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Date: Mon, Aug 4 2008 06:53:50
Guide to Trading
Hi , UPSB members ,
This is a guide I wrote for people who are new to trading whether they are old timers in UPSB or Newcomers…
Below is a brief explanation of how to trade pens [or whatever related to penspinning like wristband stickers pen cases etc]
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Trading <<
Trading is the action of giving something to someone while having something else from the other guy
Example : Boy has 2 apples , Girl has 2 oranges
Boy wants 1 orange
Girl want 1 apple
So they trade, Boy gives apple and receive orange , and Girl gives orange and get apple.
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Why trade?
People trade so as to have something that is not available in your country while giving something to someone else who cannot buy it. Just like the Boy and Girl Example
Q.“ I am afraid of international shipping and stuffâ€
Well you do not have to be afraid since trading DOES NOT involve the use of money, its just materialistic. It is just like you send and receive greeting cards
Advantages of trading :
1) DOES NOT involve use of money neither in notes nor coins nor cheques nor credit cards , so its pretty safe believe me..
2) Easy way of getting pens you want that are not available in your country
3) Can also be a good mean to get rid of pens you have that you do not really need
4) Not expensive to ship pens [ like 3-5$ depending on sending options and country I will explain later]
5) Building up your reputation in white list and penspinning world .. having a good whitelist reputation will enable you to trade more .
6) Being trusted by other traders for future trades.
7) Make friends o.O
8) No begging and involvement from parents, even 13-14year old guys trade.
Disadvantages of trading:
1) If you are hard are taking decisions/greedy/slow negotiations and hard to negotiate people then this can lower your reputation.
2) Package do not reach you] or trader[or damaged or lost ]/, happens very rarely [its true] maybe one time in 500trades but if you follow this guide it may not happen [am going to explain later]
3) You can get scammed in trades, or that you have to be careful when picking your partners to make sure it's safe.
If you are fine with trading advantages and disadvantages continue reading…
Here are the steps for trading
STEP 1 : Spotting some guy with pens you want.
STEP 2 : Offering, negotiating ,and confirming trade
STEP 3 : Shipping
STEP 4 : Receiving Pens from trader , and leave positive feedback OR negative feedback if the trade didn't work and try to resolve the problem.
Now I will explain each STEPS.
STEP 1 : Spotting some guy with pens you want.
Ok so you want to trade, go to the Trading and Buying section of UPSB
[ http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showforum=16 ] , and see the different “trade threads†[ a thread with information of what stuff the trader HAS and what he EXPECTS, ] so it will be like two lists generally written in trade threads
i) I HAVE / CAN GET /CAN MAKE [means stuff he has or can buy or mod for you]
ii) I WANT [ what the trader wants ]
Sometimes you will notice that the trader wrote “ OFFER “, this means you can offer him pens or stuff that you think will be useful to him.
If you are interested in trading with the guy you might also spot his whitelist records [Feedback] so as to have an information about his previous trades, how well he did etc…
Another important point is to spot which country he is from, in case you want to do a BIG trade so when weighting your pens it may cost you more money if you are at the other side of the planet.
Note : If the trader does not have any feedback , that DOES NOT mean he is a bad trader so get that clear ïŠ.But it also mean you should be careful because the guy might be scammer. IF you have good reputation yourself, try to convince this guy to send the pens first.
Alternate Method :
Create your own trade thread [ make it nice and clean, don’t put high quality and large picture of every pen you have, or tons of rainbow colors underlined big sized and bold characters ] and wait for interested people to PM you, so be sure to login and check your Inbox regularly or Provide your msn address in the thread [not really recommended , since some traders are really annoying[nudges] and on MSN you tend to drift away from trade talks].
Also do note that there is a thread about Pen Trading Partners , I recommend you to see the thread at http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=230
STEP 2 : Offering, negotiating , and confirming trade
So here you are , and in communication with an interested trader . Keep your cool and please do not be extremely greedy, exigent , and difficult , be nice to whom you are talking to.
Thus, offer what you have and ask what you want, if the trader is asking for pictures or vice versa don’t hesitate to show him what you got .
If both of you are unsure about the ration for example how much R.S.V.P is worth an Hybrid Gel Grip , you can ask more experienced people on shout box or compare prices on Jetpens.com or Penwish.com and get the trader to agree to it.
