UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Devil's Sonic
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Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:33:51
Hi, could someone give me the break down for devil's sonic pls. Thank you in advance
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Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:38:03
Devil's Sonic 23 = Twisted Sonic 23-12 ~ Shadow 12-12
Instead of catching the pen after the Pass Reverse potion of the Twisted Sonic, you want the to travel between the Index and Middle fingers, and finish the spin and catch of a Shadow Still 12. Once the pen goes through the 12 slot, you should bring the Index and Middle fingers together, this will make it easier for the pen to perform the Shadow portion. -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:40:31
that wasn't really worth a thread IMo, either ask it in the shoutbox/chat/here
oh well, i suppoe this is now the "Official Devil's Sonic" discussion thread. -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:42:25
kk thx guys
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Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:44:57
@ Zombo. We need to build up UPSB's knowledge base somehow, then we won't have to rely so much on external links. -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 02:48:05
I thought this could help cause it sure did make me learning this trick 1000x easier. It was created by Eso!
Devil Sonic and Around
That should help you with any issues you have learning this trick.
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Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 03:23:48QUOTE (SSWind @ Sep 18 2007, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I thought this could help cause it sure did make me learning this trick 1000x easier. It was created by Eso!
Devil Sonic and Around
That should help you with any issues you have learning this trick.
So in essence, Devil's Sonic is Twisted Sonic 23-12 -> Shadow Still 12-12, and Devil's Around is Twisted Sonic 23-12 -> Shadow 12-23, but without the extra rotation (if you did the two tricks separately)? -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 04:44:02
ehh it just differs by the catch.
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Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 16:53:43
@Aflac: the catch for the Twisted Sonic and the push for the Shadow in both hybrids are missing.
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2007 07:57:47
wow the eso's tutorial are realy nice
continu like this 
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Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 15:07:46
So a Devil's Around 23 is a Devil's Sonic 23-23?
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Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 23:00:33
No.
The paths of the pen are different for both hybrids (they are not tricks). Devil's Around goes around a finger (can be done as a Middlearound instead of Shadow), Devil's Sonic does not.
Devil's Around and Devil's Sonic are 2 different hybrids involving different tricks that just look similar overall.
Devil's Around
Devil's Sonic
Don't confuse yourself by trying to make them anymore related. You really didn't need to dig up an 8-month old thread for this question when you could have asked in the shoutbox. -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 01:03:24
I'm having a ton of trouble with the devil's sonic. I just can't do it, period.
Once or twice I've been able to get to a shadow from the position after the partial
twisted sonic, but that is only after pausing and swinging my hand backwards
than forward again to get enough momentum. If I don't to this, and try to do it
fluidly, it just gets caught on my middle finger. Please help me, I have no idea what
to do and I've already seen every tutorial out there. -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 01:17:39
This is one thing that I find huge about this trick: is your hand sweaty and grippy?
I find if my hand is like that, I can't let the pen slip out and it gets stuck at my middle finger. Same with shadows where the pen needs to "slip" from your grip. -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 01:22:21QUOTE (Missle_Z @ Sep 8 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is one thing that I find huge about this trick: is your hand sweaty and grippy?
I find if my hand is like that, I can't let the pen slip out and it gets stuck at my middle finger. Same with shadows where the pen needs to "slip" from your grip.
Thanks, but I don't think this is the problem.
My hand isn't sweaty and grippy at all, and I can do shadows fine.
Even when my other hand is moving the pen in slow motion, I can't figure
out the motion at all. What am I doing wrong?
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Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 01:25:31
If you can, post a video and I could probably identify what the problem is...
I'm not that great at figuring out what the problem is when it's written and the fact that I never had the problem doesn't help the situation
Sorry. -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 02:03:16
I think I might be able to help but I suck at explaining things. When your ending the twisted sonic and starting the shadow part, try to bend your index finger down a little so the pen can't get stuck between them during the pass/interruption (but make sure your index isn't anywhere close to being perpendicular with your middle finger.). As if you were doing a palm-sideways twisted sonic, and you passed it to the back of the pointer finger, the pen would just fall off. Make sure that when you are starting the shadow, your index finger is low enough that the pen can slide on top of it.
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Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 02:23:58
Alright, thanks, I'll practice for a few hours with this and see if I get any better.
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Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 03:00:50
thread merged with existing thread, please check the trick thread index for a listing of the older threads and search for the newer threads.
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Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 04:11:32QUOTE (sketching @ Sep 8 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thread merged with existing thread, please check the trick thread index for a listing of the older threads and search for the newer threads.
Alright, I'm sorry. I looked there but that link was broken
so I assumed it had been deleted and I posted this.
