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Serious Discussion / Autism

A problem or simply different?

  1. Jaybles
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 11:35:45



    Note: I decided to place this topic here as I view this as a very serious topic and I wouldn't want to have flames occurring.

    I feel that this video presents a very different viewpoint from the conventional. She says that the actions in result from her autism is not actually behavioral disorders but an actual part of her native language. She feels that people should not over judge autistic people and cast them aside as "non-people". Her viewpoint is that when she cannot communicate in the 'normal' languages, people view her as weird, a non-person, non-sentient being. But, when people cannot communicate in her language, they see her as being confusing or random.

    This video gives an insight into an austistic person's life and I feel it has a very strong message. Could we be wrong?

    What do you guys think?

  2. Clyde Cazeñas
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 11:39:07

    I myself think we shouldn't criticize autistic people. Because autistic people have higher IQ than normal people, it's just that their EQ is low. Autistic people aren't weird. An example of an autistic person who isn't weird is a pen spinner here on UPSB. I won't tell who. And autistic people aren't weird, they're just like that, you can't do anything about it.

  3. Mats
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 12:12:54

    QUOTE (Clyde Cazeñas @ Jul 5 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I myself think we shouldn't criticize autistic people. Because autistic people have higher IQ than normal people, it's just that their EQ is low. Autistic people aren't weird. An example of an autistic person who isn't weird is a pen spinner here on UPSB. I won't tell who. And autistic people aren't weird, they're just like that, you can't do anything about it.


    First of all let's establish that IQ measurements measure nothing more than how good one is at IQ tests. Established? Good. Also, it's a myth that all autistic people will score highely on IQ tests.

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    She feels that people should not over judge autistic people and cast them aside as "non-people".


    That is true. You should accept people for who they are, so long as what they are doing is not to the detriment of others.

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    She says that the actions in result from her autism is not actually behavioral disorders but an actual part of her native language... But, when people cannot communicate in her language, they see her as being confusing or random.


    Of course if someone cannot communicate with you, they are going to be confusing, as none of their actions or thoughts are explained to you. Everything must be deduced by reasoning and that is not easy.

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    Could we be wrong?


    Could we be wrong about what?


  4. Clyde Cazeñas
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 12:13:50

    Hmmm...maybe they don't but that's what my friend told me biggrin.gif

  5. Jaybles
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 13:17:31

    Uhh i wasnt stating my opinion. I was gisting what was the video about. Im neutral. ><

  6. Zombo
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 13:37:39

    there is confusion with autism; there are in fact many form of autism and they vary greatly in their effect.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervasive_dev...mental_disorder

    some of the milder forms shouldn't be considered disabilities, but others do.

    the worst mistake is to treat all forms of autism the same way.

  7. Z0mbo
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 15:42:04

    Imo we shouldn'tthink of people with autism any different to any other person we meet.

  8. Gunblakes
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 15:44:09

    Why don't we just treat autism as a medical disorder? Albeit one that makes the victim different from societal norms... thats all.

  9. Jaybles
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 17:45:43

    Did you even watch the movie?

  10. sangara
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 18:16:19

    I feel that Autism is used as a blanket diagnosis for many different ways people act. The fact is that there is no real definition of Autism, because people "suffer" it in so many ways. I guess I'm neutral on the subject, I don't view them as "non-people" just different, and I have no hate for them at all. dunno.gif

  11. Element
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 18:27:47

    Is it true that some autistic people are born with higher abilities?
    eg: I saw this 8 year kid once on tv who was autistic, but he loved to draw buildings. It turned out his drawings were so articulate and detailed that no ordinary person could achieve, especially at his age.
    In my opinion, i think autistic people are special beings, who've we yet to understand.
    So for now, their considered people with dissabilites because they cant fit in society correctly.

  12. Jaybles
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 22:50:38

    Personally I believe that, they are simply unique. Not people with problems. Some of them are Savants.

  13. cecil
    Date: Tue, May 5 2009 00:31:58

    QUOTE (Jaybles @ Jul 5 2008, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Personally I believe that, they are simply unique. Not people with problems. Some of them are Savants.


    I have actually heard of people with autism having somewhat of a super power. For example i have heard that one child with autism was covering his ears because he could a train several miles away very clearly.

  14. Pandubear
    Date: Tue, May 5 2009 01:30:20

    Not all autistics are savants.

  15. k-ryder
    Date: Tue, May 5 2009 10:04:56

    i had 2 autistic (both aspergers syndrome) kids in my year at primary school
    my experiences with them were.... neutral....
    probably wont talk about people i dont know very well on the internet, so i wont, but we weren't exactly good friends, but we were friendly
    i dont worry about that stuff

    but an interesting insight into aspergers syndrome in the novel "a curious incident of a dog in the night time" by mark haddon
    anyone read that?

  16. Glamouraz
    Date: Tue, May 5 2009 13:09:46

    i read that. really cool book. Was my book for literature last year.

  17. Erirornal Kraione
    Date: Tue, May 5 2009 13:21:20

    It's a fun book, but doesn't really show how people with Asperger's Syndrome really are. That's the one problem with such books, once people read it, they have that image in their head, and believe that all people with Asperger's Syndrome are like that. At least, I've experienced that a lot in the Netherlands.

    I honestly believe that people with Autism [I'm more talking about Asperger's Syndrome here, though] are normal humans too. They are just impaired when it comes to certain social functions. My opinion is that 'normal' people should have patience with them, try to understand what their problems exactly are and try to help them, instead of labeling them as crazy or different.

  18. Dark Angel-REX
    Date: Wed, May 6 2009 14:08:15

    Autism. it's really debatable.


    But I think people are mistaken about something. Whenever we talk about "this is that, that is this", we always give some sort of definite definition and diagnosis to it. People say "you are mentally ill, but I am not".
    However, I believe EVERYONE has these disorders. It's just that we have the lighter more benign version, and the people called "autism" are the heavier ones.

  19. Glamouraz
    Date: Fri, May 8 2009 14:48:25

    mhmm..

    I just see them as normal people.. especially those with asperger's syndrome. i've heard of alot of stories of real life people with aspegers syndrome from people who've met them and i think they unique. I dont see them as bad or retarded (as with any other form of autism). I just think they have differing perspective on things. I think they're really cool.