UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Wrench Sonic
new trick?
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 21:58:47
I'm not quite sure if this is a new trick or not, I'm just assuming that it is. If it's a new trick, I'd like to call it the Wrench sonic...
Here's a video of it!
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:06:44
It's a combo or hybrid, not a new trick (was rather too difficult to make out exactly what you did in the video for me I'm afraid). The name 'Wrench Sonic' would also not follow any of the naming conventions that have been laid down for ease of naming tricks.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:08:58
I think it's a hybrid; something like Sonic 23-12 ~> Index Around Reverse 13-T12 - not really sure though
Looks cool though -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:09:08
Well it's definetly not a combo. And the name is quite easy, considering you "wrench" over the pen.
I'll rename it then, to a new "hybrid". -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:13:18
it seems like a sonic clip ~> korean backaround (well..or ia rev i guess too =\ )
it's not really a new trick, just a new hybrid which doesn't need a new name -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:13:28QUOTE (tjugge @ Jun 13 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well it's definetly not a combo. And the name is quite easy, considering you "wrench" over the pen.
Take a look at this trick list. Imagine if every trick on that list, rather than following any kind of convention, was just given a name based upon a noun, chosen by the creator of the trick. There would be far too many tricks to remember the names of them all! One would have to take time out to study just to recall the names of tricks!
That said, this is simply a hybrid and so will not require a name. -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:17:54
Okay : /... I guess it's not a new trick then, just thought it would be cool to have your own trick O.o
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:20:21QUOTE (tjugge @ Jun 13 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Okay : /... I guess it's not a new trick then, just thought it would be cool to have your own trick O.o
Do not let us discourage you trying! Keep at it and you might just make a never-before seen trick!
I should be said that a new hybrid isn't a bad start...
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:22:32
Im not really aware of any of the laid down rules for naming tricks or hybrids which you speak of, perhaps you could help me with that?
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:32:53QUOTE (tjugge @ Jun 13 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Okay : /... I guess it's not a new trick then, just thought it would be cool to have your own trick O.o
Even tho its not anything new, doesn't mean it can't be your signature trick!
Keep trying, one good idea could lead to another one. -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:33:33QUOTEIm not really aware of any of the laid down rules for naming tricks or hybrids which you speak of, perhaps you could help me with that?
Try reading through these pages:
Full trick naming convention
Hybrid
Interrupted trick notation
Those three threads are probably the ones that will give you a near complete understanding of all currently used naming conventions. Further reading is available here.
There is much information on the wiki, mostly thanks to the efforts of sketching it would seem.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:33:48
I just see a Sonic 23-13 > Wiper 13 > Neosonic 13-T1... (or Indexaround reverse 0.5)
But that's a good way to use wipers -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:40:41QUOTE (Owumaro @ Jun 14 2008, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I just see a Sonic 23-13 > Wiper 13 > Neosonic 13-T1... (or Indexaround reverse 0.5)
But that's a good way to use wipers
I'd say it's half a Sonic 23-13 > Wiper 13 > Korean bak or Indexaround
Alright, i read trought the Interrupted Trick Notation, and I think i got a correct "name" now.
Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.5]~ Wiper 13 [s 1.0]~ Korean Bak [s 1.0][c]
[p] stands for push, [c] stands for catch. -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:53:58
^ dont double post, edit your old post
it's sonic ~ wiper ~ indexaround rev 0.5. that's all it need be referred to as.
it isnt a bak because it isnt 12-12, it's 12-T1 -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 22:56:01
Oh, sorry
Well it might as well be a korean bak, you could easily do it 12-12 -
Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 23:21:49
Hybrids = not named.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13 2008 23:27:18QUOTE (ToastyRage @ Jun 13 2008, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hybrids = not named.
This is not entirely true... There is a large section of named hybrids towards the bottom of the trick list on the wiki. It seems that many hybrids that are commonly used have been named. -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 00:11:13
Generally any new hybrids are not named. (flush sonic was an exception) It just causes too much confusion and your hybrid likely wont be used often enough for people to become familiar with the name. Just use hybrid notation. The named hybrids only exist because they were created before hybrid notation.(again there are a few exceptions)
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Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 01:21:01QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jun 13 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>^ dont double post, edit your old post
it's sonic ~ wiper ~ indexaround rev 0.5. that's all it need be referred to as.
it isnt a bak because it isnt 12-12, it's 12-T1
Baks can be caught in T1... -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 05:21:55
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with:
Sonic Clip 23-13 [1.0] ~> Wiper 13 (fold 2-Finger up, catch 12) -> Korean BackAround 12-12
Does anyone else find this painfully awkward to do?
I think this Hybrid is useless, no offense as it seems to sacrifice fluidity for complexity...
I say just stick with Sonic Clip 23-12 -> Korean BackAround 12-12. -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 06:28:32
Fresh, those are old hybrids that used to be named before the concept of hybrids was accepted. Those hybrids were named as if they were individual tricks because that's what people thought they were. New hybrids are rarely named... of course when some one like Fratleym comes up with something like the flush sonic, no one disputes it much...
And yes, if you wanna do it 12-12 then it'd be an around. But doing a bak 12-T1 is an around rev 0.5... -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 07:08:42QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jun 14 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Fresh, those are old hybrids that used to be named before the concept of hybrids was accepted. Those hybrids were named as if they were individual tricks because that's what people thought they were. New hybrids are rarely named... of course when some one like Fratleym comes up with something like the flush sonic, no one disputes it much...
