UPSB v3
Presentation / Music on Collaborations/Solo videos
Types
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Date: Tue, Jun 17 2008 16:31:12
I guess it just depends on what flows w/ spinning. For me, I like finding the urban type of music. most of the collaboration videos contain that bubble gum pop music. What do you guys prefer on collaborations to make the video, more appealing? Discuss.
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Date: Tue, Jun 17 2008 16:49:40
let me post a snippet of my work on Synchronized PS from the RD (it is not publicly released yet)...
Even if you're not doing synchPS, I believe most of this still applies.QUOTE (Zombo)Selecting a good song is vital; if you don't have an appriopriate song to work with, don't even think about doing synchPS in the first place. Here are some pointers which will help you select a good song. Notice that these apply to making a collab or a showcase with several combos to one song, but can also be taken to just making one synchPS combo on a short section of the song.
-Regular and distinctive sense of rhythm: The song should have a regular easy rhythm of a 3/4 or 4/4 meter. If you select a song with an irregular rhythm, it will be extremely hard to follow it. And if the song doesn't have a marked beat (i.e. a drum keeping track of the rhythm) it will also be hard for you to synchronize your music. Thus, a romantic solo piano piece might not be a good idea because there is no distinctive sense of rhythm (mostly due to rubato), making it extremely hard to follow.
Some may argue that pen spinning should be smooth and flowing, which seems conflicting to the idea of having to match it to a beat, which would make it jerky. The idea is that while this may hold true for regular combos, the same does not apply to synchPS. You really away to throw away most of your notions of a good combo when working in synchPS. It may prove difficult to certain spinners to get used to synchPS if they can't abandon everything they've learned so far in PS when doing musical choregraphies.
Therefore, anything with a strong beat such as dance is probably a good choice.
-Moderate to fast speed: A song that is too slow is not appropriate for spinning because pen spinning is dynamic. A slow song would just drag down the combos and make for a very boring collab. However, this does not mean you should only choose very fast song. Midtempo songs are also very good because they're easier to follow. If you choose songs that are too fast, spinners will have a tendency to "slur" their tricks together and the result is that the synchronization will not become apparent. If you choose something moderate, you could always spin twice faster and "mark" the tricks at the beats. All the tricks in between will be ornaments and have to be executed less noticeably.
Also, even if the beat itself is moderate, you can follow something else, such as the voice or instruments, which may be playing at a faster pace.
-Not too many "dead" moments: If the song has too many pauses or interludes, you just lose momentum. If it only happens once or twice, you could technically get by by adding stalls and editing to show screencaps or whatever (this is already commonly done). But if the song is "pop and stop", you can take it off your list right now.
-Short length: Ideally, you want make a collab which uses the whole song. Since combos are drastically shorter than song length, you want something not too long. Somewhere 3 minutes should be good, otherwise you will need many combos to fill up the time.
-Easy to split into short sections: It's one thing to have a good sized song, but if the song has no clearly defined sections and it just goes on for minutes, you still can't use it because that forces you to have a combo of several minutes, lest you "break" the song by changing combo. To make it coherent, find songs which can be splitted into sections easily, where each section is about 15-30 seconds long, so that you can make a combo of that length.
-Have memorable cues: a song is nice to spin with if it has occasional "events" that happen in the song which are easily expressible through spinning. This is hard to describe, but when you listen a song you can imagine how you would spin to it.
-Variety: if the song is only one beat for minutes, you may bore your audience very quickly. Use something that has different kind of beats, so that you can mix it up with different kinds of combos.
-Lot of different instrumentation: What's interesting in synchPS is that even though you may have two combos which follow the same beat (are located in the same section of the song), they may look totally different because they're following different instrument/voice. It will then be up to the viewer to figure out which instrument exactly the spinner is following. This makes the video interactive and asks the viewer to actively look for the synchronization. It adds depth.
-Have an intro and an outro of moderate length: for purely aesthetic reasons, it would be good if the song had a small intro of 20 seconds or so and an outro of similar length so that the collab can have an intro or outro. This is not very important because you can just insert another song for your intro/outro. But if you want a seamless transition between those and the spinning, use a song with intro/outro. -
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 20:38:24
JPOP and KPOP
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Date: Thu, Jun 19 2008 14:40:37
I prefer music that get the viewer hyped up. After all, it's pen spinning. It's out of the ordinary so you gotta make it as hyped as possible. And wuht better way than adding the correct music
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Date: Thu, Jun 19 2008 15:18:43
For sure, my one-year will be on Stay'n Alive, of the Bee Gees...
Na, seriously, I think that techno is a pretty safe choice, especially for Korean Syle, but it lacks originality.
Personally, after waching BonKura's solo vids, I took the reflex of closing the sound when listening to PSing collabs. -
Date: Sat, Jun 21 2008 11:27:20
Something there doesnt take the focus of the spinning. I often my self turn the sound off when I am watching ps videoes because too many videos has really annoying and fast music, with loud drumbeats and crazy fast paced soloes. And I will oppose what the previous poster said, I dont think techno is well fit for ps videoes, while it might match the visuals in speed, it is simply just too damn distractive. So while you might love listening to super speedy techno, evil death metal or flight of the bumblebee, you should not use it for ps videoes, but instead use something more neutral. But besides that, I think it is possible to find something suiting in almost any musical genre.
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Date: Sat, Jun 21 2008 23:19:53
Anything without lyrics is fine
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Date: Wed, Jun 25 2008 18:08:13
lyrics is ok. mabe hip hop?
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Date: Thu, Jun 26 2008 07:10:50QUOTE (Webo Splash @ Jun 19 2008, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I prefer music that get the viewer hyped up. After all, it's pen spinning. It's out of the ordinary so you gotta make it as hyped as possible. And wuht better way than adding the correct music
I`m going to have to agree with this. Techno/trance or anything upbeat is really nice, because it gets you worked up somewhat. It makes the pen spinning seem cooler, but that`s just me lol.
I prefer songs without lyrics though, or it could be jpop/kpop because I don`t speak japanese or korean. Techno/trance mysic is generally enjoyable for most people, while most songs with lyrics come with a preferance which means if I don`t like the music then I don`t like the video D:.