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General Discussion / Reaching an individual limit as a penspinner
Quitting because of it, or reaching it because you quit
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 21:31:33
Often people reach a point where they stop developing in penspinning. Often, they quit around that time. Now, do they quit because they've reached their personal limit for how good they can get and thus tire of spinning, or do they stop developing because they've tired of it and think of quitting?
I'm not sure, but I believe that people stop developing at the point when they tire of spinning, and thus end up quitting altogether. -
Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 21:41:31
ppl can quit for two reasons:
1) no more time
2) got bored. To get bored means you think you either saw everything PS has to offer or achieved your own limit. However, in most cases, it's because the person didn't scratch hard enough. The only way you can stay motivated in pen spinning for several years is because you're looking beyond what Pen Spinning has to offer currently. In other words, you're not just watching what others are doing, you're trying to bring something new or raise standards of PS.
For example: I see so many possibilities in PS that are not yet realized, so I know we can do better. Another way would be to raise the standards for smoothness / difficulty. Or continually improving the quality of mods. Or create new events/activities. in pen spinning that havent been done. -
Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 21:46:13
I think they stop improving because they don't learn new things, which like Zombo said is because they aren't trying hard enough. Since they don't improve they reach their "peak" and thus get bored and quit.
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 23:32:30
i don't think there is such thing as a 'peak' in pen spinning. people think there is and quit. but not me, im spinning until im good as erior
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Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 02:14:13QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Jun 5 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i don't think there is such thing as a 'peak' in pen spinning. people think there is and quit. but not me, im spinning until im good as erior
Well doesnt that mean you will just quit then once you do? BTW its Eriror
Whoa you scared me for a second Sfsr I thought you said you were quiting for the first sentence. Any way yea it sucks that people would quit because they think that it can't be pushed any more but I say let them. If they think bout PS that way then they should quit, they aren't providing anything constructive and shouldn't be here. -
Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 11:56:47
What I see me doing after reached a "peak" in spinning, master every styles, speeds, creativity levels, then master a relative good spin with unmodded pens, in order to spin without seeing people say "yo what's that huge pen?"
See, after feeliong I can't get better with a Grip Aviaire, I will master the RSVP MX, wich is really lighter, thus hard to spin. After it would be the BICtorys, hten things like that.
One thing a "peaked" spinner could do is learn with his "minor" hand.
If I ever reach the limit where I cannot improve more with almost every mods, where I master all the new concepts, all the styles with both hands, maybe I'l quit "official" spinning, but for sure I'l continue spinning 4 fun.
Penspinning 4 ever
Stay'n Alive
Edit: I forgot one thing: inventing! Sure if I reach such a peak, I'l try to find new spin concepts. -
Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 12:45:19
No one can say that they have reached a limit until they can do i-sonic like Bonkura can.
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Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 17:16:24
We see pen spinning as an Art, a Sports.
I don't think there is such thing called a peak for that. You see, those who are ranked number 1 of the world in whatever sports they are playing, why do they still continue training every single day and trying to improve themselves? Same goes to pen spinning.
Just like other sports, when you reached so called a peak, it will get more and more harder for you to improve. Some people like the challenge, some people just gave up. I think maybe that's why people quited, cos they got bored of not improving. -
Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 17:33:39
I'm not talking about a general peak, I'm talking about an individual limit. Are you sure you yourself could achieve all the things you speak of? Can anyone really learn anything? (not aimed at anyone specifically, just at everyone who reads it)
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Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 18:08:08
Hmm... one example, I was into sales some time ago. Starting I was satisfied with the improvement I have made each day. And I was really happy and feeling really great about it too.
But slowly, I have come to a point whereby so called I reached my personal peak of the sales I am able to make per day. No matter how hard I tried, it just doesn't improve. Slowly, I sort of get bored with this job and I quited.
There is a saying, " The day you stop learning is the day you stop improving."
Maybe I was lack of resources to learn from when doing my sales. -
Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 19:02:21QUOTE (Sfsr @ Jun 6 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm not talking about a general peak, I'm talking about an individual limit. Are you sure you yourself could achieve all the things you speak of? Can anyone really learn anything? (not aimed at anyone specifically, just at everyone who reads it)
I am not sure of this but I think that if I put forth the effort and time I think that I could learn whatever I wanted. There is one thing that might prevent me from further progressing like physical limitations. That may be something like flexbitlity cause my finger are not flexible at all.
But even if I were to peak I think I would continue to spin cause it is fun. -
Date: Sat, Jun 7 2008 02:00:58
I guess I fit with Zombo's #2 reason. I still spin pens, but only when I'm actually using a pen / pencil.
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Date: Sat, Jun 7 2008 03:16:41
Well....i guess....the limit is when you've mastered every single thing there is to master of pen spinning....
in my case...i'm focusing on style...and i have a surprise to show you guys later -
Date: Sat, Jun 7 2008 11:09:35
I guess it would up to the indivdual then, he can choose to continue spinning for personal interest, or to stop spinning due to boredom etc.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11 2008 20:50:07
Ive seen that happen to some people.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11 2008 21:03:18
There are also those people who go around looking for hobbies and then give them up a few days later. So they see penspinning join the board make a couple of posts and then see something they think is cooler so they give penspinning up.
So I don't think they ever really had a personal limit because they were not really interested in learning pen spinning. -
Date: Thu, Jun 12 2008 02:36:47
I pen spin for the purpose of fidgeting and will quit when there is no time or place to fidget, in other words NEVER.
I try not to think of pen spinning as more than something to keep my hands busy so that I never think about limits.
If I ever did quit it would be because I got old enough it made me look immature to still be fidgeting. -
Date: Thu, Jun 12 2008 08:04:01
This somewhat goes into the Nature / nurture topic. I mean, am I really able to become any better than I am now? Just as an example.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 03:41:54
i dont think there's a so called limitation in pen spinning as long as youre active in doing it you'll grow into a better spinner.
on the other hand, the posibilities of a spinner stop spinning or as described by sfsr "reached his limit" is infinite. a thousand reason is at hand you knw... well that's my pov -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 05:08:11QUOTE (Sfsr @ Jun 12 2008, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This somewhat goes into the Nature / nurture topic. I mean, am I really able to become any better than I am now? Just as an example.
such a vague question. there's no valid definition of better, since improvement can go in many directions. evne if you think you've mastered a certain style, you can try and change it or explore different ideas -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 07:54:27
There is always room for improvement.
I have been training in Karate for 9, almost 10 years now. And if there is 1 thing that I've learned from it is that you can always do faster, stronger better.
Same thing goes for everything there is in the world. Mastering is realy a hard thing to define if you're talking about to the point of which you can no longer improve. Even by practicing Pen Spinning occasionally and not learning any tricks you will still improve- doing tricks faster more smoothe.
So a peak or a point where a person can no longer improve himself doesn't excist, there is always room for improvement- you just have to want it in order to improve yourself.