UPSB v3

Advanced Tricks / Continuous Middlebackaround Reverse

or Continuous Devil's Shadow?

  1. Sfsr
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 19:21:23

    It can be both, I start out in the 23 slot here, but say if you start in 12 and just do Cont. Devil's Shadow, it would give the same effect. In this video it more begins as a Devil's Sonic instead of a direct Midbak Rev. Have people done this before? Have you ever thought about doing Devil's Shadow continuously?

    http://media.putfile.com/Cont-MidBack-Rev


    edit: And youtube link -> http://youtube.com/watch?v=mM6dZf3T6U8

  2. RandomNewb
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 19:27:06

    I know some people who can do that... Ask Kaoru to film a video for you. He does Devil's Demon's Sonic and then the Rev. Middlebak continuous tricks. Some Japanese can do it too. Go to JEB board or look at their collabs. Koreans do more of that with their index finger if you know... "Bust", or spreads or rev. bak continuous...

  3. Sfsr
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 19:37:24

    I don't really need another film, since that's me in the one I posted and I thus obviously can do it myself :P

    But who's Kaoru? And I'd greatly appreciate a link to a collab with this in it, since I'm not se keen at finding things like that. I'll give it a shot though, and update if I find anything interesting.

  4. Ceedgee
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 20:31:35

    If I'm not completely mistaken Fratleym did cont. midbaks 1.5 rev in one of his WT videos.

    Yeah, found it. Here's the video .

    Can't see your video since putfile sometimes lags for me >.< Feel like uploading it on youtube? Thanks.

  5. K4S
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 20:43:15

    Uh, so whats the proper naming for Sfsr's video then?

  6. sketching
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 21:02:23

    I can't see the video, but Continuous Devil's Around would be:
    Charge 23 > Middlearound 23-23 > Charge 23 > Middlearound 23-23 > etc...

    You could also perform it like Charge > Backaround Reverse > Charge Backaround Reverse > etc...

    Continuous Backaround Reverse would be just that: Continuous Backaround Reverse. By itself.


    @Sfsr: nothing special about Continuous Devil's Around, I just perform it as Charge > Middlearound instead of Twisted Sonic ~ Shadow.

    Edit: wait, I actually now perform Cont. Devil's Around more like Twisted Sonic ~ Shadow. tongue.gif Either way, not much to the combo.

  7. Element
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 21:25:44

    strat made this is up long time ago if anyone still remembers. mellow.gif
    http://z15.invisionfree.com/UCPSB/index.ph...c=6393&st=0

  8. sketching
    Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 21:34:06

    I also can't watch strat's video at work (grr) but Eso had posted a reply saying that it was:
    Devil's Around > Middlearound

  9. strat1227
    Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 01:28:44

    QUOTE (sketching @ Sep 17 2007, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I also can't watch strat's video at work (grr) but Eso had posted a reply saying that it was:
    Devil's Around > Middlearound


    eh, its not exactly that but it's close enough.


    and yea Sfsr thats basically what I did, only you did it one more time.. i can do it a buncha times now lol...

    its a pretty cool little hybrid, fairly origional...

  10. Eso
    Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 05:10:15

    Fine, it would be:

    Devil's Around 23-23 > FL MA > FL Pass Rev 23-12

    The reason why you think my breakdown is incorrect is because you break your combo apart in a separate point. You first demonstrated Devil's Around 23-23 > FL Pass Rev 23-12, but you thought that was just one trick. From there, you can see where we break it down differently.
    But I stand by my breakdown shown above. Devil's Around 23-23 > FL Pass Rev 23-12 is not named, nor is it bundled together as a single trick.

  11. sketching
    Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 05:49:02

    @Sfsr:

    Charge 23 [p][s 0.5] ~ Middlearound 23-123 [s 1.0] ~ Fingerless Middlearound 123-123 [s 1.0] ~ Fingerless Middlearound 123-123 [s 1.0][c]

    It looks like you push the pen when it is underneath the Middle finger and above the Index and Ring fingers, so I'd want to give it the 123 position. That's where the Fingerless Middlearounds start and end.

  12. LMnet
    Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 11:44:43

    QUOTE (sketching @ Sep 18 2007, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    @Sfsr:

    Charge 23 [p][s 0.5] ~ Middlearound 23-123 [s 1.0] ~ Fingerless Middlearound 123-123 [s 1.0] ~ Fingerless Middlearound 123-123 [s 1.0][c]

    It looks like you push the pen when it is underneath the Middle finger and above the Index and Ring fingers, so I'd want to give it the 123 position. That's where the Fingerless Middlearounds start and end.