Or there is a thread called "Trade Value / Scammer" Discussion if you want to confirm the trade ratio and/or check if the guy is a scammer at http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=7957
Pens or stuff you have SHOULD be in good condition , like not broken, scratched excessively or dirty. If it’s the case like a one or two scratches inform the trader about it.
Now that you and the trader have agreed on the pens to be sent and received, ask for address of the trader and note it down.
Confirm the trade and decide who should send first [not recommended ] if your trader has much +’s,
But the best is to agree on sending the pens on the same day … and show proof .[not necessary but if you are extremely afraid of being scammed go for it ] but I do it for every trade
Proof for the trade can be :
Showing the envelope with stamps and name of the addressee.
Showing receipt **[received from post-office] after having sent the pens.
STEP 3 : Shipping
Shipping is nothing difficult as you are thinking. Its really really really simple.
Packaging.
1st of all
1 )It is recommended that you have a bubble-wrap envelope. If not see 2)
That is a simple envelope but bubble wrap on this inside, this is used to protect the pens or stuff that you have inside while handling and shipping.[like shock-resistance or something]
Remember , the size of the envelope depends on how many pens / stuff you are going to send, however the pens when put inside the envelope should not be too loose or too tight.
Example : this one is good
Here is a picture of a bubble wrap envelope, notice the glue strap
Note : do not put your pens inside before going to the post office , because they have to see what you are sending.
Updated:
If you are sending packed pens to your trader [example 1 rsvp colors pack] ask your trader if you can unpack and send the pens or if he wants to have it as it is,, since the pack of the pens will be quite bulky and would not fit in regular envelopes sometimes
2) If you cannot buy bubble-wrap envelope its not a problem,
Use a bubble-wrap and wrap it around your pen like shown below, and but it in an envelope.
Sending :
After that, the next thing you got to do is to walk in a post office
1) Ask the guy at the counter [ for me it’s a nice ,charming and smiling lady xD]
2) Tell him you want to send something
3) If stamps are needed put it on
4) write TO : addressee on the envelope’s front [and at the back write From: Your address]
Note that many options are available for sending
These include
1) Registration [ its for more safety] ( I Recommend it )
2) Advice of Delivery [ when the trader receives your pen, you will be notified by the post] ( I Recommend that too ) *
3) Priority Shipping << ( Its faster ) not necessary believe me
4) Ask
Then there’s a card with some details that has to be glued at the back ,
1st its : contents of items : I write “Pens†simply, I received pens and saw some people write “Cards†, but its not really an issue as long as you do not write things like “ bomb / drug / weapons†etc
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2nd is the net weight [weight of Packaging + Pens], the lady will weight and glue the card, and hand you a receipt **, that you will afterwards show to your trader if he/she asked for it .
Note : Additional options like Advice of Delivery / Registration will cost more [like 1$ here ] so its no big deal and is really worth it.
Note also that the way of posting varies from country to country, in case its not the same do not panic, the steps are very similar and ask for help at the counter he/she won’t bite you .
And yeah that’s it. Now you just have to wait sometime ïŠ.
STEP 4 : Receiving Pens from trader , and leave positive feedback OR negative feedback if the trade didn't work and try to resolve the problem.
If your trader has sent the pens/stuff , you will get it in approximately 2-5weeks. It depends on the distance between his country and yours.
So , be patient and do not panic, you will get it sooner or later [make sure you got a large mailbox , /jk]
When you receive the pens , pm your trader about it, tell him you received it and you are going to leave feedback for him.
Depending on the conditions you are satisfied with the pen , go and leave a +ve feedback for the trader.
If you are not, tell him about it , and leave a –ve feedback if he deserves it [like Dirty Ripped Poor Quality etc]
If you do not know how to leave a feedback
Read this ïƒ http://www.upsb.info/feedback_tutorial/ Thx Zombo
STEP 5 : Mod-ing , Spinning , Enjoying .
Ugh yeah xD
Hope this guide help you guys out . Have fun , and good trade ïŠ.
PS: if you find something missing, don’t flame me , pm me about it, I’ll edit and add it.
Example of the different cards:
This is for Mauritius one, it doesn’t matter if its different for your country .
* A picture of Advice of Receipt Card
** A picture of a receipt
***A picture of a content card.
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Date: Mon, Aug 4 2008 07:55:47
this is helpful ! but i know how to trade before reading this lol.
anyways good job. -
Date: Mon, Aug 4 2008 14:31:34
Very helpful thanks.
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Date: Tue, Aug 5 2008 07:01:52
Nice guide. Very thorough.
iMatt Approved.
