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Research Department Feedback / Release and Riser definitions article released

  1. sketching
    Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 20:00:01

    The Research Department has just released a small article on the wiki. You can view the article here: Release and Riser definitions. The article suggests criteria to help differentiate the two types of aerials when naming new tricks.

    Please give any comments/questions on the article in this thread.

  2. Aiyah
    Date: Wed, Jul 16 2008 17:27:09

    when someone says "to Air" like TA to Air, is that referring to a riser trick?

  3. Rorix
    Date: Wed, Jul 16 2008 21:59:08

    I believe 'Air' is just used when referring to this aerial by bonkura:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=80rk8nhTopk

    I've never seen it used elsewhere.

  4. Escapist1
    Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 02:49:51

    I'm guessing that "to air" is the same as a release.

  5. LMnet
    Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 16:37:06

    So, how i must breaking down TA to Air?

  6. Mats
    Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 16:46:25

    What is this whole 'air' business? I think it can all just be forgotten about. After reading the definitions in this article you can see that all air tricks are pretty much Release or Riser. Some air tricks still have names though, such as the Levitator and Thumbsnap.

    For Bonkura's TA > Air I think you can say ThumbAround ~ ThumbAround Release [p 1]

    Edit: That second one is a bit more complex to breakdown. It looks kinda like Extended Thumbaround > Fingerless Thumbaround ~ Thumbaround Release. It's really crazy!

  7. LMnet
    Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 18:31:33

    I think it's something like TA [p][s 1.0] ~ FL Neo-sonic rev release 1-12

  8. sketching
    Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 20:32:15

    bonkura's "air" thing looks like TA ~ FL IA Riser to me.

  9. Mats
    Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 22:19:00

    I don't think it goes around the index at any point though? Instead of finishing the TA under the index finger (catching it between the underneath of index and top of middle finger) you finish the TA on top of the index finger that then, instead of catching the pen just hits it up... So I don't really think this can be called an Indexaround?

  10. sketching
    Date: Thu, Jul 17 2008 22:58:50

    You can start an IA above the index finger, Indexaround T1-T1 is perfectly fine. Doing a different hand motion can give you a TA T2-T1 ~ FL IA T1-T1. With that in mid, TA ~ FL IA Riser makes sense to me, you just interrupt the pen's around motion before it really gets going around the finger.

  11. Shadowserpant
    Date: Fri, Jul 18 2008 00:36:39

    it doesnt fully go around, so... i think it's a release
    or, an extended TA riser
    idk, but uh for the second one, im pretty sure it's the exact same thing except ext. TA > IA > w/e u wanna call it

  12. sangara
    Date: Fri, Jul 18 2008 17:46:58

    As soon as I saw this I thought of TA to Air, but I'm not seeing the IA part he like 'bumps' it with his index...

  13. Mats
    Date: Fri, Jul 18 2008 17:56:42

    QUOTE (sangara @ Jul 18 2008, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    As soon as I saw this I thought of TA to Air, but I'm not seeing the IA part he like 'bumps' it with his index...


    Yeah that's why I thought it's more like TA ~ TA Release [p 1] cos at no point does it even start going around the index finger. It seems strange to have TA ~ FL IA when the FL IA would be FL IA [s 0.0]

  14. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Sat, Jul 19 2008 01:25:26

    QUOTE (Mats @ Jul 18 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yeah that's why I thought it's more like TA ~ TA Release [p 1] cos at no point does it even start going around the index finger. It seems strange to have TA ~ FL IA when the FL IA would be FL IA [s 0.0]


    I'd go with sketching. If you do just an FL IA Riser you'll notice that it uses the same hand motions as you do when you release the pen during the TA to air.

  15. Shadowserpant
    Date: Sat, Jul 19 2008 01:29:12

    was thinking, and i agree with sketching
    it's completely identical to an ext TA riser, just done vertically

  16. Stay&#39;n Alive
    Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 16:02:24

    TA air is TA to indextap.


    but the first trick of the second aerial Bonkura does in the vid is a Fake Double, fingerless TA than index tap, to throw it in the air.

    But Fake Double isn't formal, and extend TA isn't right.



    Hey by the way, if the pen is like hitted, like in BonKura's video, and not just "pushed", is it called a tap? I see "tap" for this kind of aerials often.

  17. sketching
    Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 18:36:02

    I've never seen tap used for an aerial before.

  18. Stay&#39;n Alive
    Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 22:34:12

    What I mean by tap is a notation usen in french board, it's not a half tap, but like, put a finger at the horizontal and hit the pen to throw it in the air.


    But btw, the thing that does BonKura, it's a release or a riser? It's not a riser beacause ther'es no spin part, but it don't look like a release.

  19. schlynn
    Date: Tue, Sep 30 2008 03:20:36

    2 types? Would the helicopter be a new type then? Its more like a pull not a push.

  20. alco_holic
    Date: Tue, Dec 9 2008 07:24:17

    QUOTE (sketching @ Jul 17 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    bonkura's "air" thing looks like TA ~ FL IA Riser to me.


    i have some question.

    Riser? why?

    i agree with you about "FL IA" part but...

    TA to Air that in first part of the bonkura's video doesn't has any "topspin".
    he just use his index finger to push the pen directly into air.
    so, why you call it "Riser"?

    sorry for my bad English. happy.gif