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Serious Discussion / Aikido
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Date: Sat, Jun 21 2008 23:41:38
edit: alright, taking Tialys' advice
What are your guys views on Aikido? I think that it is mostly impractical in its practices. I like Krav Maga, Sambo, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (along with others) much better -
Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 03:21:03
What was is originally? and what exactly is aikido? martial arts?
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 04:14:11
I looked into aikido a few years ago but couldn't find a local dodjo. It seems interesting, to be able to protect yourself with throws that won't hurt your opponent. I like the philosophy behind it, I haven't practiced martial arts before but if I was going to pick one I would choose aikido. It seems to be aiming for something higher then mortally wounding your opponent.
I am hardly knowledgeable on the topic but that's my two cents -
Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 05:16:47
Krav Maga is awsome.
So is judo, which should be included in the list. -
Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 08:52:40
My father practiced mainly ju-jitsu, however, he did quite a lot of akido too. He said the techniques are very useful for people who are smaller to fight larger opponents and also that techniques from akido can be incorperated with those from ju-jitsu, as for instance, he demonstrated to me once that if someone attacks you with a knife, in several ways, akido technique can be used to dissipate the initial attack and then ju-jitsu technique used to disarm and disable.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 17:06:33
combining martial arts is probably the best way to do anything, one of the problems i have with aikido is that it focuses too much on cathcing blows rather than redirecting
oh and @Cybrax I like judo alot too, i was just stating some of my favorites, not all of them -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 11:34:01QUOTE (IAmTheMrGuy @ Jun 22 2008, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>edit: alright, taking Tialys' advice
What are your guys views on Aikido? I think that it is mostly impractical in its practices. I like Krav Maga, Sambo, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (along with others) much better
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Anyway, I think Aikido is just cool. Impractical? Probably. A lot less then Sambo and Krav Maga that's pretty much for sure.
I'm also a personal fan of these sort of street combat martial arts. I don't have a problem with artistic martial arts (Kong Fu, Karate, Aikido, etc).
I do have a problem with ring martial arts(Boxing, Kick Boxing, MMA, Moai Thai) because mostly they just look like beating the crap out of each other, they teach no significant higher value or discipline like artistic ones and no practical uses in the street besides how to deliver the hardest punch. -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 13:16:34QUOTE (Teatime @ Jun 28 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I do have a problem with ring martial arts(Boxing, Kick Boxing, MMA, Moai Thai) because mostly they just look like beating the crap out of each other, they teach no significant higher value or discipline like artistic ones and no practical uses in the street besides how to deliver the hardest punch.
I'm going to have to disagree here, kickboxing and Moai Thai are most definately both very useful on the street. People I know who have studied these usually end fights swiftly with little or no harm to themselves. Boxing too, though to a lesser extent, is useful in street fighting.
Mixed martial arts is probably the most useful of all on the street, since you will be able to fight standing and grappling (which some street fights often end up going to) and also, since you should know locks and submissions, you should be able to disable your opponent easily.
So they may not be artistic, but no practical uses on the street? I have to completely disagree. -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 13:24:10QUOTE (Mats @ Jun 28 2008, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm going to have to disagree here, kickboxing and Moai Thai are most definately both very useful on the street. People I know who have studied these usually end fights swiftly with little or no harm to themselves. Boxing too, though to a lesser extent, is useful in street fighting.
Mixed martial arts is probably the most useful of all on the street, since you will be able to fight standing and grappling (which some street fights often end up going to) and also, since you should know locks and submissions, you should be able to disable your opponent easily.
So they may not be artistic, but no practical uses on the street? I have to completely disagree.
I agree, excpet that boxing is actually extremely useful on the street, you can punch extremely hard, with precision, and bob and weave very well. If i can find it there was a video where four guys attacked a boxer, and he beat them all up.
edit: oh and its muay thai
edit 2: I found the video
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Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 14:13:31QUOTE (IAmTheMrGuy @ Jun 28 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I agree, excpet that boxing is actually extremely useful on the street, you can punch extremely hard, with precision, and bob and weave very well. If i can find it there was a video where four guys attacked a boxer, and he beat them all up.
I've had a fight with a boxer on the street before and although I did eventually (several minutes long fight lol) lose I was pretty unimpressed. I would have stood no chance had he of been a kickboxer. You have to bear in mind that guy in the video is a professional boxer and that most people are not to that standard and that also that video is not really a proper fight. When four people come up against you in a proper fight situation they will not come on by one like that, believe me. -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 14:17:32QUOTE (Mats @ Jun 28 2008, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had a fight with a boxer on the street before and although I did eventually (several minutes long fight lol) lose I was pretty unimpressed. I would have stood no chance had he of been a kickboxer. You have to bear in mind that guy in the video is a professional boxer and that most people are not to that standard and that also that video is not really a proper fight. When four people come up against you in a proper fight situation they will not come on by one like that, believe me.
I know they won't but we're talking about street fighting, and being able to punch very well and bob and weave very well are very useful skills to have when fighting -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 14:18:53
I'll try to clear up: Obviously, a guy who knows these martial arts will have a significant advantage on the random person because he'll be used to attacking and he'll know where and how, but beyond that there's hardly and helpful techniques.