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Date: Fri, Aug 8 2008 08:32:15
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Date: Tue, Aug 12 2008 01:36:43QUOTENote : do not put your pens inside before going to the post office , because they have to see what you are sending.
Not true.
Anyways...I swear these content cards seriously can piss you off if you have to fill out like 9 of them every week... -
Date: Tue, Aug 12 2008 07:36:50
What exactly is Registration and Advice of Delivery?
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Date: Tue, Aug 12 2008 18:26:50QUOTE (Missle_Z @ Aug 12 2008, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What exactly is Registration and Advice of Delivery?
registration is another term for "tracking"
advice of delivery means the post office notifies you when the pens have arrived. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 07:02:35
I also traded few times, but this guide is very helpfull.
Very nice and good job -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 07:12:51
Awesome tutorial!
Was very very helpful. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 17:16:21
am glad u like it
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 03:55:51
a very helpful tutorial for those beginner traders
maybe put in a little bit about sending envelopes? like when someone is buying something? cause some people don't know how to send letters and stuff -.-'' -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 04:14:41
mm..how about sending money? like when you're buying a pen from someone. is that even allowed? or do ppl usually just use paypal
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 04:17:28
hmm..perhaps a guide to using paypal too? or maybe that deserves another topic....
i forgot about paypal xDD since i've never used it -.-'' -
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 17:49:51QUOTE (-JC- @ Aug 24 2008, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmm..perhaps a guide to using paypal too? or maybe that deserves another topic....
i forgot about paypal xDD since i've never used it -.-''
that idk cause i never used it
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 18:14:24
Paypal Guide
1. Go to www.paypal.com
2. Click Sign Up.
3. Enter your information.
4. Once you have an account, you will either need to receive money first from someone else or register a credit card before you can send money to another person. Registering the credit card takes a couple days; they make a small charge to your card, you need to call for the credit card statement and there's a little number beside the charge paypal made, ask the person on the phone for that number. Then login to your paypal account and enter the number. Now you can send money with that credit card. They also refund the small amount you got charged (like 2 USD).
5. If somebody pays you on paypal, it goes into your virtual account and you can use it to pay other people. There is also an option of hooking up a bank account so you can deposit your funds to your real-life bank account.
6. There is an option to send payment; to do so, enter the receiver's email address that they used when they signed up with paypal. It'll take you through a series of steps, ask if you're sure you want to send payment... Then it sends them the money.
7. I *think* but am not sure, if you leave money in your virtual account too long without touching it paypal might leech a little, so read the fine print. Or just move your money around often enough.
8. I'm not responsible for anything that goes wrong on paypal as a result of following this. If you don't trust me, use google.
That's all people should need to know I think... hope it's useful for someone. -
Date: Tue, Aug 26 2008 05:52:21
does any1 know where ic an find shipping rates from and to India (other countries).
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Date: Tue, Aug 26 2008 15:26:03QUOTE (Outsmash @ Aug 26 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>does any1 know where ic an find shipping rates from and to India (other countries).
the nearest post office? -
Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 15:32:34QUOTE (Anascrash04 @ Aug 26 2008, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the nearest post office?
well..i'm lazy and i do want to know how much it costs to a lot of countries. and how much it costs from other countries to India which may not be available in the post office.. -
Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 15:36:38QUOTE (Outsmash @ Aug 27 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well..i'm lazy and i do want to know how much it costs to a lot of countries. and how much it costs from other countries to India which may not be available in the post office..
beleive me no trade bigger than 10 pens can exceed 3$ -
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 15:12:03QUOTE (Anascrash04 @ Aug 27 2008, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>beleive me no trade bigger than 10 pens can exceed 3$
Money? -
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 15:19:28QUOTE (Outsmash @ Sep 15 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Money?
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Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 10:15:25QUOTE (Anascrash04 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>-__- shipping cost
No i meant: if i send money through letter/envelope how much will it cost to ship cuz I've heard(not sure) people say sending a letter is cheaper than package. -
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 19:14:44QUOTE (Outsmash @ Sep 16 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No i meant: if i send money through letter/envelope how much will it cost to ship cuz I've heard(not sure) people say sending a letter is cheaper than package.
check at the post office
prices vary from country so no one will know how much it costs in your country -
Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 07:34:47
Helpful guide. thumbs up.
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Date: Fri, Oct 17 2008 10:50:21
thx
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Date: Thu, Nov 6 2008 00:27:52
Hey, I'm new to trading here, and also new to shipping.
