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Serious Discussion / Propaganda
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 09:41:20
Is propaganda useful tool for any type of government?
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 13:56:10
It certainly is useful, but it may not be morally correct.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 14:25:48
Propaganda has always been used and will always be used as a tool of the country to do things the way they want them to be done and for the public to see things the way the government wants you to see them.
Whether it's good or bad only time will tell, and that's sometimes not entirely true.
Examples can be found throughout time, I'll refrain from including political and religious propaganda but they are the most used. -
Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 14:29:11
Indeed. Propaganda is actually useful for everything. Propaganda is used to attack government and religion and groups of people etc etc.
But its definitely morally wrong. -
Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 17:13:30
i would say that it is one of the most effective tools a government can have. Lets use an example. In the rise of the Bolsheviks in Russia, there were many protests after they had taken over moscow. What they did was put up posters that said that their riots had taken time away from supplying the soldiers at the front lines with food. The riots quickly stopped. Effective? Yes. Morally right? Not allways.
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Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 01:51:56
Propaganda would not exist if it was not a useful tool.
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Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 02:03:54
The nazis used it and they achieved victory the Russians and the Muslims use it and they achieve victory! ya i say its use full and it works = )
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Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 08:15:24QUOTE (toast @ Jun 23 2008, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Propaganda would not exist if it was not a useful tool.
All tools that are not useful still exist. I do not think that is very good argument, Toast. -
Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 15:09:15QUOTE (Fresh @ Jun 24 2008, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All tools that are not useful still exist. I do not think that is very good argument, Toast.
Care to elaborate?
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Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 17:07:27QUOTE (Fresh @ Jun 24 2008, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All tools that are not useful still exist. I do not think that is very good argument, Toast.
Tools need to have a use, or they aren't really tools any more, by definition. A tool without a use is no longer a tool by definition of a tool. No such thing as a useless tool, because then it would no longer be a tool. I think it would be hard to deny propaganda is a tool for governments.
I think it depends how propaganda is used, if it is restricting information to the public I think it is wrong, which it most often does, so yeah I think the majority of propaganda is wrong. If its showing a view point or pointing something out, and the government is distorting stuff, then it all right I guess. It would be up to the individual to be influenced by it or not -
Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 18:23:20
semantics then.
instead of asking is propaganda is an useful tool, ask is propaganda a tool?
this argument doesn't really answer the question. -
Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 18:33:18
it is all dictators use it for there benifet!
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Date: Tue, Jun 24 2008 19:20:58QUOTE (Zombo @ Jun 24 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>semantics then.
instead of asking is propaganda is an useful tool, ask is propaganda a tool?
this argument doesn't really answer the question.
The first paragraph was directed at Fresh when she said useless tools still exist which yes is semantics and is getting a little off topic, the second is my view on propaganda. -
Date: Wed, Jun 25 2008 04:29:36
there wouldnt be any reason for propaganda if it wasnt used for anything. thats like paying $500 for $5
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Date: Wed, Jun 25 2008 05:15:35
The OP is really a yes or no question
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Date: Wed, Jun 25 2008 08:25:47QUOTE (toast @ Jun 24 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Care to elaborate?
Sometimes people invent a tool, thinking that it will be useful, of course. However, it then turns out it is not the most useful of things. Since it has now been invented however, it now exists as a tool that is not useful.
-Enough of semantics-
Propanganda is used by all types of government and is perhaps their most useful tool. It allows them to control a large number of people without seeming to be forcing ideas upon them and without use of force of any kind. -
Date: Wed, Jun 25 2008 11:00:26QUOTE (Fresh @ Jun 25 2008, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sometimes people invent a tool, thinking that it will be useful, of course. However, it then turns out it is not the most useful of things. Since it has now been invented however, it now exists as a tool that is not useful.
Have to reply to this:
Thinking that a tool is useful and an actual useful tool are 2 completely different things.
Just for example- last week I was in a museum for warfare tools, alot of the things that were there were useful-yes, and some were also not so useful.
Now, I noticed also that there are incomplete tools and dis functioning tools that were decommissioned once they found out about the problem or found something better.
The point in this is that a tool that is useless is put away and is replaced with a better useful tool, and not always what you design will be the best, it almost always can be improved. -
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 21:55:54
How is propaganda NOT a useful tool for ANY kind of government? *necro*