A guy with a knife would still have you standing like an idiot... -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 14:23:19
From my experience, the best defense in a fight is to never have one started. Because you never know if your opponent could pull out a weapon. Some martial arts styles (Krav Maga, Eskrima, and others) teach you to fight against an opponent with a weapon, it is better to never get in that predicament. So goes the old saying: In a knife fight, you'll always get cut.
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Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 14:26:33QUOTE (Teatime @ Jun 28 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'll try to clear up: Obviously, a guy who knows these martial arts will have a significant advantage on the random person because he'll be used to attacking and he'll know where and how, but beyond that there's hardly and helpful techniques.
A guy with a knife would still have you standing like an idiot...
Again I gots to disagree. I know my father used to get me to do various attacks on him when I was younger, including attacking as if I had a knife (not using a real knife though) and although I was young he was extremely swift in his defence of being attacked by a knife (he was mainly trained in ju-jitsu). I think an untrained knife fighter will almost always fall to someone who has trained to fight people with weapons.
I will agree, however, that best defence is to avoid the fight.
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Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 14:31:39QUOTE (Mats @ Jun 28 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Again I gots to disagree. I know my father used to get me to do various attacks on him when I was younger, including attacking as if I had a knife (not using a real knife though) and although I was young he was extremely swift in his defence of being attacked by a knife (he was mainly trained in ju-jitsu). I think an untrained knife fighter will almost always fall to someone who has trained to fight people with weapons.
I will agree, however, that best defence is to avoid the fight.
heres the thing though, if you fight a really untrained person, they are still able to get a (weak) punch or two on you right? And a knife is so short that in can be moved VERY quickly. So unless you put down your opponent quickly they might still get a cut or too on you, so yes getting away from a fight is a good thing
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Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 14:34:52QUOTE (Mats @ Jun 28 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Again I gots to disagree. I know my father used to get me to do various attacks on him when I was younger, including attacking as if I had a knife (not using a real knife though) and although I was young he was extremely swift in his defence of being attacked by a knife (he was mainly trained in ju-jitsu). I think an untrained knife fighter will almost always fall to someone who has trained to fight people with weapons.
I will agree, however, that best defence is to avoid the fight.
The fact you learned knife defense doesn't mean that all ring martial arts teach that stuff...
I definitely agree that learning knife defense helps, which is why I like Krav Maga, Sambo and the likes where that sort of stuff is practiced...
I practiced Krav Maga myself(after all, it's originated here) and we learned a LOT of both Knife defense and Gun defense and disarming, as well as the regular array of kicks, punches dodges moves etc etc etc... -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 15:57:03QUOTE (IAmTheMrGuy @ Jun 28 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>heres the thing though, if you fight a really untrained person, they are still able to get a (weak) punch or two on you right? And a knife is so short that in can be moved VERY quickly. So unless you put down your opponent quickly they might still get a cut or too on you, so yes getting away from a fight is a good thing
No argue in that.
Even though I've been training Karate for 10 years- I still don't want to get into a fight where I'll have to defend myself.
And about what most said about that only certain martial arts train you to defend yourself against a knife- that is true, but that doesn't mean you can't implement certain aspects of your own martial arts as knife defense.
In karate you do not have any special defenses against a knife, but some ordinary blocks can work against the knife too.
About Aikido- when I was in a training camp for becoming a karate instructor we had someone with us who was training in a Russian Krav Maga martial arts type which had applications from aikido, and to be honest- he was realy good!
I had a fight against him and my joints hurt like hell, in the midst of the fight he brought my punch to my head and myself to the floor. That was pretty amazing so I asked him to teach me and once I did- it wasn't that hard and I managed to do it on someone else in another fight.
I have no idea if this trick is originated from Aikido or from the Russian Krav Maga, but it does seem similar to Aikido. -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 22:23:13QUOTE (Thewave @ Jun 28 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No argue in that.
Even though I've been training Karate for 10 years- I still don't want to get into a fight where I'll have to defend myself.
And about what most said about that only certain martial arts train you to defend yourself against a knife- that is true, but that doesn't mean you can't implement certain aspects of your own martial arts as knife defense.
In karate you do not have any special defenses against a knife, but some ordinary blocks can work against the knife too.
About Aikido- when I was in a training camp for becoming a karate instructor we had someone with us who was training in a Russian Krav Maga martial arts type which had applications from aikido, and to be honest- he was realy good!
I had a fight against him and my joints hurt like hell, in the midst of the fight he brought my punch to my head and myself to the floor. That was pretty amazing so I asked him to teach me and once I did- it wasn't that hard and I managed to do it on someone else in another fight.
I have no idea if this trick is originated from Aikido or from the Russian Krav Maga, but it does seem similar to Aikido.
out of curiosity, what martial arts have you trained in besides karate? -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 22:40:36
I haven't actually trained in any other martial arts.
Taken lessons in Muai Tai, Krav maga, Jiu Jitsi, Kapuera, Kong Fu and the Russian Martial arts I mentioned, but not on a regular basis. -
Date: Thu, Jul 3 2008 19:08:27QUOTE (IAmTheMrGuy @ Jun 28 2008, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>From my experience, the best defense in a fight is to never have one started.
Except the point of martial arts is to teach you how to defend yourself in unavoidable conflicts. Those who do not use martial arts as a last resort are using it incorrectly.