So, let me confirm, do you write the "To" address and "From" address BEFORE you take it to the post office?
And also, if you need stamps to be put on the package, does the post office do that for you? Or do you put them on yourself?
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Date: Tue, Nov 18 2008 11:04:36QUOTE (FrozenIce @ Nov 6 2008, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey, I'm new to trading here, and also new to shipping.
So, let me confirm, do you write the "To" address and "From" address BEFORE you take it to the post office?
And also, if you need stamps to be put on the package, does the post office do that for you? Or do you put them on yourself?
Thanks!
i write the adresses at home
the post office puts the stamps -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 12:43:06
What happens if the postman comes and no ones at home to receive the package?
Cause over here if it cant fit into your mailbox, they bring it to your doorstep and ring the doorbell and ask someone inside to collect it.
But what if no one's around? -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 19:07:58QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Nov 28 2008, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What happens if the postman comes and no ones at home to receive the package?
Cause over here if it cant fit into your mailbox, they bring it to your doorstep and ring the doorbell and ask someone inside to collect it.
But what if no one's around?
Well, for us in the U.S., they just leave the package on our porch if it doesn't fit in the mailbox. When they are required to ring the doorbell and hand the package to us personally, it's usually because it requires a signature, it's valuable, or something along those lines.
If we aren't home to receive the package, they leave a slip of paper stating that they tried to deliver the package and the reason why. Then, they list when they will try again to deliver it(usually in 2-3 more days). If they try three times and they can't deliver it, then we have to go to the post office and get the package there ourselves.
But it's rare that we have to do this; only when we have something valuable being sent to us. -
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 03:46:24
Yes, This was very helpful, thank you.
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Date: Sat, Jan 17 2009 01:28:53QUOTE (Anascrash04 @ Aug 4 2008, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No begging and involvement from parents, even 13-14year old guys tradethats not true cause dont your parents still have to drive you to the store. lol you dont know my parents they rarely even let me do that
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 21:52:13
so i have a one small question
i'm just about to trade and i need to ship my pens
so when i go to the post office.
i need
envelope(bubbles rapped) and pens?
or
do i need to bring a stamp myself or do they sell them in the post office?
and
does the shippment cost only depend on weight? or is there a basic price i have to pay and if it gets heavier i have to pay more
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does anyone know how much it cost to send pens to KOREA from WA, USA?? -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 21:59:01QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 20 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so i have a one small question
i'm just about to trade and i need to ship my pens
so when i go to the post office.
i need
envelope(bubbles rapped) and pens?
or
do i need to bring a stamp myself or do they sell them in the post office?
and
does the shippment cost only depend on weight? or is there a basic price i have to pay and if it gets heavier i have to pay more
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does anyone know how much it cost to send pens to KOREA from WA, USA??
You pay for postage at the post office, you can also buy packaging stuff there to like bubble wrap if you don't have any, there is a basic price and it goes up in increments i.e it only cost more if you go above a certain weight -
Date: Wed, Feb 11 2009 22:32:36
this topic is a little old already but whatever >_>
Question: Do I have to go to the post office to mail a letter-sized envelope overseas? Can I just put it in my mailbox and raise the flag like with domestic letters??
THX in advance! -
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 20:17:15
question: how long would trade from England to America take? (usually?)
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Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 20:42:18QUOTE (Pen Islandâ„¢ @ Mar 13 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>question: how long would trade from England to America take? (usually?)
It depends on how efficient your country is with mailing. Countries like Germany and Japan are very efficient and it takes about 6 days, other countries could take 2 weeks. -
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 20:49:58
Lol one more Q,
Can i collect the pens in the post office instead of arriving at my house? Its because i dont want my parents finding out i've been trading with other people
Thanks in Advance. -
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 21:25:50QUOTE (Pen Islandâ„¢ @ Mar 14 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lol one more Q,
Can i collect the pens in the post office instead of arriving at my house? Its because i dont want my parents finding out i've been trading with other people
Thanks in Advance.
I don't know how they do it in England, but here in the USA, that's not possible. You can make arrangements to have all your mail to be put on hold at the post office, but not just one piece of mail.