On a different note, I'm still completely unable to get the pen to
move past that middle finger. To a raise it high enough for the pen
to slip through or lower it so the pen goes over? -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 04:29:09
It could also depend on where you are holding the pen. By the time you are passing into the shadow it would be easier if the center of gravity is below where you are holding the pen so the momentum swings around. Does this help? And yea it would probably be esier to see the problem if you made a video..
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Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 04:52:12QUOTE (TRoc @ Sep 9 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It could also depend on where you are holding the pen. By the time you are passing into the shadow it would be easier if the center of gravity is below where you are holding the pen so the momentum swings around. Does this help? And yea it would probably be esier to see the problem if you made a video..
I agree with you
Its would be easier if you hold about 1/4 of the pen ( nearly the tip of the pen ) , then do Twisted sonic ~ Shadow , try it -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 12:19:34
I find devil. angel sonics to be verye asy.. it jsut takes awhile and a lot of pain to do em xD
COntort your figners and make them work, theylll get sore from moving out of the path of the pens swing but after a couple days its not that hard
=D!!!!! -
Date: Tue, Sep 9 2008 14:06:18
Hey everybody thanks for your help.
After a chat session with Shadowserpant, I
discovered that I was actually doing a neobak
and not a shadow which was my problem. Now
I understand how to do the trick and after practice
I'll get it. -
Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 14:43:02
Right, I have been following Eso's vid on interrupting the Twisted Sonic 23-12 with Shadow but I always end up doing Twisted Sonic Bust.
Any advice?
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Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 14:52:57
Before doing the Devil's Sonic, make sure that you're holding the pen near the opposite side than you do for the Twisted Sonic Bust. Hope that helps.
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Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 14:55:37
I used to and still like this trick a lot..Learnt it right after learning TW Sonic..even without shadow..
@Scandiacus: I dunno exactly how to explain..u gotta like squeeze the pen to the top of the hand..not exactly squeeze but like like bend the first phalanyx of the index finger..and the 2nd a lil bit while interrupting the TW Sonic...and let it spin as long as you can (if you want
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I can do Devil's Sonic 6.0!! W00T!!! -
Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 15:21:39QUOTE (Outsmash @ Oct 17 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I used to and still like this trick a lot..Learnt it right after learning TW Sonic..even without shadow..
@Scandiacus: I dunno exactly how to explain..u gotta like squeeze the pen to the top of the hand..not exactly squeeze but like like bend the first phalanyx of the index finger..and the 2nd a lil bit while interrupting the TW Sonic...and let it spin as long as you can (if you want)
I can do Devil's Sonic 6.0!! W00T!!!
So the movement is received from the interruption and not from the usual "charge-like motion" to execute Shadow 12-whatever?
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Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 15:22:52QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Oct 17 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So the movement is received from the interruption and not from the usual "charge-like motion" to execute Shadow 12-whatever?
yup... -
Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 15:32:14
But how do I do that? The pen either 1) flies off the the left (rightie here) from the momentum of the twisted sonic bust, 2) end up doing a twisted sonic bust or 3) gets stuck in 12 or 123
Would appreciate if a clearer video is shown. -
Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 15:55:19QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Oct 17 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But how do I do that? The pen either 1) flies off the the left (rightie here) from the momentum of the twisted sonic bust, 2) end up doing a twisted sonic bust or 3) gets stuck in 12 or 123
Would appreciate if a clearer video is shown.
I think i know where youre goin wrong...The positions for holding the twisted sonic bust and devils sonic are totally opposite.
RED: Devil's Shadow
GREEN: Twisted Sonic Bust. -
Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 18:48:34
I fully agree with Outsmash. I had same problem some time ago, but I understood it, and actually Devil's Sonic is one of my favourites tricks
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Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 19:54:08
hold the pen as if you were to be doing a middle around.
also, something that helped me was that when you are about to finish the twisted sonic and are about to do the shadow, just close ur fingers together. this will help so the pen will be forced to do a shadow. -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 14:54:22
@Santa: Exactly same thing I said
@Pieniek: Than you.. -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 15:09:03
im confused about something. are we supposed to do a shadow right after the tw sonic? when the pen is just below the middle finger? or are we supposed to catch it then do a shadow?
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Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 15:10:59
You don't catch it, just go strait from tw sonic to shadow
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Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 15:32:39
during the pass of the twist sonic you start the shadow.
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Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 16:47:53
Start doing a Twisted Sonic. Once its time to pass, bend the firts two phalynx of your index finger slightly and let the pen go on to the top (back) of your hand. Do not bring it down.
This video has a good explanation. It's not a tutorial. -
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 19:06:56
@Jiinn: after about a 3/4 Charge rotation, the pen goes through the 12 slot . Bring your index and middle finger together after the pen goes through the slot so that it will spin on top of the two fingers. It only needs to spin for 0.5 a rotation before you catch the pen just like a Shadow.
