UPSB v3
Hand Care / Music and pen spinning
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 03:16:32
if you play flute, recorder, piano or something like those, you are good in pen spinning:
Flute,recorder help you move your fingers faster .........Piano help the space between 2 fingers larger ( a bit )
Enjoy music ( iam not lucky at all: iam in voice class
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 06:14:00
you can never trust that... some people could be bad at combos and linking tricks together... that's what i think the hardest part about pen spinning is..
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 06:45:45QUOTEif you play flute, recorder, piano or something like those, you are good in pen spinning:
playing a instrument may help you from pen spinning because of the finger flexibility. but its it may help you. just because your good at piano recorder etc doesn't mean your going to be good at pen spinning. i'm pretty sure you can't do something like bakfall for playing pinao for 20 years. -
Date: Tue, Apr 29 2008 06:57:01
u learn it faster and easier
but some people exist that dont play music but still are awesome at spinning
practise makes perfect
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 03:05:49
i play guitar and it took me like 2 minutes to get reverse finger pass but regular took me like well im still getting it down its harder for some reason ><
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 03:36:32
I've played violin for nine years, I don't know if it's helped penspinning or not because I'm right handed, but everyone's like, "Geez, you've got crazy fingers". X-D
Maybe penspinning actually helps build dexterity that's good for different types of bow strokes, such as collé and spiccato or something? I haven't noticed an improvement in my bowhand technique, but I haven't been spinning too long, so who knows.
Also, I think the same techniques exist when learning something new, in virtually everything, although I think knowing how to practice well with music will definitely help in penspinning. Braking things down into smaller parts is all it is, like when learning a new combo, you can't try to do the whole thing at once, you have to maybe practice one trick, then the other, then those two together, then repeat on two other tricks, and then put those four together.
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 10:37:26
Musical instruments might help finger dexterity and build finger strength to a certain extent, but PS requires skill and patience to master.
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 11:02:18
yea of cos. thanks for the compliment x)
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 12:22:34QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Apr 30 2008, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Musical instruments might help finger dexterity and build finger strength to a certain extentQUOTE (iNoob @ Apr 30 2008, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea of cos. thanks for the compliment x)
Only the first part
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 19:23:52
Well, I play an Electric guitar, and wel.... it's kinda hard to say if it's really helpful, but I guess it does help with finger dexterity... well, It isn't harmful (hopefully, lol) and it's fun, so why not? ^^
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Date: Fri, May 2 2008 11:41:06
I play the guitar too, but my fret hand is my left hand(kinda duh ._.), so I guess it doesnt really affect PSing alot. But i realised I could bend my pinky without bending the rest of the fingers on my left hand, but cant do that on my right hand. Maybe guitar helped or something.
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Date: Fri, May 2 2008 12:24:30
i play violin, but somehow my bow hand is super flexible o.o
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Date: Fri, May 2 2008 22:02:02QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Apr 30 2008, 05:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but PS requires skill and patience to master.
Whoah there, are you saying that PS takes MORE skill than playing an instrument? I mean, maybe not something like guitar, learn three cords, you can play 1000 songs, but, something with no frets, perhaps? -
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 17:49:25
I play the french horn. Does that help? o_O?
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Date: Sat, May 3 2008 22:23:41QUOTE (Craeos @ May 2 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Whoah there, are you saying that PS takes MORE skill than playing an instrument? I mean, maybe not something like guitar, learn three cords, you can play 1000 songs, but, something with no frets, perhaps?
No absolutely not. PSing DOES take time, practice and hard work to master. also are you suggesting that playing something with no frets is harder than playing something with frets 0.o? Because I've played a fret less guitar and it wasn't all that different... a few notes here and there but otherwise i have no clue what you are saying. -
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 23:44:38QUOTE (sangara @ May 3 2008, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No absolutely not. PSing DOES take time, practice and hard work to master. also are you suggesting that playing something with no frets is harder than playing something with frets 0.o? Because I've played a fret less guitar and it wasn't all that different... a few notes here and there but otherwise i have no clue what you are saying.
Well, playing a fret-less guitar after learning with frets is obviously not much different. However, learning guitar without frets would be much harder, because you'd have to figure out where to put all your fingers to get the correct in-tune notes. It's easy to play something without frets after having frets. That's why beginner string players have "finger tapes", or colored tape placed on certain notes. Once the finger tapes are taken off, by then the beginner will have learned where to put their fingers.
Learning to play without frets is harder, is my point.
Back on topic, I agree that PSing does take time and hard work. -
Date: Sun, May 4 2008 02:29:51
I have no musical talent and i still manage to decently spin a pen.
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Date: Sun, May 4 2008 04:50:30
listening to music and spinning pens at the same time goes well go me
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Date: Sun, May 4 2008 05:07:16QUOTE (Craeos @ May 2 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Whoah there, are you saying that PS takes MORE skill than playing an instrument? I mean, maybe not something like guitar, learn three cords, you can play 1000 songs, but, something with no frets, perhaps?
Why don't you quote the whole thing? And anyway, is there such a thing as a fret-less guitar? So it would be something like a violin? And when i said PS requires skill and patience to learn, I meant that for me it was relatively harder to pick up PS-ing then playing the guitar. -
Date: Mon, May 5 2008 02:05:59QUOTE (Gunblakes @ May 3 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why don't you quote the whole thing? And anyway, is there such a thing as a fret-less guitar? So it would be something like a violin? And when i said PS requires skill and patience to learn, I meant that for me it was relatively harder to pick up PS-ing then playing the guitar.
yes there is such a thing. I played one at my local music store. Just take your guitar and then imagine all the frets are gone. It's actually a very nice way to play just have to go by ear -
Date: Mon, May 5 2008 02:30:37
I played Thai xylophone for six years. I am trained to keep my fingers still.
