UPSB v3
General Discussion / Weighting System
What Weight do you Spin?
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 04:58:41
I don't know if anyone's thought of this before, but we should have some sort of weight class system for pens that can be used in battles or other references. This is because the lighter the pen is, the harder it is to do a smooth trick based on the fact that you don't have as much momentum and yet pushing the pen harder only makes it fly out of control.
I propose that pens under 8 grams be considered ultra-lightweight
Between 8 and 12 grams is lightweight
between 12 and 16 is middleweight
between 17 and 20 is heavy-weight
between 20 and 25 is ultra-heavyweight... and
over 25 grams would be super-heavyweight
What do you think? -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 05:03:38
yes, it was thought of before, but nobody gave a concrete system, and rather than classifying by weight, it should be classified by "list" of pens. (Liek you group pens of the same class together) where weight is one of the factors.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 05:25:25
I use a signo tipped comssa which would probably classify it as a middleweight comssa mod.
While i can see how a weight system might be used for battles it still depends on how honest each spinner is. I could easily double the weight of a comssa yet you wouldnt see it from the outside so i could be a jackass and lie and say lightweight when its actually a super-heavyweight. And having people weight out their pens at the beginning of videos is just not going to happen. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 05:39:41
some people have no way to weigh their pens...
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 06:02:15
i'm using middleweight n ultra-heavyweight.
using heavy pen is easier to spin thumbspin -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 07:23:01
I spin anywhere from ultra lightweight to middleweight.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 07:31:06
Oddly enough Iam spinning a lightweight, if u consider a ballsign mod with commsa caps lightweight.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 08:36:57
how the hell do you even weigh ur penz?
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 10:29:26
Never been able to weight any of my pen... but I guess I'm a middle/heavy-weight spinner.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 10:54:52QUOTE (WhiteFang @ Sep 16 2007, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how the hell do you even weigh ur penz?
I have an old letter scale.
I'm using middle and heavy-weight pens -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 11:20:09
i would say i spin a light weight to heavy-weight
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 11:29:15
A weighting system seems like a length system - Not needed.
The only reason these kind of systems are used in things such as say, boxing, is for competition purposes, to ensure that boxers of the same weight class fight each other. Unless we were to want to introduce only pens of certain classes being used against each other (which I think almost everyone would be against), we don't need any such systems, and we can just quote the exacts. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 13:02:38QUOTE (cyber penguin @ Sep 16 2007, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't know if anyone's thought of this before, but we should have some sort of weight class system for pens that can be used in battles or other references. This is because the lighter the pen is, the harder it is to do a smooth trick based on the fact that you don't have as much momentum and yet pushing the pen harder only makes it fly out of control.
I disagree that a lighter instrument is more difficult to spin than a weightier one. A Dr. Grip is heavier than a Computer Sign Pen (double-capped, gripped), but many would agree that the Dr. Grip is more difficult to spin. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 14:09:00
that's because dr.grip has a horrible shape...
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 15:41:50
I spin ballsigns and MXs
So It's like, lightweight and middleweight ? -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 15:52:29
Between ultra low weight to middle weight
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 17:04:02QUOTE (cyber penguin @ Sep 15 2007, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is because the lighter the pen is, the harder it is to do a smooth trick based on the fact that you don't have as much momentum and yet pushing the pen harder only makes it fly out of control.
Not true at all. People who don't do alot of arounds and use neobaks frequently choose the lighter pen because it is less stress on their hands. Spinning a pen like a Dr. KT puts stress on your hand, which makes it harder to build up speed, but much easier to keep a constant speed.
I like spinning all of my pens. My lightest one being my ungripped bictory with no inktubes inside, which I use to practice sometimes. But, normally I spin heavier pens, from the weight of an MX to a Dr. KT. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 18:20:50QUOTE (thig @ Sep 16 2007, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I disagree that a lighter instrument is more difficult to spin than a weightier one. A Dr. Grip is heavier than a Computer Sign Pen (double-capped, gripped), but many would agree that the Dr. Grip is more difficult to spin.
You have a point that some pens are exceptions, but I'm going on the presumption that all pens are pretty much cylindrical in shape with no odd weight distributions. For example, a pen that is a heavy-weight would be very hard to spin if all its mass was in one end. Hell, you'd never even pull of a TA. -
Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 02:47:07
How heavy is an MX?
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 03:24:02
my MX is considered a heavy-weight because I use a large metal tip and some other stuff that adds mass, but I think many would be considered middle-weight.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 03:38:51QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 16 2007, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that's because dr.grip has a horrible shape...
This is why we can have weight classing system. You cant compare a huge deformed pen with a small perfectly cylinder pen that weigh the same. -
Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 21:58:41QUOTE (thig @ Sep 16 2007, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I disagree that a lighter instrument is more difficult to spin than a weightier one. A Dr. Grip is heavier than a Computer Sign Pen (double-capped, gripped), but many would agree that the Dr. Grip is more difficult to spin.
Doesn't it depend on the person who is spinning what they prefer? What if someone who is good with a light pen wants to battle a person with a heavy pen? He or she would be handicapped just because their pen. -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 04:12:59
If you're truly good with a light pen you can do anything, see bonkura using ballsign mod for triangle pass, fake double variations, fingerpass, cont. midbak, etc.
I think I can make a combo better with a light pen i can can control more (less inertia) than with a dr. kt, because i really know the tricks & i can do them with any pen. MX is really good for this & so is dr. grip. -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 04:50:17QUOTE (Chungy @ Sep 16 2007, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How heavy is an MX?
To my knowledge, it's around 12 grams
Anyways, I spin middle weight and heavy weight. -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 04:58:50
I spin 3000*F but any weight does not matter.
Don't know the grams. . .