And yes, if you wanna do it 12-12 then it'd be an around. But doing a bak 12-T1 is an around rev 0.5...
Actually, key3 made it.
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Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 07:25:35
whoops my bad, you're right
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Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 11:27:41
Common guys! What's your problem?
Since when can you part a hybrid from a new trick? Almost everything can be broken down into small pieces and called a hybrid, but that's just making breakdowns alot harder. Why should this not be considerd a new trick? Compare it to older tricks like Twisted Sonic or Deamons Sonic, they are certainly tricks and not hybrids, and they are named as tricks.
This IS a trick, tjugge came up with it (tho I gotta say I've been using it for a while
) and he should have every right to call it whatever he wants. Wrench sonic is a good name for it, way better than breaking it down into some waaay complicated hybrid with a system that hardly anyone outside UPSB has any intrest in learning. Who cares about naming standards? The creator should allways have the right to name it what he wants, if that is denied there's a big problem in todays standards.
Well done tjugge, creativity should be applauded, not criticized as you guys obviously do. -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 11:35:22QUOTE (Yiep @ Jun 14 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Common guys! What's your problem?
Since when can you part a hybrid from a new trick? Almost everything can be broken down into small pieces and called a hybrid, but that's just making breakdowns alot harder. Why should this not be considerd a new trick? Compare it to older tricks like Twisted Sonic or Deamons Sonic, they are certainly tricks and not hybrids, and they are named as tricks.
This IS a trick, tjugge came up with it (tho I gotta say I've been using it for a while ) and he should have every right to call it whatever he wants. Wrench sonic is a good name for it, way better than breaking it down into some waaay complicated hybrid with a system that hardly anyone outside UPSB has any intrest in learning. Who cares about naming standards? The creator should allways have the right to name it what he wants, if that is denied there's a big problem in todays standards.
Well done tjugge, creativity should be applauded, not criticized as you guys obviously do.
yes i think we should not criticise people who wants to leave their name on the pen spinning history.
everybody wants, like making a new trick, being the best, make the best mod etc. nice hybrid though -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 11:56:30
Though how can you determine who actually has created the trick, Yiep? :P As you said, you've been using it for a while, and I don't doubt others have too.
I agree with you though, stop these fascist naming actions. -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 12:09:33
I, and the others that may have used it, had our chance to publish it. Same goes with everything, inventions, medical breaktroughs etc. You may have been the first to do it, but you will not get any credit for it if you do not publish it.
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Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 13:09:51
Thanks for the support
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Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 13:13:59
nice trick dude,
it's fine if you already have a name for it, ppl can name tricks whatever they want, the only problem is whether or not others accept the naming. if you think it's called wrench sonic that's fine, but maybe others will only refer to it by its hybrid notation.
from what I see it looks like a combination of a sonic with a through-pass...
ps: many hybrids have unofficial names on top of their hybrid notation. same thing as flowers and animals with scientific name and real name. -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 14:33:23QUOTE (Yiep @ Jun 14 2008, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I, and the others that may have used it, had our chance to publish it. Same goes with everything, inventions, medical breaktroughs etc. You may have been the first to do it, but you will not get any credit for it if you do not publish it.
yeah but if you named every single hybrid, it would be endless... only more of the well known hybrids deserved to be named. -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 14:37:45QUOTE (StIcKyTaK @ Jun 14 2008, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah but if you named every single hybrid, it would be endless... only more of the well known hybrids deserved to be named.
Depends how much of a Hybrid or mini-combo the Hybrid in question is, in my opinion. "Well known", who decides that? f it's a lot different from what people usually do is a better reason. -
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 15:27:06
do whatever you want, name it if you want, if it becomes well-known the name will be used as informal name, otherwise too bad.
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Date: Mon, Jun 16 2008 18:42:59
Yeah okay, verry nice trick, seriously, If I steal it one time to put it in a combo I'l call this wrench sonic.
Continue inventing. It may be bad that it is not a real invention, but cool hybrids are always appreciated.
What you should do is search what is the base notion in you trick, than develop it a maximum. -
Date: Mon, Jun 16 2008 18:57:56QUOTE (Sfsr @ Jun 14 2008, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Depends how much of a Hybrid or mini-combo the Hybrid in question is, in my opinion. "Well known", who decides that? f it's a lot different from what people usually do is a better reason
well actually more of the useful hybrids are named, the ones that normally are more appealing or useful compared to others deserved to be named, Well Known was bad word choice from me. -
Date: Mon, Jun 16 2008 19:18:29
no... We should not call specifically this trick Wrench sonic. What we should do is to call this kind of linkages as the category of Wrenches. Like the category of fingerswitching, see?
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Date: Mon, Jun 16 2008 23:23:11QUOTE (StIcKyTaK @ Jun 16 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well actually more of the useful hybrids are named, the ones that normally are more appealing or useful compared to others deserved to be named, Well Known was bad word choice from me.
Not so much the more useful, exactly, but the oldest ones...they used to be thought of as tricks. -
Date: Tue, Jun 17 2008 02:17:01
Ahhhh, yeah, logic, in this times, there was far less hybrids, it is easy to understand that a new hybrid newly discovered get a name.
comment: the named hybrids, such like demon, devil's, angel's, fake doubles and co. has the fuction of showing what is a hybrid and stimulating the imiganation to reate other hybrids and stimulate creativity.