But I'm quite decent at pen spinning. -
Date: Sat, May 17 2008 13:13:12
Piano for me. Not sure if one really helps the other, since I've just started PS.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 19:29:17
hmm, ive played, piano, clarinet, trumpet, still play violin and guitar. im really bad at all so...ehh
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Date: Mon, May 19 2008 19:44:10
I think pen spinning and playing musical instruments help each other. In my opinion, playing keyboard intsruments helps build dexterity overall, making it a good starting instrument. For fingerboard instruments (guitar, violin, etc), I think these help with flexibility and stamina for your fretting hand. I'm an electric guitarist and I play keyboard a little bit, so I can't comment much on other instruments, sorry. I've noticed some really good guitarists are also accomplished pianists, and one bad-ass guitarist said that playing keyboards actually improves his guitar playing. It's the same in my case.
I run a few keyboard scales as a warmup for pen-spinning. I also find that I have more control and strength in my right hand since I started doing more intense pen spinning (I do most of my PS with my right). But I have to say that the muscles that are 'worked up in focus' in PS are different from those in playing piano and guitar. My right forearm gets tired when I do the charge continuously for quite some time. I'm quite surprised by this since I'm so used to doing rapid alternate picking with my right and I could do keyboard scales with my right at moderate speeds. I would definitely recommend learning piano to PSers who want to have more dexterity, and I would recommend PS to instrumentalists as well. I'm thinking of using a metronome in order to get more smoothness out of some tricks, like the finger pass and the triangle pass. I haven't tried it yet though. -
Date: Tue, May 20 2008 01:49:47
I have zero musical abilities and I'm not that bad at PS myself
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Date: Sat, Sep 20 2008 22:05:01
well... i'm forced to play piano and i have 1 diploma from ABRSM and going for my second one this year...
if you're like me then you know pen spinning has a rhythm... and you can keep track of your spinning style...
unless your epic fail like me... =) -
Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 00:19:23
I play guitar and can basicly play anything with strings. I'm learning piano.
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Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 03:14:45
they arent always related
like psers dont have good finger independence unless
they practice it -
Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 19:37:00
I play both piano and bass. My slap bass style is a little loosy, so I had a hard time learning the Thumbaround, where you have to keep your thumb still. Infinity was easy though, I've always learned to play light
So it's both an advantage and a disadvantage.
As for finger strenght, my left hand's build up somewhat, but I spin with my right, so that's no help. -
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 07:13:05
Well Its pretty doubtful....
When u play recorder. u may be an excellent player..
but u excel in slow beat songs...your fingers prolly wouldnt move THAT fast. -
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 10:40:13
im playing flute orf 4 years and fingerboarding 1 year and i think its helping because i learned TA per 2 days and i saw people who learned it per 2 weeks so I see the differentse. (im new in pen spinning)
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Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 18:27:03
I play guitar and im right handed
this kinda helped me learn tricks faster with my left hand -
Date: Wed, Nov 26 2008 19:19:18
I play the Sax but idk if that helps with Psing
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Date: Wed, Nov 26 2008 21:59:39
I PS with my left hand and play guitar right handed. When I first taught myself all the basic chords I found it pretty easy to play at first. I think it helped my finger flexibility a little, but not much else, and definitely not my finger strength.
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Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 05:14:11
i play all three and im good at them... but i cant get that awesome look that like bonkura or someone gets when dey do fingerpass ..... like they lik stretch their hand out
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Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 08:21:07QUOTE (Craeos @ Apr 30 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've played violin for nine years, I don't know if it's helped penspinning or not because I'm right handed, but everyone's like, "Geez, you've got crazy fingers". X-D
Maybe penspinning actually helps build dexterity that's good for different types of bow strokes, such as collé and spiccato or something? I haven't noticed an improvement in my bowhand technique, but I haven't been spinning too long, so who knows.
i play violin as well, for about 7 years now (for comparison, only about 3 months ps)
i haven't noticed an improvement in my bow hold, may its because i've been playing it a long time now, maybe i'm just cocky...
being right handed, my fingerboard work hasn't really improved/increased flexibility in my LH psing
actually, it feels more normal when i move my fingers on my LH than my RH.... -
Date: Thu, Dec 11 2008 00:56:29QUOTE (k-ryder @ Dec 10 2008, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i play violin as well, for about 7 years now (for comparison, only about 3 months ps)
i haven't noticed an improvement in my bow hold, may its because i've been playing it a long time now, maybe i'm just cocky...
being right handed, my fingerboard work hasn't really improved/increased flexibility in my LH psing
actually, it feels more normal when i move my fingers on my LH than my RH....
I think it helps. I got better in violin though I think.
My spiccato is a lot better. I have better control.
although I have been spinning longer (10 months).
But I think my finger flexibility, especially in pinky and ring fingers, is better on my left because of the violin
When I try to spread my fingers out as far as I can, my left hand can do it better
I kind of wish I was left handed... maybe it would have helped out with those pinky tricks... -
Date: Thu, Dec 11 2008 02:18:05
Violin makes it harder to spin with left hand for me
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 03:10:30
I think playing most musical instrument as long as it requires quite a bit of movement of the fingers should help with PS-ing because of the working of the fingers more. thats just my opinion though
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Date: Tue, Mar 3 2009 12:37:39
hmm.. i've been playing the guitar before i knew pen spinning... i was having a hard time at plucking esp. playing acoustic music before.. but when i started pen spinning and tried to do those plucking.. i became better at it!!
so i may agree with pen spinning can help you play musical instruments easier.. o___o