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Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 22:48:24
very nice tutorial for trading it might even help me in the future
BTW. above the pic of the wrapped pencil mod it says : BUT it in the envelope just wanted to say that -
Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 02:29:30QUOTE (Pen Islandâ„¢ @ Mar 14 2009, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lol one more Q,
Can i collect the pens in the post office instead of arriving at my house? Its because i dont want my parents finding out i've been trading with other people
Thanks in Advance.
lol i have pritty much the same prob when i get things online.
as far as i know u cant hav it delivered to the post office. if some1 needs to sign for it and know1ns in and/or it dont fit in ur letter box, theyl normally put a slip through ur letter box tellin u to pik it up at the post office coz no1 was in.
iv also seen mailmen leav it with a neighbour but i think that just with big stuff like furniture tha aint too valuble, plus they leav a note or get them to sighn.
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Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 15:15:14
Thanx a lot, I am just starting to trade
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Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 04:40:31
If I'm sending money to someone in another country, would I need to go to the post office and send it there, or can I just put the letter in the outgoing box?
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Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 17:29:58QUOTE (Ever @ Apr 6 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If I'm sending money to someone in another country, would I need to go to the post office and send it there, or can I just put the letter in the outgoing box?
You can just put it in your outgoing mail box. Make sure that the money is concealed so the post office people don't steal it. -
Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 17:52:15QUOTE (K2 @ Apr 8 2009, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You can just put it in your outgoing mail box. Make sure that the money is concealed so the post office people don't steal it.
btw, what tricks should i do to concealed the money? -
Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 17:54:21QUOTE (PenMaster @ Apr 7 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>btw, what tricks should i do to concealed the money?
I fold a piece of paper into 3rds, write my name and their name on the paper. Put the money inside and tape the corners. I put it in the envelope, lick it and put some tape on it.
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 11:43:18
would i be able to change my currency(pound to usd) in the post office?
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Date: Sun, May 17 2009 23:06:55
can i just drop my pens in the mail box or would i have to go inside th post office to mail them
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Date: Thu, May 21 2009 13:45:20
for national trades you can drop it if you know the postage fee
for international trades you need to go to the post office -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 09:40:48
Um what happens when you trade someone, and their parcel should have taken 5-7 days to arrive and it hasnt?? Can it possibly take a bit longer, say 2 weeks?n That is, Japan to England. im sure my trader isnt a scammer...
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Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 18:37:46
hey guys im new to trading, and ive never traded before. i was just wondering, do you HAVE to go to the post office(US)? because the nearest post office i know of is out of the question.. i was just wondering is there another way to ship packages?
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Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 18:46:32
to be the cheapest yes you have to goto post office or you need online account that will allow them to pick up.
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Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 00:00:28QUOTE (Penwish @ Nov 24 2009, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>to be the cheapest yes you have to goto post office or you need online account that will allow them to pick up.
how old do you have to be(if you know)?
oh and has anyone ever sent pens inside of an envelope? cause i found out that pens can fit inside of a long envelope, so i was just wondering will it be shipped? -
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 00:35:14QUOTE (Ice Clear @ Nov 24 2009, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how old do you have to be(if you know)?
oh and has anyone ever sent pens inside of an envelope? cause i found out that pens can fit inside of a long envelope, so i was just wondering will it be shipped?
Old enough to be able to write your name + address and the recipient's.
Use cushioned envelopes...it's the standard. Don't use letter envelopes (envelopes without bubble wrap) though. -
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 00:55:27QUOTE (PenMaster @ Apr 7 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>btw, what tricks should i do to concealed the money?
I just use graph paper AND i use:
Pink/skyblue Colortwins
Pink/skyblue HGG's
and
G2 1.0's
to draw diagonals all over the graph paper, then fold that over the money.
another method i use:
Use newspaper ads, wrap that over the money, and stick it in the envelope.
another:
Write a fake-ass letter and conceeal it in that. -
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 07:08:16QUOTE (FrozenIce @ Nov 24 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Old enough to be able to write your name + address and the recipient's.
Use cushioned envelopes...it's the standard. Don't use letter envelopes (envelopes without bubble wrap) though.
i dont think you know what i meant. i meant how old do you have to be to get an account for the mail man to pick up your package? oh and uh how do you send your packages, at the post office or at the mailbox(where you get your mail)? -
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 08:54:33QUOTE (Ice Clear @ Nov 24 2009, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i dont think you know what i meant. i meant how old do you have to be to get an account for the mail man to pick up your package? oh and uh how do you send your packages, at the post office or at the mailbox(where you get your mail)?
You mean for the USPS Click 'n Ship online thing? All you need is a Paypal account and/or a valid credit card.
You can send packages at the post office or leave them at your mailbox, although if you're sending international mail, you have to go to the post office.