    No MiddleAround but MiddleBackAround reverse i think

  13. Sfsr
    Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 18:28:27

    @ Sketching, I'm talking about Devil's Shadow, not Around. It's just that I started the combo as a Devil's Around, thus with a Tw Sonic from 23 instead of with a Shadow from 12. Oh, and is there really any more push after the first one has been made? I make the pen move all by hand-movement after that really..

    Anyways, IMO it would be..


    Twisted Sonic 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-23 ~ PassAround 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-23 ~ PassAround 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-23 ~ PassAround 23-123



    @ start1227, I can already do it 5-6 times after eachother now ^^

  14. sketching
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 00:04:21

    Since you are neither pushing nor catching the pen as it goes over the finger, you just have half of an around above the finger followed by half an around below the finger, which I would be inclined to call a Fingeraround. smile.gif

    If you started the hybrid off with a Shadow, then it would be Devil's Shadow 12-12 > Fingerless Middlearound 12-12 > Fingerless Middlearound 12-123.

    Since you started with the Twisted Sonic in the video, I would say that you started off with a Devil's Around, because that's what you did. tongue.gif

    QUOTE
    Twisted Sonic 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-23 ~ PassAround 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-23 ~ PassAround 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-23 ~ PassAround 23-123
    Twisted Sonic 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-23 = Devil's Around 23-23

    To be even safer, I would skip using the Devil's names all together and just list the individual trick pieces used.

    As for the pushes, of course there are pushes, they are fingerless pushes but still pushes. Read the Indexaround 2.0 Discussion thread to find out that going around a finger (in your case, Middle finger) is apparently an impossible task with just one push. laugh.gif

  15. nateiskewl
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 00:10:27

    QUOTE (sketching @ Sep 17 2007, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I also can't watch strat's video at work (grr) but Eso had posted a reply saying that it was:
    Devil's Around > Middlearound


    I think it's:

    Twisted Sonic 23-12 ~ Devils Around ~ MA

    Just keep the notation simple. No need for devils around[57867.23](5)4554. tongue.gif

  16. sketching
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 00:17:28

    I forgot about strats video.
    *goes back and actually watches strat's video...*


    He does Devil's Around 23-23 ~ Passaround 23-12 ~> Fingerless Middlearound 12-12

  17. nateiskewl
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 00:55:08

    Isn't a middle around already fingerless?

  18. sketching
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 00:57:07

    The usual Middlearound gets pushed by the Ring finger.

  19. strat1227
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:19:27

    QUOTE (sketching @ Sep 18 2007, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I forgot about strats video.
    *goes back and actually watches strat's video...*
    He does Devil's Around 23-23 ~ Passaround 23-12 ~> Fingerless Middlearound 12-12



    That's the best notation for it ive seen ... im gonna stick with that lol.

  20. Foofdude
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:31:04

    Wouldn't it just be Twisted Sonic 23-12 ~> Cont. MidBak Rev 12-12? Except with the last MidBak Rev being 12-23.

  21. strat1227
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:40:21

    no, the first Midbak Rev doesnt have a push... if you tried to notate it the way you're thinking it'd be:

    CODE
    Twisted sonic 23-12 ~ Midbak Rev 12-12 ~> Midbak Rev 12-12 > Charge .5

  22. sketching
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:41:55

    @Foofdude: I assume that you are going back to Sfsr's video, right?

    I don't see the pen touching the back of the hand, or even the base knuckle, during any of the arounds. I would call them Fingerless Middlearounds.

  23. nateiskewl
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 05:21:03

    QUOTE (sketching @ Sep 18 2007, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    The usual Middlearound gets pushed by the Ring finger.


    Sorry, I was thinking about MidBak. tongue.gif

  24. Sfsr
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 09:59:07

    Since the pen is tilted so much, it couldn't be MiddleAround really, should be MidBak Rev atleast. If what I did now should be broken down as arounds and not with what I wrote in my latest post, it should be Korean BackArounds. And about my Devil's Around comment, it was because you first wrote about what a Cont Devil's Around would be, Sketching, and I never actually wrote anything about continuous those smile.gif

    And if this can't be called what a Cont Devil's Shadow would be, thus the breakdown I wrote in my last post, then what can be called that? Nothing.

  25. sketching
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 17:46:02

    I view Korean Backaround as just being a horizontal around since we don't call other horizontal or vertical tricks by different names.

    Anyway, the combo would not be called anything special, it's just a combo.

    Continous Devil's Shadow would be:
    Shadow 12-23 ~ Passaround 23-12 > Charge 0.5 >
    Shadow 12-23 ~ Passaround 23-12 > Charge 0.5 >
    etc...

  26. Sfsr
    Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 17:48:05

    Anyways, youtube for Ceedgee -> http://youtube.com/watch?v=mM6dZf3T6U8