that half the new mods are usually put together for the sake of being recognized. (there hasn't been too much mod-spam lately, Thank god )
I just dislike flaunting, because it gives the vibe of I'm better than you, it may be unintentional, but it's still there nonetheless. There's quite a number of people who post stuff daily just for the sake of showing it off, what I want to see are mods that innovative, different, and above all explain. If you want to have a personal mod, fine, don't post it if you don't it to be leaked. Sneaky people who are good at modding can disassemble the pen via picture, I can do that sometimes. Thats all I have to say about that.
if you want to see flaunting, why dont you go after people that post large amounts of pens (not saying its a bad thing)...if you haven't read, its called "show off your pens"
but i never flaunt...i have never said my pens are better then anyone else. why dont you say that to everyone that posts in the show off your pens thread then? why am i the only one that is blamed. is it cuz you think mine are better then the others? is it my fault that you think my pens are any different from another person that shows off thier pens in that thread? if i flaunt then thats what you think. i dont post my pens for people to think of me as super duper. i just post it to show it to the
people that are interested. i wouldn't make my mods just to show it off, that is a total waste of 3 hours on a pen. i make it cuz i love to make pens.
and im not trying to argue about what im about to say or anything. i have said that if you can make it, go ahead JUST GIVE THE CREDIT
it was my fault for having it leaked out. im not mad at anyone that has made it(just saying that cuz thats what you are going off of).
but what im trying to say about what you said "If you want to have a personal mod, fine, don't post it if you don't it to be leaked." mine im sure would have never been figured out if i didn't tell anyone about it but just showed the picture. im sure of that because it uses pens that have no name and no one would have been able to find it if i never told them where i got it. but it was my fault for saying
all i was saying is to credit. thats it.QUOTEOne version of my msxas you cut out the front of the comSSa cap, then put the HGG on the p205 tip then cut off the tip, just use a bit of glue, you now have the weight of a 4 Tip MSXA with the look of just a single tip. XD
yah now you tell me after you have made this big ordeal of corse...what i remember is you keeping it is secret.
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Date: Tue, Jul 8 2008 01:26:54
It's respectful to show who gave you your "idea." Why do you think there are patants, to get people to know that this was not your idea (and for the $$ they rake in). However, in pen spinning....there are no patants. And thats why its respectful and admirable if you say "hey look, I didnt make this mod. "so-and-so" made it and now this is my version.
I agree with what Imatt said in saying "i dont like flaunting, it gives the vibe of im better then you (etc.)" because in a lot of cases thats true.
However.....you have to admit that everyone (no, "most people") likes the feeling of people admiring there stuff. Thats why there are +300 pages on "show off your pens" and why people say "please comment." Its nice to have people admire your stuff. -
Date: Tue, Jul 8 2008 01:32:46QUOTEI agree with what Imatt said in saying "i dont like flaunting, it gives the vibe of im better then you (etc.)" because in a lot of cases thats true.
yah i dont see why my pens are any different from anyone elses pens. why not bash on the whole thread matt. why are my pens the only one being flaunted. i usually never even say anything
when i post a new mod unless i give credit to someone or answer a question. flaunting would be like, hey guys look at my sexy new pen. mine is soooo much better looking then "so and so's" version. -
Date: Tue, Jul 8 2008 01:43:56QUOTE (TEK @ Jul 7 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yah i dont see why my pens are any different from anyone elses pens. why not bash on the whole thread matt. why are my pens the only one being flaunted. i usually never even say anything
when i post a new mod unless i give credit to someone or answer a question. flaunting would be like, hey guys look at my sexy new pen. mine is soooo much better looking then "so and so's" version.
So true! He's always cited the inspiration for his mods from Saizen to Guitrum's G2-CTE V.2!
TEK, keep modding. It's YOUR creation, though.
No one should force you to spill your secrets. -
Date: Tue, Jul 8 2008 01:48:28
btw, Tek, I did rant on the MASS hordes of pen modding,
http://www.upsb.info/forum/blog/imatt/inde...p?showentry=300
that was another story. -
Date: Tue, Jul 8 2008 14:53:52
I think you can save ur new trick for a collab/battle, for better effect... =D
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Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 03:40:52QUOTE (iMatt @ Jul 7 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>btw, Tek, I did rant on the MASS hordes of pen modding,
http://www.upsb.info/forum/blog/imatt/inde...p?showentry=300
that was another story.
lol matt
i think this is all BS...
you do the same thing man.
remember on mebeam...
someone was talking about comssas..
and then you said "did someone say comssa?"
and then you showed ur 4 boxes of comssas...
i remember that clearly...yah matt...yahh.......... -
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 03:46:36QUOTE (iMatt @ Jul 7 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>btw, Tek, I did rant on the MASS hordes of pen modding,
http://www.upsb.info/forum/blog/imatt/inde...p?showentry=300
that was another story.
Haha, way to advertise in a serious thread.
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Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 06:27:21QUOTE (nateiskewl @ Jul 8 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Haha, way to advertise in a serious thread.
More of a reference. But w/e, I have my opinions, Tek has his, i'm not gonna waste anymore time on this. If you guys don't like what say, don't read it lol. If you want to bash me, go for it, i dont really care. -
Date: Thu, Jul 10 2008 00:30:08
tek didnt seem upset that someone else made it, he was upset because he posted it with no credit, thus presenting it as his own
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 03:51:14
There is an actual working LED mod by Golfzabemix from THPSCB
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 12:30:13
I find no use in not keeping it....and its not like everyone's gonna create tricks every other day.