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Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 01:31:18
ok i understand now. but it keeps slipping off >_>
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Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 07:14:09
Try to hold onto the pen a little longer as it goes through the 12 slot to try and direct the pen upwards, instead of off to the side. You might try doing Charge > Middlearound instead (Devil's Around). Once you can toss the pen all the way around the middle finger, it might be easier to ease up and direct the pen to spin on top of the index and middle fingers.
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Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 08:30:10
I think I'm doing it wrong but the motion looks normal : I do the twisted sonic 23-12 then a shadow, but the pen spins on the 2nd segment of my index finger(like an index spin I guess) during the shadow still portion of the trick rather than the back of my hand before landing in the 1-2 slot. Would that still be considered a legit Devil's Sonic?
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Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 10:41:06QUOTE (Jublyx @ Nov 3 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think I'm doing it wrong but the motion looks normal : I do the twisted sonic 23-12 then a shadow, but the pen spins on the 2nd segment of my index finger(like an index spin I guess) during the shadow still portion of the trick rather than the back of my hand before landing in the 1-2 slot. Would that still be considered a legit Devil's Sonic?
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I dont exactly understand what your saying.. Index Spin??!
If you are doing a Twisted Sonic 23-12 then a Shadow, then it's wrong because your supposed to make 'em both combined into one trick. So basically while your doing a Twisted Sonic 23-12 (during the pass from 23-12), you kinda "squeeze" you index finger towards the middle finger so that the pen goes to the top of your hand and both, you index and middle are supposed to be next to each other. after it does 0.5 revolution on the back of your hand you bring it down like a shadow still.
Formal notations:
Twisted Sonic Normal 23-12[p][s 0.5] ~ Shadow Still Normal 12-12[s 0.5][c]
The "~" in between notates a hybrid. -
Date: Tue, Nov 4 2008 04:16:47QUOTE (Outsmash @ Nov 3 2008, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>.
I dont exactly understand what your saying.. Index Spin??!
If you are doing a Twisted Sonic 23-12 then a Shadow, then it's wrong because your supposed to make 'em both combined into one trick. So basically while your doing a Twisted Sonic 23-12 (during the pass from 23-12), you kinda "squeeze" you index finger towards the middle finger so that the pen goes to the top of your hand and both, you index and middle are supposed to be next to each other. after it does 0.5 revolution on the back of your hand you bring it down like a shadow still.
Formal notations:
Twisted Sonic Normal 23-12[p][s 0.5] ~ Shadow Still Normal 12-12[s 0.5][c]
The "~" in between notates a hybrid.
Sorry, yeah I meant the hybrid trick itself...I just looked at what I was doing before and it was as follows (I don't know formal notations, etc) :
Twisted Sonic 23-12 and before the finish of it, the pen spins on the top of my index finger after the pass of the T.S. and I just lift my index so the pen spins into the 12 slot
. The pen is balanced on my index finger...
But thanks for the breakdown of the official version; I'll go try it.
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Date: Tue, Nov 4 2008 06:37:36
It sounds like your doing it right anyway.
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Date: Wed, Nov 5 2008 02:53:19QUOTE (Sidewinder @ Nov 3 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It sounds like your doing it right anyway.
That must mean I stink at describing things..Lol, thanks. I also checked the video of Kam's Devil's Sonic Combo and it was the same as mine 
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Date: Wed, Nov 5 2008 03:22:50
i like the visual apeal of the Devil's Sonic. its just somthing about it
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Date: Wed, Nov 5 2008 09:13:06
After a week, I still end up doing Twisted Sonic Bust
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Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 21:40:05
this is a good trick it can be a way into spider spin
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Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 23:34:09QUOTE (T-roy @ Nov 19 2008, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>this is a good trick it can be a way into spider spin
Yeah, it's perfect for that. Le0n made a move called Devil's Conversion which was basically a Devil's sonic followed by a spider spin with fingers 1 and 4 stretched out. -
Date: Fri, Jun 19 2009 03:04:56
>.< meh i have the exact same problem as shadowclad, which is when the pen is horizontaly between 1,2, and 3... it's like stuck there...
dunno wut to do cept try holding the pen differently -
Date: Sun, Jun 21 2009 19:19:01
if you keep ending up doing twisted sonic bust, try,when you're making the transition between the twisted sonic and the shadow, not letting it touch your index finger
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Date: Sun, Jun 21 2009 19:38:08
I don't see how a TS leads to a Shadow. Most of the pen's weight is on the wrong side of the hand, shadow needs more above the hand while I have most of it under the hand, setting up for a bust. Pardon if I missed anything in the thread.